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question about Oxygen
Aug 7^th, 2010 at 7:22am

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Got my first delivery of oxygen yesterday. I noticed in the oxygen info thread it said that men with facial hair should breath directly from the tube. is this always true? because I have a light mustache and beard. I can get a pretty good seal by pressing the mask to my face hard and then moving one side away a little to exhale is this good or should I be breathing right from the tube?. I tried using it last night and while it did lessen the dance i had to do eith Puta Madre(whet I have affectionatly taken to calling the pain) it did no stop completely.

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Bob P CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Shut up Bob! Posts: 4573 Clio,California Gender:	Re: question about Oxygen Reply #1 - Aug 7^th, 2010 at 7:33am I have a mustache and beard, never had any problem using a mask. I do the same as you, hold it to my face to inhale and tilt it away to exhale.
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joedell71 CH.com Newbie Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 17	Re: question about Oxygen Reply #2 - Aug 7^th, 2010 at 7:40am Thanks I will keep doing this. I was just wondering if the seal had to be absolutely air tight? but if you are getting results this way I'll continue on. Thanks Joe
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Re: question about Oxygen
Reply #3 - Aug 7^th, 2010 at 9:39am

As with anything else, trial and error rules! If you're not getting complete relief, max out the flow rate and try hyper ventilating. Try the mouth piece vs. the mask and see if there is a difference in your abort times.

If you haven't read any of Batch's work with arterial PH levels.....I can't duplicate them here as they're a whisker complex....but it comes down to altering your PH to make you less succeptible to attacks. 02 stopped working for me for a bit this last cycle, I went on the PH diet and in les then 48 hours it started working again.

Consists of taking magnesium, zinc, calcium citrate with vitamin D, and washing them down with a glass of lemonade. I used store bought Batch uses fresh squeezed. I did it 2X a day, got me thru a high cycle, might be worth a shot.

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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: question about Oxygen Reply #4 - Aug 7^th, 2010 at 11:19am Use a mouthpiece if the mask seal is a concern. That's what I do. There's no hair on your lips, is there?
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Guiseppi CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline San Diego to Florida 05-16-2011 Posts: 12063 SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA USA Gender:	Re: question about Oxygen Reply #5 - Aug 7^th, 2010 at 11:30am Brew wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 11:19am: Use a mouthpiece if the mask seal is a concern. That's what I do. There's no hair on your lips, is there? Mom told me if I didn't stop I'd grow hair on my knuckles.....lips were never mentioned! Joe
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joedell71 CH.com Newbie Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 17	Re: question about Oxygen Reply #6 - Aug 7^th, 2010 at 3:18pm Brew wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 11:19am: Use a mouthpiece if the mask seal is a concern. That's what I do. There's no hair on your lips, is there? Yes there is actually I'm 1/4 wolfman on my moms side
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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: question about Oxygen Reply #8 - Aug 7^th, 2010 at 4:10pm And if you buy an O₂ptimask (at the ch.com store, link to the left), it comes with a mouthpiece!
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Re: question about Oxygen
Reply #9 - Aug 7^th, 2010 at 9:57pm

Breathing thru just the tube without a bag attached will give you little O2. The difference between drinking from a straw and drinking from the glass.

I hope your mask has a bag on it, this is what we need for good CH aborts. If not you need to get a proper NON-rebreather with a bag. Also with a good mask setup there's no need to lift it to exhale.

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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: question about Oxygen Reply #10 - Aug 7^th, 2010 at 11:04pm Skyhawk5 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 9:57pm: Also with a good mask setup there's no need to lift it to exhale. But one thing I've noticed is that the mask/mouthpiece/valves need cleaning much less often if you simply exhale into the air instead of through the mask. And they seem to last longer that way.
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Re: question about Oxygen
Reply #11 - Aug 8^th, 2010 at 12:33am

Brew wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 11:04pm:

Skyhawk5 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 9:57pm:

Also with a good mask setup there's no need to lift it to exhale.

But one thing I've noticed is that the mask/mouthpiece/valves need cleaning much less often if you simply exhale into the air instead of through the mask. And they seem to last longer that way.

makes sense. if you exhale into the air your not pushing the moisture from your breath back thru the valves. the reclaimer bag will still fill up. and it doesnt start to stink.

even when im driving i can hold the mouthpiece in my teeth and exhale around it. i cant stand having a mask strapped to my face during an attack

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Bob P CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Shut up Bob! Posts: 4573 Clio,California Gender:	Re: question about Oxygen Reply #12 - Aug 8^th, 2010 at 8:09am I should add that I also squeeze the bag while I inhale. This insures a positive pressure inside the mask.
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Re: question about Oxygen
Reply #13 - Aug 8^th, 2010 at 7:47pm

Joe,

You got lots of good comments on techniques, but I didn't hear what flow rate your regulator is capable of delivering. 15 liters/minute is the absolute minimum if you start real early before the pain starts and you catch it prior to pain level 4 on the 10-point headache pain scale. The average abort times for 15 liters/minute are up around 20 minutes, 15 if you start early. Any later or higher pain levels than that and you're in for some heavy sledding.

An oxygen flow rate of 25 liters/minute is the minimum that supports hyperventilation for much faster aborts at an average of 8 to 9 minutes. You can pick up one of these on the Internet for $25.

If you can get your hands on a 0-60 liter/minute regulator, they run $140 to $190 depending on the model, and the abort times drop even more.

And yes, these higher flow rates are perfectly safe. I've over 3000 hours flying Navy fighters and all of it was spent breathing 100$ oxygen at flow rates well over 40 liters/minute during High-G force maneuvering. Navy and Marine Corps pilots have been sucking down 100% oxygen while flying tactical fixed wing aircraft for over 70 years from takeoff to landing on missions lasting over 2 hours with no ill effects. In fact, it's mandatory even today and these folks are flying $35 Million to $55 Million dollar aircraft

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Re: question about Oxygen
Reply #16 - Aug 9^th, 2010 at 3:45pm

headbanger45 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2010 at 3:40pm:

One more question to Batch - I have an oxygen bottle for cutting torch. Is the oxygen at the welders shop a breathable grade??

Just about anyone here can handle this one (Batch, take a breather): Yes. It's the very same stuff. Only difference between welder's O2 and med. grade O2 is the process by which the tanks are inspected.

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Re: question about Oxygen
Reply #17 - Aug 9^th, 2010 at 9:34pm

Brew wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 11:04pm:

Skyhawk5 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 9:57pm:

Also with a good mask setup there's no need to lift it to exhale.

But one thing I've noticed is that the mask/mouthpiece/valves need cleaning much less often if you simply exhale into the air instead of through the mask. And they seem to last longer that way.

Very true. But during big hits for me I just keep the mask on. But now you've got me thinking, I need to try to lift to exhale.

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Re: question about Oxygen
Reply #18 - Aug 9^th, 2010 at 9:47pm

Skyhawk5 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2010 at 9:34pm:

But one thing I've noticed is that the mask/mouthpiece/valves need cleaning much less often if you simply exhale into the air instead of through the mask. And they seem to last longer that way.Very true. But during big hits for me I just keep the mask on. But now you've got me thinking, I need to try to lift to exhale.

Don

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