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Reply #25 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 9:32am
 
A terrible story I am sorry.

I spent 2 years getting the government to handle my health care and no matter what people think, I hate having to do it but it pays everything no matter what or where I go. Some doctors don't like Medicare however. Living in New York State, the land of taxes, Medicaid even pays my Medicare, which I think is weird but then that's classic abuse of the system.

The medical profession loves this direct pay system no end though. I fight all the time with them about unnecessary appointments. There is no reason I need to see a dermatologist more than once a year for a minor problem I have and my neurologist doesn't like that I won't see him 4 times a year.

I'm old and told him that I've had seizures for 51 years and will let him know if something changes....this is how we did it 40 years ago but now doctors use system as a cash cow. Come to think of it a neurologist in 1974 told me that as far as clusters were concerned, I need not make appointments concerning it at all unless something changed or a new drug became available. Try that one today. I tell them that just because I have Medicaid/Medicare doesn't mean they has to use it. You'd think I was from the moon.

I see him twice a year so he can blackmail me into writing a prescription. I know a helluva lot of people use it for hangnails at the ER and it is terribly abused. However, for me government care is as good as Svenn's. It would be nice if we all had the system available here. It would also be nice if I didn't have need for something like it.

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Reply #26 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 9:58am
 
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This should tell you everything you need to know about what life will be like when they handle ALL of it.

We'll start dropping like snowflakes.
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Reply #27 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 10:33am
 
That's the way it is because it's that way now.

One has to be on disability or something to get it. With universal pay, no one would have to wait. It's illegal here to be turned away in an ER anyway. You'll probably get a bill but you won't be dead. Disability for epileptics can take time. It's not a very "visible" thing.

I don't see a lot of people dropping dead on Yong St. in Toronto.

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Reply #28 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 11:21am
 
Whatever you've got to tell yourself, my friend.
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Reply #29 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 1:07pm
 
Works on both sides:

"Everybody's entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts."

That said, here, unlike what's developed in politics, when we pull back our own hands, it isn't a bloody stump.

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Reply #30 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 3:02pm
 
For those who didn't get to view the link above, it is a clip of Ms. Velma Hart — middle class, a wife and the mother of two, a veteran, and an African-American Obama supporter. She posed the following question to President Obama at a CNBC town hall gathering on Monday.

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Quite frankly, I'm exhausted – I'm exhausted of defending you, defending your administration, defending the mantle of change that I voted for, and deeply disappointed with where we are right now. I have been told that I voted for a man who said [he] was going to change things in a meaningful way for the middle class. I'm one of those people and I'm waiting, sir. I'm waiting. I don't feel it yet. And I thought while it wouldn't be in great measure, I'd feel it in some small measure. I have two children in private school and the financial recession has taken an enormous toll on my family. My husband and I have joked for years that we thought we were well beyond the hot dogs and beans era of our lives, but, quite frankly, it's starting to knock on our door and ring true that that might be where we're headed again, and, quite frankly, Mr. President, I need you to answer this honestly. Is this my new reality?
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Reply #31 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 3:43pm
 
Brew wrote on Sep 22nd, 2010 at 3:02pm:
For those who didn't get to view the link above, it is a clip of Ms. Velma Hart — middle class, a wife and the mother of two, a veteran, and an African-American Obama supporter. She posed the following question to President Obama at a CNBC town hall gathering on Monday.

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Quite frankly, I'm exhausted – I'm exhausted of defending you, defending your administration, defending the mantle of change that I voted for, and deeply disappointed with where we are right now. I have been told that I voted for a man who said [he] was going to change things in a meaningful way for the middle class. I'm one of those people and I'm waiting, sir. I'm waiting. I don't feel it yet. And I thought while it wouldn't be in great measure, I'd feel it in some small measure. I have two children in private school and the financial recession has taken an enormous toll on my family. My husband and I have joked for years that we thought we were well beyond the hot dogs and beans era of our lives, but, quite frankly, it's starting to knock on our door and ring true that that might be where we're headed again, and, quite frankly, Mr. President, I need you to answer this honestly. Is this my new reality?

Wow.  What was his answer?

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Reply #32 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 3:57pm
 
Obama's answer. Draw your own conclusions:
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PRESIDENT OBAMA: First of all, I think you describe exactly what is the bedrock of America. A veteran who is working for veterans, somebody who is a CFO, and I am sure knows how to manage their money, has made good decisions. I'm not saying once in a while you don't want to get a new pair of shoes.

[LAUGHTER]

So the life you describe, one of responsibility, looking after your family, contributing back to your community, that's what we want to reward.

Now, as I said before, times are tough for everybody right now. So I understand your frustration. But I would just -- when you say there are things that you would like to see happen or you're hoping to see happen that haven't happened yet, let me give you a couple of examples. I, right now, have two children -- sounds like you've got kids as well.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Two girls.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Two girls. You're going to be thinking about college soon.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Next year.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Part of what we did over the last year and a half is make sure that billions of dollars that were going to subsidize financial service industries under the federal student loan programs are now going to be going directly to students so that millions more students are going to be able to get loans and grants and similar scholarships to go to college.

Now that's going to have an impact on a whole bunch of kids out there, including maybe yours.

If you have a credit card, which I assume you do.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: No.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: See, now you're showing how responsible you are. But if you have a mortgage or a credit card or any kind of financial dealings out there, as a consequence of the changes we made, the credit card companies can't increase your interest rate without notifying you and they can't increase your interest rate on your previous balances. In terms of getting a mortgage, you can't have a mortgage broker steer you to a mortgage that ultimately is going to cost you more money because maybe they're getting a financial incentive to do so. Those things are now against the law.

So there are a whole host of protections in there.

You are a parent who has children. If your child, heaven forbid, had a pre-existing condition, before I took office you were out of luck in terms of being able to get health insurance for that child.

Now insurance companies have to give you health insurance for that child. And by the way, that health insurance company can't drop you if you get sick.

So there are a whole host of things that we've put in place that do make your life better. But, the bottom line is, if your 401(k) is still down substantially from where it was a while back, if you haven't seen a raise in a long time, if your home value went down, depending on where you live, all those things still make you feel like, gosh, I'm treading water.

And so my goal here is not to try to convince you that everything's where it needs to be. It's not. That's why I ran for president. But what I am saying is that we're moving in the right direction. And if we are able to keep our eye on our long-term goal, which is making sure that every family out there, if they're middle class, that they can, you know, pay their bills, have the security of health insurance, retire with dignity and respect, send their kids to college, if they're not yet in the middle class, but there are ladders there to get into the middle class if people work hard, get an education and apply their selves, that's our goal, that's the America we believe in, and I believe we are on track to do that.
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Reply #33 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 6:36pm
 
I still haven't fixed my sound here I saw most of the thing the other day.

Anyway, not to worry. The GOP has sworn to block all the funding for health care it can and since the House in big on that, it should be a lovely sight.

Of course today we are learning that big insurance companies are solving the problem of having to deal with pre-existing conditions in children, by no longer selling them policies. No matter your politics, good will is a thing of the past. Insurance companies are approaching evil drug companies in disgusting behavior.

God forbid you are a ten year old needing a transplant. Death is better for their balance sheet though.

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Reply #34 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 8:12pm
 
Bush & Drugs. There's a sweet story. Bush's friend, John Ashcroft and drug companies spent their time thinking of ways to prevent seniors from getting drugs from Canada or telling them drugs from there weren't safe. A couple of senior drug excursion buses were "inspected" specifically to scare seniors.

The current Administration is the one that is trying to repair the shambles made of the system. The Bush Medicare drug benefit was for the drug companies more than seniors. They made a bloody fortune making things even harder and they are still at it. I got drugs from "Canada" a couple of times. It was such fun because of drug company lobbying. To curtail Canadian drug buying these drugs are not allowed to be shipped from there. Mine came more than one month later from Calcutta.

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Don't go tea party on me.

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Reply #35 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:04am
 
Brew wrote on Sep 22nd, 2010 at 3:57pm:
Obama's answer. Draw your own conclusions:
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PRESIDENT OBAMA: First of all, I think you describe exactly what is the bedrock of America. A veteran who is working for veterans, somebody who is a CFO, and I am sure knows how to manage their money, has made good decisions. I'm not saying once in a while you don't want to get a new pair of shoes.

[LAUGHTER]

So the life you describe, one of responsibility, looking after your family, contributing back to your community, that's what we want to reward.

Now, as I said before, times are tough for everybody right now. So I understand your frustration. But I would just -- when you say there are things that you would like to see happen or you're hoping to see happen that haven't happened yet, let me give you a couple of examples. I, right now, have two children -- sounds like you've got kids as well.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Two girls.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Two girls. You're going to be thinking about college soon.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Next year.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Part of what we did over the last year and a half is make sure that billions of dollars that were going to subsidize financial service industries under the federal student loan programs are now going to be going directly to students so that millions more students are going to be able to get loans and grants and similar scholarships to go to college.

Now that's going to have an impact on a whole bunch of kids out there, including maybe yours.

If you have a credit card, which I assume you do.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: No.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: See, now you're showing how responsible you are. But if you have a mortgage or a credit card or any kind of financial dealings out there, as a consequence of the changes we made, the credit card companies can't increase your interest rate without notifying you and they can't increase your interest rate on your previous balances. In terms of getting a mortgage, you can't have a mortgage broker steer you to a mortgage that ultimately is going to cost you more money because maybe they're getting a financial incentive to do so. Those things are now against the law.

So there are a whole host of protections in there.

You are a parent who has children. If your child, heaven forbid, had a pre-existing condition, before I took office you were out of luck in terms of being able to get health insurance for that child.

Now insurance companies have to give you health insurance for that child. And by the way, that health insurance company can't drop you if you get sick.

So there are a whole host of things that we've put in place that do make your life better. But, the bottom line is, if your 401(k) is still down substantially from where it was a while back, if you haven't seen a raise in a long time, if your home value went down, depending on where you live, all those things still make you feel like, gosh, I'm treading water.

And so my goal here is not to try to convince you that everything's where it needs to be. It's not. That's why I ran for president. But what I am saying is that we're moving in the right direction. And if we are able to keep our eye on our long-term goal, which is making sure that every family out there, if they're middle class, that they can, you know, pay their bills, have the security of health insurance, retire with dignity and respect, send their kids to college, if they're not yet in the middle class, but there are ladders there to get into the middle class if people work hard, get an education and apply their selves, that's our goal, that's the America we believe in, and I believe we are on track to do that.

Funny how not one part of his response offered a solution that would help fix the economy. 

It's about the econmy stupid!!!

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Reply #36 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 11:32am
 
DennisM1045 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:04am:
Funny how not one part of his response offered a solution that would help fix the economy. 

It's about the econmy stupid!!!

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What I found most disturbing about his answer was something that doesn't come across in the transcript. When he first suspected that he was about to be taken behind the woodshed by one of his own supporters, he sort of giggled, laughed it off.

He can't answer these questions, and so he snickers when confronted. It's like he's totally disconnected: His giggling while being asked about the economy; his continuing a shout-out rather than announcing the Ft. Hood shootings; or his vacations, golfing, partying and fundraising during the oil spill.

What's most worrisome is that he doesn't even realize that his behavior is inappropriate.

There's something deeply wrong with this guy - both conservatives and liberals are starting to say it. And it's my belief that the kool-aid drinkers need to spit it out and start admitting some serious truths.
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Reply #37 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 2:32pm
 
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I have a dumb question.  More Rhetorical than anything else, I suppose.   The President of the United States is surrounded by a bevy of advisors, senior staff, etc.  Why aren't they telling him his behavior is inappropriate???  Especially the giggleing part.
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Reply #38 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 3:34pm
 
Maybe they do tell him. But when personality flaws/neuroses/psychoses start to rear their ugly heads, all the "advisoring" in the world is pretty much for naught. They reveal who a person really is.

Mind you, I don't have enough evidence to "blame" him, per se. I think his problems may be very deeply seated, originating in his childhood.
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I have a dumb question.  More Rhetorical than anything else, I suppose.   The President of the United States is surrounded by a bevy of advisors, senior staff, etc.  Why aren't they telling him his behavior is inappropriate???  Especially the giggleing part.



It is because he has not surrounded himself with advisers, just sycophants, yes men, and fellow travelers.  JMHO

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It is because he has not surrounded himself with advisers, just sycophants, yes men, and fellow travelers.  JMHO


A truly strong leader is someone who can and wants to have people around who don't always agree with everything they say.

It's interesting that Obama giggling and similar behaviour never seems to be shown over here (NZ) on TV, so we only get him when he is doing the "great statesman" act.
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Technology is wonderful, but it empowers the obnoxious who amplify ideas without depth. Once, it took more time to present ideas that might by then, become well-considered proposals presented by able spokesmen, to rock the boat. Now they have cellphones, into which they bark. BlackBerrys empower the obsessed. Getting even is the thing.

History is full of dangerous people that took advantage of anger to the detriment of their own people. What's missing with tea partiers, the far right and religious fundamentists, is a sense of humor. The best example of what can happen with government and religion without humor is Muslim terrorisim. 

Take heart, Tea Parties, the big winners in the midterm elections are likely to be the very people who first got us into this mess, then did everything in their power to block action to get us out.

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Tea Partiers clean up after themselves. That says a lot.
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Charlie, I have to be honest when I say I'm getting sick of you lumping in the Tea Party MOVEMENT with the religious right and the GOP.  Tongue

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It's understandable - it's an exact parroting of what the leftist media (but I repeat myself) wants people to believe.

God willing and the creek don't rise, we'll have a little bit more reality to sink our teeth into after this November's elections.
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Point taken Mel. Actually, What I see of the Christian right lately has been pretty thoughtful.

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Brew wrote on Sep 24th, 2010 at 7:47pm:
Tea Partiers clean up after themselves. That says a lot.


Hmm, didn't the tea party thing all start with people boarding three ships and throwing overboard their cargo of tea? I'm sure that doesn't count as cleaning up!

In fact it caused that much trouble for the owners that they gave up trading in that corner of the world and changed from trading tea to whale hunting around New Zealand.

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Actually, does anyone know a good lawyer as I'm sure that that would be an insult to the original owners of the ships and their ancestors are bound to suffer great distress at this act being not just repeated once but repeatedly so and in celebration of a criminal act.
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Done in silence and order it took three hours. No damage to the ships, the decks were swept clean.


Maybe Mr. Enderby didn't get to finish the story, he had to go deal with the other monopoly the East India Company had - fishing.


Churchill called the act of Parliament that had given the East India Company a monopoly on tea. "a stupid blunder."


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They are a bit messy. Good work.

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