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Oxygen Question and Update
Sep 30th, 2010 at 11:31am
 
Figured I'd take the updates and questions off of the Welding Regulator post, since I have all the questions on the regulator itself answered.

First off- that was EASY with all of your help on figuring out the regulator- highly recommend it to everyone. Just to make sure I have this correct: The flow rate just determines how quickly the resevoir bag on the non rebreathing mask fills up, and you breath from the bag. As long as the bag is full when you go to inhale you're fine- is that correct?

We had the flow rate really cranked up on the first two aborts, and those worked great. (and when I say really cranked up I mean using 1,000psi in total and running the tank dry-I don't care if it took the entire M tank each time as long as it works-but it does seem like that was wasting o2) Problem is, now that we've backed the flow rate down it doesn't seem to be as effective. It's a high enough flow rate to keep the bag inflated, so I'm not sure if the flow rate is the problem. Also, the mask I ordered from here hasn't arrived yet, so we're still using the cheap $2 one I found. I can see the white disks on the side vents ruffling out from the incoming O2- and that just doesn't seem right- if there is unimpeded flow to the mask when he's not inhaling doesn't that mean what he's exhaling could go right back in the bag?

Lucas, my husband, is sitting upright, hyperventalating for 5 minutes, breathing deeply for around 10, and if that isn't effective waiting a while and then trying again. Do we have the technique down correctly?

Are we expecting to much? At it's best does it sometimes leave shadows that linger or only keep headaches to a 4? Which, my god,  that is a VAST improvement over what he was going through, but if I can increase the O2s effectiveness for him I will.

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Reply #1 - Sep 30th, 2010 at 12:21pm
 
Yes, Yes, Yes Yes and no.

AS long as the bag is filling up between breaths, your flow rate is good. Keep turning the flow rate down until it just doesn't fill the bag, then crank it up a whisker, then you're not wasting any.

With the cheaper maks, you'll get leakage OUT of the incoming 02, and it won't always vent all of his exhaled air. Try pulling the mask away as he exhales to make sure he's not getting any exhaled air on his next intake.


Your technique sounds fine.

You're not expecting too much, once you get the technique personalized for him it's almost miraculous how fast the beasty retreats. I drink a Red Bull as I start my 02, it seems to speed the abort time a little. I don't really chug it, just deep breath, little drink, deep breath, little drink! Smiley

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Reply #2 - Sep 30th, 2010 at 12:41pm
 
Thanks Joe, thats really helpful!

What a difference to not go through a cycle alone- we are so so thankful to have found this place and all of you, to not have to do this on our own anymore. I can't even begin to describe how that makes me feel- but I'm sure you all know, you've all felt the same thing!

Lucas is three weeks in to his cycle, and it seems to have bounced around a bit more than usual. Sometimes 3 times a day, sometimes 24hours pain free, sometimes shadows most of the day. But his only prescription was Imitrex nasal spray, which works, but now he's trying to minimize it's use. Rebound from using it might account for some of this weird cycle.
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Reply #3 - Sep 30th, 2010 at 12:42pm
 
What Joe said Smiley  Looks like you two are on the right track  Cool

I'd also suggest taping over the holes on the mask.  If the butterfly valve doesn't seat right you'll be getting outside air in.  He'll then have to lift the mask off his face to exhale.

It may explain why when you turned the pressure down it wasn't as effective.  The excessive flow rate was keeping positive pressure inside the mask.

Another alternative is to get creative with another $2 mask and see if he can fashion it into a mouth tube. 

I use a mouth tube instead of a mask myself.  It has a rebreather bag but instead of a mask over the face I put the tube into my mouth.  It simply works better for us guys with facial hair Wink

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Reply #4 - Sep 30th, 2010 at 1:22pm
 
Nah, Dennis, I like him cleanshaven better anyway! "Hmmm, mask not working, you say? Well you better shave then!"

I kid of course, but I do think the new mask will help things once it gets here. I put a rush on it and it's already shipped, so hopefully it'll be here soon.

I'll talk to him about adjusting hs technique and lifting the mask to exhale till then though!

As for me- my job is the easy one, and I do it gladly. Not sure who posted it but someone here said they would drink a gallon of cat piss while rolling in elephant feces if it would make the pain stop. (which made me smile when I had little to smile about at that point, so whoever it was, my thanks for that) but I'll add to that and say that I would do the same if it would stop his pain.

You know, someone once joked that Lucas had the easy part when I was in labor with our second daughter, but I disagree. Having watched him struggle with this for years I know that watching the one you love in pain is a special and hellish pain itself.
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Reply #5 - Sep 30th, 2010 at 5:17pm
 
You know, someone once joked that Lucas had the easy part when I was in labor with our second daughter, but I disagree. Having watched him struggle with this for years I know that watching the one you love in pain is a special and hellish pain itself. 

Bears repeating, we don't always give our supporters the credit they deserve. It'd be so much worse for me to watch Christy go through this, then to just deal with it myself.

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Reply #6 - Sep 30th, 2010 at 6:12pm
 
Marc wrote on Sep 30th, 2010 at 5:31pm:
Guiseppi wrote on Sep 30th, 2010 at 5:17pm:
[i]Y................................. It'd be so much worse for me to watch Christy go through this, then to just deal with it myself.

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Absolutely agree that I would much rather take the hits than watch my wife or kids go through it! But, I would be willing to bet that we all feel that way.

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No doubt!  I'd love to be able to take Linda's problems on myself, and hate to have her see me getting hit.

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Reply #7 - Oct 1st, 2010 at 1:07pm
 
Ah, rough night. 3 HA all 2hrs apart, husband's been up for good since 3:30am. Oxygen seems to be helping, and he's trying to wean off the Imitrex and just use it for emergencies if he can't get to the oxygen in time. I'm reassured by Batch's assertion that oxygen therapy temporarily increases frequency of headaches, but that it dissipates in time. Just read that this morning on an older thread. Gotta trust a size 18 font!

I'm also getting the rest of the components for the PH treatment he discusses. Lucas was already on the magnesium and also feverfew. Question on that if anyone knows- can he sweeten the lemonaide? I stripped my vocal chords once with pure lemon and water trying to get rid of a cough- I am talking couldn't even whisper- not a sound, I lost my voice that badly. So just wondering about that.

Curious about melatonin- need to figure out a way to get him some rest at night, but I've been hesitant since it made some people's headaches worse. Not sure we can handle that right now.

Lucas's strength, and everyone who deals with these, is astonishing to me. That he could go through hell and yet be more concerned about keeping silent so as not to wake me up is verging on a Herculean will. Not sure I wouldn't wake the entire neighborhood screaming if it was me! And yet I keep telling him to wake me up when he gets one, even if the only help I can give is to make sure he isn't alone in the night with this thing;  I would rather do that than be well rested the next day.

Sigh, grasping at straws these days, but I looked out the window at work a few hours ago to see a hawk perched on the header rack of my 4runner. Seeing a hawk has always made me smile and filled me with a bit of something I can't describe-pride? pure joy? freedom? I stil can't nail it down- none of those is still quite right. I'm a pretty practical person, but I will take what is given today and choose to see the hawk on the car as a good sign.
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Reply #8 - Oct 1st, 2010 at 1:20pm
 
Oh, and just to be clear- I've done my homework on the Melatonin- even printed the post out on it on the second page of the board here- just thought I'd mention that we're still weighing our options on that one is why I put it in my ost.
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Reply #9 - Oct 1st, 2010 at 6:49pm
 
Lauren17 wrote on Oct 1st, 2010 at 1:07pm:
Lucas's strength, and everyone who deals with these, is astonishing to me. That he could go through hell and yet be more concerned about keeping silent so as not to wake me up is verging on a Herculean will. Not sure I wouldn't wake the entire neighborhood screaming if it was me! And yet I keep telling him to wake me up when he gets one, even if the only help I can give is to make sure he isn't alone in the night with this thing;  I would rather do that than be well rested the next day.


This paragraph also shows a great relationship in action. One person when in great pain is doing all he can to avoid disrupting the sleep of others. Whilst at the same time the supporter wants to do all she can, even if there is little she can do other than being there.

I just wish we didn't have to go through experiences like this.
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Reply #10 - Oct 1st, 2010 at 10:43pm
 
Hmm, well dang it, I thought I was onto something there! i guess peak and backing off his Meds has to account for the increase.

Thanks for the kind words mike, I think we have a good thing going and am lucky to have him. Hopefully he'll introduce himself soon- you guys will like him!
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Reply #11 - Oct 2nd, 2010 at 1:03pm
 
Lauren17 wrote on Oct 1st, 2010 at 1:20pm:
Oh, and just to be clear- I've done my homework on the Melatonin- even printed the post out on it on the second page of the board here- just thought I'd mention that we're still weighing our options on that one is why I put it in my ost.

Try it, I waited a cycle before trying it and wish I hadn't.  Would have saved me a lot of unecessary pain.  I all reality, the worst thing that will probably happen is that it doesn't help him at all.  I'd try 12mg of melatonin about 45 min to an hour before bed, and if you get lucky, he might actually sleep through the whole night.

Edit to add, I've been using it for about 8 years now and it is by far THE BEST prevent I've ever used.
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Reply #12 - Oct 2nd, 2010 at 3:58pm
 
And a pain free night! Lucas felt some needle prick tingling around his right eye yesterday evening; new since it was surface sansations where his cluster pain is deeper. Went to sleep and night attacks never came. Woke up, no attack, took a nap even and still nothing today except he says he has a bit of light pressure! Wow!

Who knows what caused this relief, but if it was the hawk that landed on the car yesterday I will suggest you all start duct taping mice to your roofs!!! Haha

wishing you all pain free days and nights!
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Reply #13 - Oct 22nd, 2010 at 8:55pm
 
I'm new to the site and am still reading and learning.  One thing I found here that worked great for me was the melatonin.  Huge difference in night hits.  Dropped me from my usuall pain of 8-10 down to 2-5.  Much shorter duration also.  Good luck, and hope things go well.
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Reply #14 - Nov 7th, 2010 at 9:49pm
 
Lauren,

I’ve been on travel so I’m late in responding to your post.  From your description, it sounds like your husband is using the welder's O2 regulator effectively.  There are however, two things he can do that may help improve the efficacy and time to abort when using oxygen therapy, or at least make the oxygen therapy work more consistently.

The first is a method of oxygen therapy, procedures and a breathing technique that supports hyperventilation with 100% oxygen. The second is controlling arterial pH to keep it from going lower than normal with a regimen of mineral supplements and vitamins. 

Before I go into an explanation of these two topics, I need to make the following obligatory statement: 

I'm not a doctor...  (I did stay in a Holiday Inn a few years ago.)  I'm retired so I've been able to devote much of my time over the last six years to study both our disorder and the effects of oxygen therapy at higher flow rates since I turned chronic in 2004.  That was when I first started using oxygen therapy to abort my cluster headaches.  I've also had the opportunity to meet with several of the top neurologists here in the US and Europe treating cluster headache sufferers to discuss these two regimens of treatment. 

All of these neurologists agreed that higher oxygen flow rates appeared to offer greater efficacy and shorter abort times with greater safety than other prescribed abortives.  One of them, Dr. Todd Rozen, is about to start a clinical trial of this method of oxygen therapy dispensed with a demand valve so we should have evidence based proof in a few months that could change the way oxygen therapy is prescribed today.

I'm also a retired Navy pilot with over 3,000 hours flight time in fighters and all of that flight time was spent breathing 100% oxygen from the catapult shot to arrested landing aboard ship on missions averaging two hours in duration.  During actual combat or training missions involving high G-force maneuvers, I would frequently consume that 100% oxygen at flow rates at or above 50 liters/minute.   

Moreover, repeatedly breathing 100% oxygen several times a day at flow rates greater than 15 liters/minute is very safe with no known long term side effects.  As proof, consider the fact that Navy and Marine Corps pilots flying tactical aircraft, have been breathing 100% oxygen from takeoff to landing for more than 70 years and they still do so today when flying fighter and attack aircraft costing more than $30 Million.  NASA astronauts breathe 100% oxygen for up to 4 hours when suited up for EVAs.    All of them are required to have annual flight physicals with chest X-Rays so if there was a problem, it would have shown up long ago.

I’ve used oxygen therapy at flow rates that support hyperventilation on all my cluster headaches since 2004 and I’m still here at age 66.

Finally, I'm providing the following discussions for information purposes only.  You should consult with your primary care physician or neurologist before attempting either of the two regimens discussed in this post.

We've tested the following method of oxygen therapy and procedures in an informal proof of concept pilot study and found them to be very effective in achieving fast and consistent aborts with no adverse reactions. 

The goals of this method of oxygen therapy and procedures are two-fold: (1) hyperoxia, elevating the arterial oxygen content above normal, and (2), hyperventilating with 100% oxygen in order to cast off CO2 from the lungs faster than the body generates it through normal metabolism.  This elevates arterial pH and results in another respiratory condition called respiratory alkalosis.

Both of these conditions induce vasoconstriction, and when that occurs in and around the trigeminal nerve these two regimens of treatment act as very rapid and very effective abortives stopping the cluster headache with no side effects.

The first rule of oxygen therapy is to start it early.  If your husband is awake, he needs to start on the oxygen as soon as there are any indications of an approaching attack.  If the attacks come while sleeping (this is most common), start on the oxygen ASAP after waking up!  The longer he waits, the higher the pain will build and higher pain levels mean longer abort times.

The following procedure works best if standing to give the diaphragm a full range of motion to better ventilate the lungs.  If used properly, these procedures can make your husband feel a little dizzy.  I've used them for 6 years and have yet to fall from being too dizzy.  I usually lean against a wall.  If your husband feels too dizzy leaning against the wall, have him take a seat.

There are three phases to this procedure: Clearing Nitrogen, Fast Hyperventilation, and Slow Hyperventilation.

The purpose of the first phase is to start clearing nitrogen from the lungs and also to let the lungs adjust to the dryness of the oxygen.  Start this phase with the oxygen at a moderate flow rate inhaling at a comfortable rate as fully and deeply as possible (this should take 2 seconds), then exhale as completely as possible for 4 to 5 seconds.  This should work out to an oxygen flow rate of 25 to 30 liters/minute.

Exhaling as completely as possible is very important.  When it feels like my lungs are empty after exhaling normally, they're not, so I do an abdominal crunch or single coughing maneuver and hold the chest and abdominal squeeze for a few seconds longer while exhaling.  This breathing technique will squeeze out another half liter or more of residual breath.  This is called forced vital capacity breathing.  As this last volume of breath has been in the lungs the longest, it contains the highest concentration of CO2.

The purpose of hyperventilating with 100% oxygen is to pump out CO2 faster than the body generates it through normal metabolism, drive up the arterial pH, and hyper-oxygenate the arterial blood.

Coughing is normal during this first phase.  It can be caused by the dryness of the oxygen and will pass in 10 to 15 seconds as the lungs adjust to the dryness.  Coughing can also be caused by atelectasis.  Atelectasis is a condition characterized by an uncontrollable urge to cough and it occurs when small local areas of the lungs have collapsed alveoli that start to re-inflate with deeper breathing as the lungs fully inflate.  Atelectasis can occur normally during sleep where the level of lung ventilation is lowest.  Fortunately, coughing re-inflates the alveoli very rapidly and the coughing should clear in 10 to 15 seconds.

The purpose of the second phase, Fast Hyperventilation, is to voluntarily hyperventilate as fast as possible in order to push the circulatory and respiratory systems into respiratory alkalosis.  This pushes arterial pH slightly above normal causing vasoconstriction and that makes the cluster headache abort happen faster.

To do this phase properly you'll need to hyperventilate at a respiration rate of 20 complete breaths per minute at vital capacity tidal volume of 3 liters inhaled with each breath.  If you use a 0 to 60 liter/minute regulator, the oxygen flow rate during fast hyperventilation will be 60 liters/minute

Continue hyperventilating at this rate for one minute or until you feel the symptoms of paresthesia whichever occurs first.  The symptoms of paresthesia include a slight sensation of tingling or prickling of the fingertips, lips, or back of the neck and are frequently accompanied by a slight dizziness.

Fast Hyperventilation is hard work and very tiring, but the payoff is worth it.

After one minute of Fast Hyperventilation or when you start feeling the symptoms of paresthesia whichever occurs first, slow the flow rate to support Slow Hyperventilation at a respiration rate of 12 complete cycles/minute with a forced vital capacity tidal volume (inhale for 2 seconds and exhale for 3 seconds with an abdominal crunch to squeeze out the last volume of residual breath.  This should work out to an oxygen flow rate of 40 liters/minute.

The Slow Hyperventilation phase requires less effort and is easy to sustain until the abort to a pain free condition.  If the above procedures are accomplished correctly, the user should start feeling the pain level off or start dropping after 2 to 3 minutes depending on the headache pain level at the start of therapy.

Data from the informal pilot study of this method of oxygen therapy as an abortive for cluster headaches where 7 CH'ers collected data on 366 aborts, indicated an average abort time of 7 minutes for cluster headaches at pain level 3 through 9.  We also found a direct relationship between pain levels and abort times.  In short, the lower the pain level, the faster the abort with this method of oxygen therapy.  For example, a cluster headache at Kip-3 to Kip-4 took an average of 3 to 4 minutes to abort while a cluster headache at Kip-7 to Kip-8 could take an average of 9 to 12 minutes to abort.

The important thing to remember about oxygen therapy is that it is only an abortive and not a preventative.  If you're averaging a cluster headache every two hours, oxygen therapy will not change this frequency nor will it prevent cluster headaches...  but it will make them more manageable.  Moreover, the confidence of knowing you can make the pain go away reliably does wonders for getting out of the typical funk we've all suffered when getting hammered 6 to 8 times a day/night.  Knowing you can abort cluster headaches reliably all but eliminates the fear and anxiety of the next attack.

Having said all this, there are also times when the above method of oxygen therapy will not produce rapid aborts.  There can be a number of reasons for this, but the best explanation for this increase in abort times can be attributed to a lower than normal arterial pH.  In other words, the arterial blood has too much acid. 

This low pH condition can also be caused by metabolic acidosis or a renal insufficiency (low kidney function) and it doesn't take too much of a shift to a lower pH to trigger more frequent and more intense cluster headaches.   This condition can also be caused by diet high in acid forming foods or another co-morbid medical condition that lowers arterial pH.   See the chart at the bottom of the following link for a list of acid and alkaline forming food types…

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I turned chronic in 2004 after 11 years of episodic cluster headaches, but I still go through high and low cycles.  During a high cycle I average 3 attacks a day/24 hours with up to 8 attacks a day during the peak part of the high cycle.  During low cycles I typically average 3 to 4 attacks a week.

It didn't take long for me to discover that when I went into a high cycle, if I started pushing 3 to 4 calcium citrate tablets a day that contained vitamin D-3, magnesium and zinc, I could shorten the high cycle and reduce both the frequency and intensity of my attacks.  I also started taking 3 to 4 Omega-3 fish oil gel caps a day in 2007 to help combat a high cholesterol condition brought on by the side effect from an immunosuppressant called rapamune (sirolimus) that I was taking as a part of a clinical trial for my eyes at NIH. 

The Omega-3 fish oil and a diet high in alkaline forming foods with less red meat worked well to reduce my total cholesterol from 250 down to 170 while still taking the sirolimus. The biggest surprise was the Omega-3 fish oil also helped hold down the frequency and intensity of my cluster headaches.

A year ago I found that homemade lemonade also helped reduce the frequency and intensity of my cluster headache attacks during both high and low cycles.  Last June when the temperature was in the 90s for most of the month, I started drinking Baja Bob's sugar free margarita mix with and without the agave (tequila) and found it worked even better than the homemade lemonade.  It reduced the frequency of my low cycle cluster headaches significantly and allowed me to go two weeks pain free. 

I suspected the extra citric acid in Baja Bob's sugar free margarita mix was the extra ingredient that increased its effectiveness as a preventative.  I checked my saliva pH with pH test strips as an analog of arterial pH, and it was clear, the sugar free margarita mix had elevated my average arterial pH.

Why the regimen of 3 to 4 calcium citrate tablets and a couple glasses of lemonade or margarita mix that contain citric acid worked to hold down the frequency and intensity of my cluster headaches had me wondering for a while until I remembered some of my chemistry and found an article citing a British Journal of Anesthesia article titled "An oral sodium citrate-citric acid non-particulate buffer in humans" at the following link:

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You'll see in this article that this regimen acts as a buffer on the stomach's gastric juices elevating the pH of the stomach contents from 2.0 to 3.9 and kept it at this level for 6 hours.   As calcium citrate is a chemical analog of sodium citrate with very similar chemical properties, taking these mineral supplements along with lemonade or margarita mix was lowering the acid content of my stomach's gastric juices. 

Moreover, because food passing through the small intestine must not have an acid content less than a neutral pH (7.4).  When the stomach contents enter the lower part of the stomach called the duodenum, the pancreas dumps a large quantity of bicarbonate into the mix to elevate the pH of the contents up to neutral before they enter the small intestine. 

However, when using this regimen, the stomach's contents are already at a pH of 3.9 because of the buffering action, and not at a pH of 2.0 from the hydrochloric acid the stomach produces as part of the digestion process.  The bicarbonate solution injected by the pancreas elevates the pH of the food passing into the small intestines to a pH greater than 7.4 making it more alkaline than normal.  As arterial blood picks up nutrients from the small intestine, it tends to take on the same elevated pH.

Now for another obligatory statement…  Unlike oxygen therapy where there is a growing body of evidence-based medical research data from clinical studies on its effectiveness as an abortive for cluster headaches, the use of mineral supplements and vitamins as a preventative is still largely anecdotal.  In other words, it’s in the same class as drinking Red Bull as an abortive or taking melatonin at night to get a good night’s sleep.

I though vitamin D3 and Omega 3 Fish Oil might be playing a role as a preventative for me.  Because the temperature was above 90º for most of June I was clad in shorts and tank top while working our in the garden or watering then lawn a couple hours a day so I was likely generating lots of vitamin D3 from all the direct sunlight.  I was also downing a couple glasses of margarita mix a day with and without the agave (tequila) and went pain free for nearly 3 weeks.  Many of the top nutritionists say 10,000 IUs of vitamin D3 a day is not unreasonable as the body can generate that much with as little as 30 minutes exposure to direct sunlight.

To test his hypothesis, I stopped taking the calcium mineral supplement tablets with vitamin D3, magnesium and zinc and switched to 10,000 IUs of vitamin D3 and 3000 mg of Omega 3 Fish Oil a day on 5 October.  At that point I was still in a high cycle with 5 to 6 attacks a night that aborted easily with high flow rate oxygen.  The number of attacks at night dropped to zero by the morning of the 8th and I’ve been pain free ever since while using this regimen.

So what‘s the bottom line on the use of a regimen of minerals supplements and vitamins to reduce the frequency and intensity of cluster headaches?  The answer is the only consistent thing about cluster headaches…  they change and we’re all wired differently.  What works for one of us as a preventative may not work for another, and the corollary:  What works for one of us now, may not be as effective or may not work at all at a later date.  That’s the nature of cluster headaches.

Having said that, oxygen therapy is likely the exception if the flow rate is high enough, it’s used early with properly functioning equipment, and there are no co-morbid conditions that prevent it from working.

Hope this helps.

Take care,

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Reply #15 - Nov 8th, 2010 at 12:11pm
 
Batch, thanks so much for checking back and the time and effort you put into your response (and research, and all the rest you do!). I've printed out your entire response to put in the notebook for next time- luckily Lucas's cycle ended a few weeks ago. O2 was very effective for him, but I think your suggestions will up his effectiveness with it next time. We will also start on the PH treatment at the start of his cycle- we started it at the end of his cycle, and it coincided with a decrease in the severity and frequency of his headaches, but that could have been the cycle winding down too. But we will most definately be trying it again.

Thank you for all you do, sir!
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Re: Oxygen Question and Update
Reply #16 - Nov 8th, 2010 at 12:50pm
 
Lauren,

You're most welcome.  Great news that Lucas's cycle ended with a wimper...  I love it when that happens.

Take care,

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Reply #17 - Nov 9th, 2010 at 7:41am
 
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Moreover, the confidence of knowing you can make the pain go away reliably does wonders for getting out of the typical funk we've all suffered when getting hammered 6 to 8 times a day/night.  Knowing you can abort cluster headaches reliably all but eliminates the fear and anxiety of the next attack.


Amen to that, and good to hear from you Batch. It wasn't so long ago that you were giving me the same advice and technique. I remember how incredibly amazed and delighted I was to have found an effective means of aborting the beast. O2 became my newest, bestest friend; and still is! Blessings, and thanks! lance
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Reply #18 - Nov 9th, 2010 at 8:49am
 
We talk a lot about the depression that can occur with CH, since finding 02 as my abortive, the beast has lost the majority of his "fear factor." It's amazing how it changes your whole outlook! Smiley

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Re: Oxygen Question and Update
Reply #19 - Nov 9th, 2010 at 2:14pm
 
Guiseppi wrote on Nov 9th, 2010 at 8:49am:
We talk a lot about the depression that can occur with CH, since finding 02 as my abortive, the beast has lost the majority of his "fear factor." It's amazing how it changes your whole outlook!


Going from where a CH meant 45-75 minutes of agony just waiting for it to be other to 6-8 minutes actively doing something (oxygen) knowing that it'll be over soon is the game changer.
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