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Do we all have something in common?
Dec 10th, 2010 at 6:15am
 
I was wondering if there was ever some kind of survey done to see ,even though we are all very different,what we all have in common that might have birthed the beast in us.Seems to me this forum would be a good vehicle for this.There seems a lot of studies have been done to look into each of us separately but not together.
The hormone thing comes up as a cause a lot and in my experience hormones are strongly influenced by two major things....diet and even more emotions.
Hormones, for me, are the communicators that run our machine and something seems to be messing up our hard disk so that the electric signals seem to be shorting out or flipping out.
Is it a silly idea to put a  ch survey from ch ers, together  to perhaps find out if there are things and we have that we all have in common?The white coats(Dr's,specialists ect) have no idea what the cause is and we know better than most about this hideous pain,if you ask me.
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Reply #1 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 7:00am
 
The prevailing theory is quite simply a screwed up hypothalmus; or an extra ganglion of nerves that others do not have and fire off at a certain point, and voila, we have a CH. CHs are now classified as a primary headache meaning it is not secondary to something else: tension, smoking, bad breath, that kinda thing. We do have something in common: we hurt, a lot. At the worst possible times in the worst possible way. Some of us weren't hugged enough as a child perhaps...but I don't think that's the root cause. Blessings. lance
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Reply #2 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 7:24am
 
What Lance said! We've done countless formal and informal surveys over the years, looking at childhood exposures, injuries, body types, eye color, so far no luck on that one common thread! No reason to stop looking, I'm still hoping someday we'll have a forehead slapping, Oh Duh, moment and we'll spend the rest of our lives thinking how dumb we were we didn't see it sooner! Wink

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Reply #3 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 7:30am
 
A defective hypothalamus.
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Reply #4 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 7:40am
 
ok...
sorry Lance that you weren't hugged enough...I'll send you one Wink
know about the common pain stuff... am a chronic for many many years and get that bit...cute though.
Extra ganglion???
If that is the case then why are many in remission for years at a time?
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Reply #5 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 8:55am
 
And that's just the start of the puzzling questions?

Why does lithium work so well for me, and worthless for others? Same with verap and topomax and prednisone? Why do some go episodic, chronic, some never switch sides, some do, some go 2 sided!!! Some go into 2, 3, 10 year remissions.

It's enough to drive you crazy if you dwell on it too much! Grin

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Reply #6 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 10:26am
 
Some of us weren't hugged enough as a child

Some of us were potty trained to young

Some of us were breast fed too many years. Some not at all.

It's your mother's fault!

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Reply #7 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 10:37am
 
For a link to some of the data from the oxygen survey conducted here recently:

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For a link to the current results to the long-term, informal, and more general survey conducted here (and still ongoing):

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....And many other informal polls conducted here on the boards that you'll probably have to look up.  Probably many more on any conceivable subject to come as well.   Wink

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Reply #8 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 10:51am
 
We have an opposable thumb.

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Reply #9 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 11:05am
 
Joe;
I have no proof but have delved into these things and it seems that the meds you named work on different inflammations so depends where it is.
Topimax works on an inflammation in the neck and back area,lithium in the nerves of the brain area,prednisone on the inflammations in the stomach and bowel area and verapamil in the vascular area.Of course these may work in other areas but primarily these.
And I believe they change sides when they have something to do with the hormones pituitary and pineal glands.
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Reply #10 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 11:07am
 
ps
thanks George....I will.
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Reply #11 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 12:02pm
 
And oh yeah....about chronics and episodics....i'm not sure.Something i would like to investigate.However being chronically chronic myself i can only guess that chronics are the ones with the bigger butting horns.More stubborn,fighting against..something or maybe anything.Perhaps chronics have a past history of drug or alcohol abuse,I did.Or have not taken care of themselves physically for a longer periods of time.Perhaps we bury emotions more are madder,don't change easy....stuff like that.
I would like to know from others if this is so as it is just a theory until now.
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Reply #12 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 12:37pm
 
One thing I find interesting is that my 1st cluster headache (rogue hit) happened when I had mono followed by a cycle a few months later when the mono had "cleared up" (it then resurfaced later on and I was diagnosed with chronic mono).  Was it caused by the mono?  Not necessarily but maybe it was a stressor that brought out the CH.  Don't know--not convinced there was a connection but it does stand out in my mind.
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Reply #13 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 1:04pm
 
When you guys figure it out let me know,I want to rid of mine (what ever it is) ASAP!!!!

In common:  Headaches. (sorry couldn't resist)
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Reply #14 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 3:28pm
 
Oh...and I do think that it was discussed on here a couple of years ago that many people who suffer from CH tend to be on the taller side.  One time I saw some report on the internet (don't remember what it was called) that said you are at higher risk of getting CH if you are over 5 foot 8 inches.  I have no idea if this is true.  I just do not know if this is a myth or not.  Probably a myth--don't know.
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Reply #15 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 3:46pm
 
Brew wrote on Dec 10th, 2010 at 7:30am:
A defective hypothalamus.

Yep. The end.

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Reply #16 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 4:25pm
 
The reactions say enough don't you think!!!

Exactly as i had said in my post.Unable to accept,not open to something new, bullheaded ,hard,critical and judgemental .HMMMMMM
Thanks for confirming my study.

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Reply #17 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 4:31pm
 
julyn wrote on Dec 10th, 2010 at 11:05am:
Joe;
I have no proof but have delved into these things and it seems that the meds you named work on different inflammations so depends where it is.
Topimax works on an inflammation in the neck and back area,lithium in the nerves of the brain area,prednisone on the inflammations in the stomach and bowel area and verapamil in the vascular area.Of course these may work in other areas but primarily these.
And I believe they change sides when they have something to do with the hormones pituitary and pineal glands.

Maybe you could provide some links on how these drugs work.

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Reply #18 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 4:54pm
 
julyn wrote on Dec 10th, 2010 at 11:05am:
Joe;
I have no proof but have delved into these things and it seems that the meds you named work on different inflammations so depends where it is.
Topimax works on an inflammation in the neck and back area,lithium in the nerves of the brain area,prednisone on the inflammations in the stomach and bowel area and verapamil in the vascular area.Of course these may work in other areas but primarily these.
And I believe they change sides when they have something to do with the hormones pituitary and pineal glands.



Sorry to disabuse you of your notion, but Topamax is NOT an antiflammatory, nor is Lithium.

Starlight,
The tallness theory was never proven (you attend a conference of clusterheads and you'll see people of all different sizes, shapes and whatever.).

As Potter said, it's the hypothalmus (and he's not being ornery or hardheaded, just been here a long time and pretty much seen it all).
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Reply #19 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 5:23pm
 
no they are not necessarily anti inflammatories but they do remove blockages,which many drs would call inflamations....sometimes sensory,sometimes hormonal and sometimes vascular or neural.

fyi;Inflammation (Latin, inflammare, to set on fire) is part of the complex biological response of vascular tissues to harmful stimuli, such as pathogens, damaged cells, or irritants.[1] [i]Inflammation is a protective attempt by the organism to remove the injurious stimuli and to initiate the healing process.
The traditional names for signs of inflammation come from Latin:

    * Dolor (pain)
    * Calor (heat)
    * Rubor (redness)
    * Tumor (swelling)
    * Functio laesa (loss of function) [6]

Ok lets call it loss of function!!Happy now.
I am only trying to help and give you some food for thought so.........
Bash me all you want but why don't you try and check it out,do your own investigation and study with this info and prove me wrong instead of all this waste of time bla bla.

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Reply #20 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 5:32pm
 
With verapamil, there are also receptors in the hypothalamus that bond with verapamil, but that being said from what I have read I am not sure they understand the mechanism by which it helps cluster headaches in some individuals.
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Reply #21 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 6:20pm
 
julyn wrote on Dec 10th, 2010 at 5:23pm:
no they are not necessarily anti inflammatories but they do remove blockages,which many drs would call inflamations....sometimes sensory,sometimes hormonal and sometimes vascular or neural.

fyi;Inflammation (Latin, inflammare, to set on fire) is part of the complex biological response of vascular tissues to harmful stimuli, such as pathogens, damaged cells, or irritants.[1] [i]Inflammation is a protective attempt by the organism to remove the injurious stimuli and to initiate the healing process.
The traditional names for signs of inflammation come from Latin:

    * Dolor (pain)
    * Calor (heat)
    * Rubor (redness)
    * Tumor (swelling)
    * Functio laesa (loss of function) [6]

Ok lets call it loss of function!!Happy now.
I am only trying to help and give you some food for thought so.........
Bash me all you want but why don't you try and check it out,do your own investigation and study with this info and prove me wrong instead of all this waste of time bla bla.

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Nobody is trying to prove you right or wrong.  We just shouldn't promulgate misinformation.

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Reply #22 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 6:53pm
 
Oh yeah...so what do topimax and prednisone and oxygen have to do with the hypothalamus?
I was chronic for around 13 years with a two year break and now i am back....none of these meds worked on me ...so if it was the hypothalamus for sure, the end,and all that, then why didn't they,or shrooms or neurotransmitters work for me?
Who doesn't know what?
and what do we really know..............
Besides that it hurts so bad that one should be sure to examine all the possibilities to make it go very far away!!!
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Reply #23 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 7:24pm
 
julyn wrote on Dec 10th, 2010 at 6:53pm:
Oh yeah...so what do topimax and prednisone and oxygen have to do with the hypothalmus?

The meds don't do anything to the hypothalmus. The pain of cluster attacks comes from dialated blood vessels that are pressing on the nerves surrounding the vessels. The meds are to get the vessels to contract and reduce the pressure.
Please don't think some of the above messages were an attack on you. My 1st message to you may have sounded kinda un-kind. Sorry, it wasn't meant that way.
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Reply #24 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 7:28pm
 
When we can fix the hypothalamus Dj can flip the switch on this site,  till then we just gotta do the best we can with the tools we got.

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