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Cluster Period Question
Dec 25th, 2010 at 2:33pm
 
Hey everyone! I'm new on here, so anything I say might have been already been talked about to death, but I'll take the risk...

For those of you that don't have chronic cluster headaches, have your cluster periods varied much in duration? I'm asking because my first -- and until very recently, only -- period was three years ago and my headaches occured 2-3 times a day for about a week. But suddenly I'm having my second period after that three year remission, and it's already been 2+ weeks and it's still going strong. So I don't know if I can reasonably expect them to go into remission again soon...

Similarly, has any had cluster headaches go from being acute to being chronic? Or is it something like "once chronic always chronic" or "once acute always acute"?

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Reply #1 - Dec 25th, 2010 at 4:37pm
 
Merry Christmas r3v0lvEr

I can't answer your question about how long my cluster periods are since I'm still on my first which started in May (so I'll probably be chronic but the year long duration hasn't happened yet).

For the second question, there are people who go from being episodic to chronic and vice-versa including a few people on this forum.
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Reply #2 - Dec 25th, 2010 at 5:36pm
 
It varies too much from individual to individual to say much about it.  Some episodics are all over the map--others know pretty clearly when a cycle will begin and end.

In general, cycles seem to be more erratic at the beginning, developing into more established patterns later on.  But that's a very, very broad generalization. 

Wish I could be a bit more specific, but specifics don't really exist.  After a time, you'll have a sense of what to expect with your own cycles. 

Even so, I think you have to take it one day at a time, one hit at a time.  Unlike most things we do, the only way to get through CH is moment to moment.  When it hurts, it hurts.  When it doesn't, life is good.  Predicting it, anticipating it, worrying about it, thinking about it, and planning your life around it won't change a thing, and it won't do a damn bit of good.  Fight when you have to, live fully when you don't.

Whatever happens, you'll learn to get through it.  It's what we do.   Wink

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Reply #3 - Dec 25th, 2010 at 6:46pm
 
My cycles usually run for about one year in length, with any-where's of 3 to 6 hits a day anytime after work. Always in the evening and after going to sleep is when I get hit.
I should be in high cycle right now but getting the very odd low end hits that my o2 takes care of in minutes. One never knows... Undecided
PF wishes to you, others will be along soon to offer their experiences.
One never know's so I stay prepared with my o2 and Verapamil 24/7 and at the ready.
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Reply #4 - Dec 25th, 2010 at 8:40pm
 
Merry Christmas r3v0lvEr

And ditto to what George said.

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Reply #5 - Dec 25th, 2010 at 10:31pm
 
The answers to both of your questions is a very definite maybe.

As has been said, CH is such an erratic beast one cannot predict what it will do from day to day. let alone year to year.  For several years I would go every 2-3 years, for until they quit, and as many a day as came.  A few years ago they got into a pattern and I could tell you the time of day within 10-15 minutes what time it was by the way I felt, that was up to 8 a day.  That lasted until it changed.  Then I went chronic, and have been for over 8 years.  I quit counting. 

I'm not trying to be a smart aleck, but illustrating the changeability of the beast.  Some of it is caused by meds we take and its interaction with them.  Other changes are brought about by environment, stress levels, life-style changes, etc.  Other changes come about because the beast gets bored doing the same thing all the time. 

As also was said, you have to learn to live between the hits, and to not let it rule your life.  Learn what works for you as a prevent and as an abortive (allow me to put in a very strong plug for O2.  Also to check out Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register) then be ready to make adjustments to your arsenal.  Especially when I was episodic I found that what worked one cycle or even week might not work the next. 

BTW, I've been playing with the beast now for over 30 years, so I've been through so many changes, but I've learned to live with it to the best of my ability.

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Re: Cluster Period Question
Reply #6 - Dec 25th, 2010 at 11:17pm
 
32 years and I am still eisodic. For most of the first 20 years, they were setting the atomic clocks to the rhythm of my cycles! 8-12 week cycles, spring and fall, 2 attacks a day. Hit my 40's and they went all over the board. Unpredictability is it's nature! Smiley

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Reply #7 - Dec 26th, 2010 at 9:57pm
 
Thanks for the replies! The past three or four days my headaches have been less frequent, but also less predictable (first two weeks they were at identical times, virtually). Something that has really helped out has been taking a pill of excedrin extra strength every 2.5 hours or so. It has 65 mg of caffeine -- like a redbull -- in addition to aspirin and acetaminophen. Keeping a continual dose of caffeine like that preempts a lot of headaches, I think, and the drugs mitigates whatever ones manage to get through. My caffeine tolerance is pretty obscene though, so taking excedrine like that might string out a lot of people....but for me this seems to work better than anything.
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Reply #8 - Dec 26th, 2010 at 10:46pm
 
I'd be careful about taking too much excedrin as you might be getting rebound headaches from it.
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Reply #9 - Dec 30th, 2010 at 7:27am
 
Ditto what Mike said. Excedrin works for me, but I'm very careful not to take too much cause it will cause rebound headaches. Coffee works good and has lots of caffeine. Red Bull works good also.

Hope it's a short cycle for you.. Kiss
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Reply #10 - Dec 30th, 2010 at 8:10am
 
Ya know, for that matter, in the beginning sinus meds helped me as well. Didn't stay effective, but in the first couple of years before they settled into a predictable pattern I'd pop an allergy pill and it helped. I think I've read about this somewhere but what the hey, it's worth a try. But consider better and longer lasting prevents. God bless. lance
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Reply #11 - Jan 3rd, 2011 at 6:52am
 
For myself, I've had clusters since I was 25, I'll be 40 this year. I didn't keep track of them until about 5 years ago. Ever since I've been keeping track I have found for me they have been starting around september or october and last until december, they start out light and climax around 2 weeks before they start to taper off until they are gone for the year.

This year they didn't start until December, I have no idea why. From what I've read here and other places and from my own experience there will probably be a pattern, but like I said mine just changed this year for some reason.
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Reply #12 - Jan 3rd, 2011 at 10:38am
 
When I was 23 in 1969, I got my first run of this horror and from then on it was my "friend" until 1991. This year will make 20 years since I've had something that I'd call a real cluster attack....they put up with me here anyway....

My 20 minute hits began just about the first week of October every effen year for about four or five weeks. Five a day was the norm, two of them at night. Then one day I'd have maybe two and the next, gone. My next cycle was exactly the same, almost always in late March or early April. This would be the last until October again. Once in 1989, I had a two or three day hit in late July and I have no idea why.

Then in 1991, my fall hit consisted of two or three a days for maybe a week. That was the end. I've not been hit since I was 45. Back then there was really no serious drug that my doctors knew of for the thing. I was lucky in having one that knew what it was. My only serious weapon was this technique I post now and then:

Dr. Wright’s Circulatory Technique:

What follows is a technique learned from my neurologist:

I am not sure what mechanism is triggered by this but whatever it is, at least indirectly helps kill the pain. I do know that this technique has nothing to do with meditation, relaxation, or psychic ability. It is entirely physical and takes some work. It involves concentrating on trying to redirect a little circulation to the arms, hands, or legs. It can described as a conscious circulatory flexing. Increased circulation will result in a reddening and warming of the hands. Try to think of it as filling your hands with redirected blood. The important and difficult part is that it has to be done without interruption through the pain. Do not give up in frustration. It may not work on the first try. Every now and then it will work almost immediately. I lived for those moments. Try experimenting between attacks. You will find that it gets easier with practice.

I was given less than five minutes instruction in the use of method. The doctor, while placing his arm on his desk, showed me that he could slightly increase his arm and hand circulation. After several attempts, I was able to repeat this procedure and use it successfully. I have had about a 75% success rate shortening these attacks. My 20 minute attacks were often reduced to 10 minutes or less. Once proven that I had a chance to effectively deal with this horror, I always gave it a try as I had nothing to lose but pain.

Perhaps it will help if you think of it as trying to fill the arm as if it is were an empty vessel. I used to try to imagine I was pushing blood away from my head into my arm. Use your imagination. There is one man who wrote that his standing barefoot on a concrete floor shortened his attacks. This may be similar as it draws some circulation away from the head. Cold water, exercise, or anything affecting circulation, seems to be worth a try. My suggestion is to not let up immediately when the pain goes. Waiting a minute is probably a good idea. So long as you do not slack off, this has a chance of working.

This technique is very useful while waiting for medication to take effect or when none is available. It costs nothing, is non-invasive, and can be used just about anywhere. It is not a miracle but it helped me deal with this horror. It can be a bit exhausting but the success rate was good enough for me and a cluster headache sufferer will do just about anything to end the pain. It gives us a fighting chance.
I hope this technique is helpful and I wish you the best of luck

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Reply #13 - Jan 4th, 2011 at 1:04am
 
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In general, cycles seem to be more erratic at the beginning, developing into more established patterns later on.  But that's a very, very broad generalization. 

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Reply #14 - Jan 5th, 2011 at 4:57am
 
I am episodic and my cycles are around one and half year, means some times the start of the attackes falls in the spring and some times in the begineing of the automn. as i have have business trips some times the jet lag is a trigger and it cause the start of the cycle , or i remember even whatching the tragedic scenes will cause the start of the cycle.
my attackes are normally in the mid night.
however i am in the pain free times and between the cycle , actually the last cycle was in cotober 2010.
anyway cant forget the pain even duting this time but i am agree with the above firends statement that we shall learn to live with this situation

wish you all pain free times
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Reply #15 - May 10th, 2011 at 5:05am
 
My first cluster period was about 5 years ago and i had one a day for about 2 weeks each attack lasting about 3 hours. this time im having 1 a night(have had a few days pain free) but am currently into week 4, so who knows how long i have left. they can all be different.
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