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eilif Ex Member	Testosterone Dec 31^st, 2010 at 5:52am Two Natrual ways to boost your testosterone level. 1. Boron Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or 2. Vitamin-D3 Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or Happy New Year
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Reply #1 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 7:35am

I'm not challenging the conclusions of these reports but I do want to point out how it's necessary to read the subtle qualifiers in both reports.

These are not established treatments and a fair amount of new ideas in medicine turn out to be flashes-in-the-pan. These may be developments worth following for subsequent testing but not to be accepted as a basic element of one's treatment program.

One sentence from each of the two reports:

"Of note, despite decreased proinflammatory cytokines, based on recent clinical data, this must be the FIRST human study report to show an increase level of free testosterone after boron consumption."

"Our results suggest that vitamin D supplementation might increase testosterone levels. Further randomized controlled trials are warranted to confirm this hypothesis."

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eilif Ex Member	Re: Testosterone Reply #2 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 8:06am Hi Bob The best way to test the hypothesis, is to try it yourself. I take 6 mg Boron and 10.000 IU vitamin-D3 per day. Before the supplementation my testosterone level was way to low, but is now in the normal range. So it works for me. CH free for 3 years.
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Reply #5 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 8:48am

Using a treatment on a single person is not a scientific test of the hypothesis. Any single event may be caused by the drug or it can be a random event. And single events don't tell us which is the real cause.

Our messages are full of chatter about this works or doesn't work or, somethich which has worked for me has stopped working, etc. When confronted with this kind of variability it's a problem to declare that "truth" has been discovered. Just reflect on the responses to someone declaring, "I've found the cure for Cluster!" Happens regularly and, regularly, the person is shot down because we have a broad collective experience that such a cure hasn't been found.

If you look at the PDR and see the masses of people on whom a new drug is tried and see the variation in their responses to the drug, you get some idea of the complexity of establishing "truth" in science.

Good science is a long, complex process

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eilif Ex Member	Re: Testosterone Reply #6 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 9:07am Your right. It doesn’t prove anything. But I don't want to wait 10-20 years for randomized controlled trials. Taking Boron and vitamin-D3 are safe, with no side effects. It also boosts your overall health and protects you against cancer, hearth diseases, autoimmune diseases and a lot more. That’s a nice bonus.
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Reply #7 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 10:40am

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Your right. It doesn’t prove anything. But I don't want to wait 10-20 years for randomized controlled trials. Taking Boron and vitamin-D3 are safe, with no side effects. It also boosts your overall health and protects you against cancer, hearth diseases, autoimmune diseases and a lot more. That’s a nice bonus. Wink

And you know this, how? Taking too much of anything can cause side effects. Too much Vitamin D can also interfere with Verapamil (or other calcium channel blockers).

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Reply #8 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 10:44am

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Your right. It doesn’t prove anything. But I don't want to wait 10-20 years for randomized controlled trials. Taking Boron and vitamin-D3 are safe, with no side effects. It also boosts your overall health and protects you against cancer, hearth diseases, autoimmune diseases and a lot more. That’s a nice bonus. Wink

WOW. Since I heat and cook with wood burning stoves I can hardly wait to try this.

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Reply #9 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 10:59am

Potter wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 10:44am:

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Your right. It doesn’t prove anything. But I don't want to wait 10-20 years for randomized controlled trials. Taking Boron and vitamin-D3 are safe, with no side effects. It also boosts your overall health and protects you against cancer, hearth diseases, autoimmune diseases and a lot more. That’s a nice bonus. Wink

WOW. Since I heat and cook with wood burning stoves I can hardly wait to try this.

Potter

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George CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Black-Billed Magpie Posts: 8126 Boise, Idaho USA Gender:	Re: Testosterone Reply #10 - Jan 1^st, 2011 at 8:42am Just in case anyone is wondering, Niels has absented himself again. Since this is the fifth or sixth time he's done so, I doubt it will be the last. Best, George
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Potter CH.com Alumnus Offline Team MOOSE DROOL Stinky Stuff on a Hook Prostaff Posts: 3600 Blgs.Mt. Gender:	Re: Testosterone Reply #11 - Jan 1^st, 2011 at 10:11am He sent me a pm. Sender: eilif (Ex Member) To: vietvet2tours Subject: IDIOT Date: Yesterday at 20:26 One day I will find you, and........ Shocked Just see IDIOT Grin
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Guiseppi CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline San Diego to Florida 05-16-2011 Posts: 12063 SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA USA Gender:	Re: Testosterone Reply #12 - Jan 1^st, 2011 at 10:14am That boy is just not right...... Joe
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Marc CH.com Old Timer Offline Posts: 429 TX Gender:	Re: Testosterone Reply #13 - Jan 1^st, 2011 at 10:20am Potter wrote on Jan 1^st, 2011 at 10:11am: He sent me a pm. Sender: eilif (Ex Member) To: vietvet2tours Subject: IDIOT Date: Yesterday at 20:26 One day I will find you, and........ Shocked Just see IDIOT Grin Interesting that he's willing to put threats in writing. Makes it obvious who the bad guy is afterward.
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Potter CH.com Alumnus Offline Team MOOSE DROOL Stinky Stuff on a Hook Prostaff Posts: 3600 Blgs.Mt. Gender:	Re: Testosterone Reply #14 - Jan 1^st, 2011 at 11:01am What....me worry? Potter
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Dallas Denny 62 CH.com Old Timer Offline Semper Fi !!!! Posts: 295 Island Bayou Mushroom Farm Gender:	Re: Testosterone Reply #15 - Jan 1^st, 2011 at 11:24am I gotta find time this new year to hang out here more.....there's wayyyy more funny chit goes on here than at clusterbusters Dallas Denny
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Linda_Howell CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Do not feed the Moderators Posts: 11927 Santa Maria, Ca. Gender:	Re: Testosterone Reply #16 - Jan 1^st, 2011 at 11:38am Neils' incarnations are really getting tiresome. Watch your back Potter.
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Potter CH.com Alumnus Offline Team MOOSE DROOL Stinky Stuff on a Hook Prostaff Posts: 3600 Blgs.Mt. Gender:	Re: Testosterone Reply #17 - Jan 1^st, 2011 at 11:43am Linda_Howell wrote on Jan 1^st, 2011 at 11:38am: Neils' incarnations are really getting tiresome. Watch your back Potter. I'm gonna watch my front......it's -41. Potter
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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Testosterone Reply #18 - Jan 1^st, 2011 at 12:08pm Keep your jewels close and warm....
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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Testosterone Reply #19 - Jan 1^st, 2011 at 12:13pm Dallas Denny 62 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2011 at 11:24am: I gotta find time this new year to hang out here more.....there's wayyyy more funny chit goes on here than at clusterbusters I go there to feed my brain. I come here to feed my soul.
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Marc CH.com Old Timer Offline Posts: 429 TX Gender:	Re: Testosterone Reply #20 - Jan 2^nd, 2011 at 1:54am Potter wrote on Jan 1^st, 2011 at 11:01am: What....me worry? Potter Other way around. A man making a comment like that is handing me a solid "self defense" position if something were to happen to him. Seems kinda counter productive to me. Best, Marc
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Re: Testosterone
Reply #21 - Jan 2^nd, 2011 at 10:48am

Potter wrote on Jan 1^st, 2011 at 10:11am:

He sent me a pm.

Sender: eilif (Ex Member)
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One day I will find you, and........ Shocked Just see IDIOT Grin

You're not alone Potter...Ghassi sent me a lovely PM too after warning others not to open his attachment the other day. It was hard to decipher because of the broken english. Kinda like get a message from Yoda....Upset with me he was. Open message why you tell others not to. Not what you're talking about you know. Grin

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Guiseppi CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline San Diego to Florida 05-16-2011 Posts: 12063 SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA USA Gender:	Re: Testosterone Reply #22 - Jan 2^nd, 2011 at 10:51am Banished from the site he was....avoider of the dark side you must be!! Joe
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his wife CH.com Old Timer Offline The sweetest sound is my children's laughter Posts: 271	Re: Testosterone Reply #23 - Jan 2^nd, 2011 at 10:53am Guiseppi wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2011 at 10:51am: Banished from the site he was....avoider of the dark side you must be!! Joe LMAO oh wait...OAML
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Potter CH.com Alumnus Offline Team MOOSE DROOL Stinky Stuff on a Hook Prostaff Posts: 3600 Blgs.Mt. Gender:	Re: Testosterone Reply #24 - Jan 2^nd, 2011 at 11:07am I got an old Remington 1100 Semi-auto twelve gauge shotgun and the slum needs a remodel. I would avoid me. Potter
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