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Jan 5^th, 2011 at 4:37pm

Hi, I'm a new member suffering from cluster headaches since 2001. My name is Rick, and I have tried Prednisone (worked a little) and verapamil, which didn't seem to work too well with me. I'm going to see a doctor of osteopathy, whom is going to do something called "cranial manipulation", and I was just wondering if I am wasting $250.00 ... If anyone knows anything about this, I would love to hear feedback! I'm really glad I found a group of people with the same problem as me... for the longest time, people thought I was going insane, and just BS'ing them... EVEN ER doctors!!!

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Reply #1 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 5:03pm

Good luck with that. Unless he can somehow manipulate your hypothalamus, which is pretty much in the center of your brain.

I tried chiropractic for these darned things once. My chiro made me a promise: give her two weeks, three times a week, with both adjustments and follow-up therapy to attempt to get rid of the headaches. If it works, pay me. If it doesn't, you don't owe me a dime.

I ended up not owing her a dime.

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Reply #3 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 5:30pm

Sadly I think it will be a waste of money. If you have CH, your hypothalamus is running a bit weird. No amount of manipulating the cranium will fix that.

Start by reading the oxygen info tab on the left. I abort my attacks in 6-8 minutes just by huffing 02. 32 year episodic sufferer, untreated my attacks used to run anywhere from 90 minutes to 3 hours.

Look into energy drinks, rock star red bull, any containing caffiene and taurine. Chugged at the first hnt of an attack many can abort or reduce the level of their hits.

Most who ttied verapamil unsuccesfully were at way too low a dose..myself included. I was at 120 mg a day and it did nothing for me. Some go as high as 960 mg a day to get relief. If you go to a higher level of verapamil, then go easy on the aforementioned energy drinks, verapamil and taurine don't play well together.

Look at clusterbusters.com for "non traditional" methods of treating CH, some pretty amazing success stories over there, especially from some of our more "med resisant" CH'ers.

I'm glad you found us and reached out to us. Start reading like crazy, an educated CH'er hurts a whole lot less. Welcome home.

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Linda_Howell CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Do not feed the Moderators Posts: 11927 Santa Maria, Ca. Gender:	Re: Osteopathy Reply #5 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 9:56pm Please save your money on the manipulatiions. We have a sufferer here who is a chiropractor who is also a sufferer. He has said here many many times...it will not help. For a Dr. of this method to say this...that means something. Linda
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Reply #8 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 8:40am

Thanks for all the advice; I am cancelling my appointment with the DO, and going to see a General Practitioner today. About the Verapamil, you are right. I was only taking a half a pill everyday! I was reading on here, like you said, and discovered that I need to be taking a larger dose, thank you for clarifying this for me.
All the best,

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Reply #10 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 1:50pm

execchefpierce wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 8:40am:

About the Verapamil, you are right. I was only taking a half a pill everyday!

Be careful about breaking pills in half. If you're using the SR form (Sustained Release) then it is designed to be absorbed over several hours, however breaking it will alter the release rate.

If in doubt, ask your pharmacist first.

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Re: Osteopathy
Reply #11 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 5:12pm

Mike NZ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 1:50pm:

execchefpierce wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 8:40am:

About the Verapamil, you are right. I was only taking a half a pill everyday!

Be careful about breaking pills in half. If you're using the SR form (Sustained Release) then it is designed to be absorbed over several hours, however breaking it will alter the release rate.

If in doubt, ask your pharmacist first.

Correction: This is not the case with SR or ER verapamil you can break a pill in half without altering the SR/ER capabilities. I am on a prescribed dose of 1 & 1/2 totaling 360 mg per day. All the components/ingredients of the pills are mixed in to a powder and then to a paste to make each pill. Each pill no matter which half has all medicinal components/ingredients in it.

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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Osteopathy Reply #12 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 5:23pm But with an newly exposed edge - one without a protective coating - the compressed pill may break down in the gut faster than the manufacturer intended.
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Reply #13 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 6:40pm

Verapamil SR / Calan SR tablet Slow -Release (h)

(h) Tablet is scored and may be broken in half without affecting release characteristics.

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Mike NZ CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Oxygen rocks! D3 too! Posts: 3785 Auckland, New Zealand Gender:	Re: Osteopathy Reply #16 - Jan 7^th, 2011 at 1:57pm My verapamil has the following on the pharmacy label - "Swallow whole, do not crush or chew.". There are multiple manufacturers of verapamil so it is possible that what applies to one may not apply to all. Always consult with your pharmacist before chopping up tablets.
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Re: Osteopathy
Reply #17 - Jan 7^th, 2011 at 5:15pm

Mike NZ wrote on Jan 7^th, 2011 at 1:57pm:

My verapamil has the following on the pharmacy label - "Swallow whole, do not crush or chew.".

There are multiple manufacturers of verapamil so it is possible that what applies to one may not apply to all.

Always consult with your pharmacist before chopping up tablets.

Yes with different variations of medication there are different rules so always check the facts. However with both SR/ER and Regular Verapamil you can break the pills in half without altering the effects.
But never crush or chew them Smiley

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Reply #18 - Jan 8^th, 2011 at 5:35pm

30 years ago my doctor was an Osteopathic Doc. He was very good as a physician. He tried his best to help me. Sent me to the ear-nose-throat guy. Then to the dentist guy. Then to the eye guy. None of those helped.
Then he just handed me his Physician’s Desk Reference book and said “Look through this and when you find your headache let me know”. It worked. Great guy that Osteopath.

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Reply #19 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 9:31am

ER is extended release. The extended release effect is not created by the coating on the tablet.

A tablet is basically a bunch of stuff clumped together. That stuff can be powder and it can be larger particles structured for extended release.

I work in a nursing home, and many of the residents cannot swallow pills whole. So they are crushed and put in apple sauce, for instance. No extended release tablets are prescribed to them. However, they may have time release capsules, which we open and dump into the apple sauce.

I know this post is running long . . . but my understanding is that most CH sufferers are prescribed the short release version, which enables dosage to be fine tuned more easily.

Don't be afraid to take the amount of verapamil that will do the trick. And go out and buy some Metamucil!

Just my personal experience.

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