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Jan 6th, 2011 at 7:44pm
 
Well I'm back and I'm pissed about it.  I have had Cluster's now for over 30 yrs.  I have been doing fantastic for 3 yrs 11 months  and the beast seemed to have found me and I'm paying dearly.  I started about a week ago so they haven't ramped up yet and they should if all goes the way it has in the pass 6-8 weeks then I'm hoping to go back into remission. There is no rhyme or reason as to what triggers them but I'm thinking severe stress may be one of the culprits. My last 3 cycles have been June 01, Feb 07 and now which I was hoping it wasn't clusters but it proved me wrong so I don't have anything on hand.    I'm sorry I haven't been around for a long time but when your feeling good life gets going and raising kids being married and just day to day you don't seem to think about it although when you have these they are never really far from thought.  I'm sure I'm pissing some off but I need help.

I the last go around used O2 15 liters w/non re breathable mask for 15 minutes 1 imitrex pill at bedtime and a nasal imitrex during the day for break through.  Is this still what others are using?  I have tried everything under the sun you name it I tried it up until 5 yrs ago so I'm not sure if anything has changed.  This sure didn't help matters that I'm trying to take care of my husband who just had hip surgery yesterday and will be out of work for 3-4 months.  I can't afford to not be able to help him.  I just want to be able to get through the day and be here for him.  He totally understands what I'm going through and is very upset but he can't do anything about it.  I guess when your down you just need to be kicked a bit more.

Any updates please advise I would greatly appreciate it.

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Reply #1 - Jan 6th, 2011 at 7:49pm
 
Welcome Back Sami!

Sorry you are going through a rough time right now.

Up your O2 to at least 25 ltrs and see about getting the imitrex injections, pills just take to damned long to work.  The nasal works but take longer than the shot of imitrex does.

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Reply #2 - Jan 6th, 2011 at 8:26pm
 
What Ginger said with a couple of additions.  Go to the left of your screen and click on the ch.com store and order an O2ptimask.  It works MUCH better than the old non-rebrether.  for one thing it has a 3 liter bag, so you don't get dribs and drabs of O2, although at 25 lpm I've been known to suck the bag flat for a couple of minutes.  At that rate though I can kill a hit in 5-8 mins.

the other thing is to get some energy drinks like 5 hr Energy (my preference), Red Bull, Monster, etc.  Just be sure it has Taurene in it.  I carry a 5 hr Energy in my pocket at all times for the times I'm away from my O2.  It will knock back a hit for me in about the same amount of time if I get it EARLY and slam it down fast.  It won't totally kill a bad one, but will usually get it down to a functional level.

Tell your hubby I hope he gets back on his feet soon, and as for you, No we aren't upset at you coming back.  We just wish you never had to.  Do some reading.  There are other things that have developed as well.

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I know we are the last things you want to think about when PF, but drop us a line once in a while just to let us know how you are.  Family likes to hear from family.

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Reply #3 - Jan 6th, 2011 at 10:02pm
 
Thank you both your unbelievable with how fast you jumped in and are there to support me.  I could just sit down and cry right now.

First I guess I should tell you I have hypothyroidism and I'm T2 diabetic.  I take thyroid meds which have T3 in it so I have to watch the heart palps.  I take 2000 mgs of Metformin and 2 shots a day of Byetta.  The imitrex pills are as a preventable not an abortive.  I take the nasal spray only because I'm so shot up with needles already that it just seemed to work OK for me.

I'm under a tremendous amount of stress more then normal.  I'm not belly aching just a fact.  I'm really blessed to only have these 6-8 weeks and not like some that have to live with these all the time.  It just seems that when they do come back you are kicked hard because you got a tasted of normal life. 

I was running 5 miles a day 5 days a week.  I had lost 40 lbs and I was eating right and making sure my levels were good. 

My husband has been living with 15 yrs of chronic pain that the doctors kept telling him that there was nothing wrong until the most unlikely source found that he had the same injury that Utley had from the Philadelphia Phillies.  He had surgery yesterday and now will be out of work for 3-4 months without pay.  That's OK because we will be OK but a lot of stress non the less. 

I have to go to court next Wednesday because my son was in an accident 2 yrs ago Thank God he wasn't hurt just a minor incident but the women feels the need to sue him and we have to appear in court. (She ran into the side of his car....I really mean she ran into his car....On two feet)  Insurance feels it's a scam and we have witness but non the less we have to appear.  So all this just isn't at the best time but I still need to believe that I will get through this.

Thank you for just letting me vent and helping me through this very hard time.  I always try to be there for others and they are there for me but just don't understand my headaches accept my husband who has held me many of nights when I thought I couldn't take one more day of it.  He now needs me.  I had to do a cluster today with nothing.  Dr. has not called me back yet so I'm hoping before the next one hits I have something.  Doing these without help really takes a lot out of you.

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Reply #4 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 2:22am
 
Hi Samiam -I think there are very very few here who would begrudge anyone not posting here when out of cycle so you should just forget about that - no worries there, you got enough stress already!

I understand about the imitrex pill as a preventative, as I know some people have some success preventing the first wake up hit at least by taking one before bed.

Your first responders supplied a good summary of some of the best newer trends - stuff that's been tested by a whole lot of members here.

I suppose I can add that 9 mg or more of melatonin at bedtime is preventing the night hits for some CH'ers.

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There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.
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Reply #5 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 8:12am
 
And no one doubts stress can be a trigger. It sounds like there's enough of that in your life. Good luck in court, try and make your priorities the most important things in your life, and fuss with your dr to get you what you need. Not sure if imitrex as a preventative is the best route to go. Discuss alternatives with your dr and maybe there is something else you can try that won't conflict with what you're already using. God bless! lance
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Reply #6 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 5:20pm
 
Samiam wrote on Jan 6th, 2011 at 10:02pm:
  I could just sit down and cry right now.

Don't do that!!   Wink


Samiam wrote on Jan 6th, 2011 at 10:02pm:
Thank you both your unbelievable with how fast you jumped in and are there to support me.

You are quite welcome and We'll leave the light on for ya   Cool

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Reply #7 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 6:06pm
 
Thanks so much.  Today I afraid I'm drifting into depression.  Not like me and I'm sure I'm asking why me and why now.  This will pass because it has to but in the beginning it just seems so long and your out of the loop.

Dr. fought all day for the O2.  I never heard such bullsh** excuses from the health care supply as I did today.  First they told me I never got O2 from them.  Then when I produced a receipt they then changed their answer to the don't accept "Cluster Headaches" as a condition that requires O2 there for they would not supply me with any.  I could not believe that they even said this.  I told them who are they to decide if I need O2 or not.  No good they just repeated their answer.  Even the Doctor called and they told him the same thing.

They did find another place but nothing will happen until Monday so we wait.

I got the Imitrex pills and nasal spray.  9 pills 6 sprays we need to see what my max is and go from there.  I also got 100 Foricet  (sp?)  I know I know not a good mixture but you do what you need to to get you through the day.

I have tried everything out there and nothing works so I use the group of things that work and mix them together.

I gotta start reading and catching up.

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Reply #8 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 7:59pm
 
Samiam wrote on Jan 7th, 2011 at 6:06pm:
Today I afraid I'm drifting into depression.  Not like me and I'm sure I'm asking why me and why now.  This will pass because it has to but in the beginning it just seems so long and your out of the loop.

Dr. fought all day for the O2.  I never heard such bullsh** excuses from the health care supply as I did today.  First they told me I never got O2 from them.  Then when I produced a receipt they then changed their answer to the don't accept "Cluster Headaches" as a condition that requires O2 there for they would not supply me with any.  I could not believe that they even said this.  I told them who are they to decide if I need O2 or not.  No good they just repeated their answer.  Even the Doctor called and they told him the same thing.

They did find another place but nothing will happen until Monday so we wait.


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The best thing for you as for the depression is to talk to your doc about that too and us too of course added support can only help.

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We have all heard a lot of BS with regards to CH'ers trying to get O2 and coming up against one brick wall or another.  It's a never ending aggravation it seems and unfortunately I don't see a lot of positive changes in this regard (Did I mention never ending aggravation?!)

I am glad you have a doc that will fight for you to get the O2, many will not including my current Neuro (the A$$!) !   

If you are not able to get the O2 by prescription you may have to go the Welders O2 route.  Find a welders supply co. and go in tell them that you make jewelery or are taking up welding as a hobby and that you need O2.  Many here have had to go that route and they can help you set up the O2 so that you can use it for CH. 

You maybe luckier in the Philly area with this than I've been here in Wilkes Barre they seem to be real sticklers around here and so far I am still without the O2 that would help me.  I settle for the Imitrex nasal, Imitrex shots and when I run out of them I suffer, as ins. co's don't like to cover what a CH'er needs for these meds per mo.  I do have an O2 concentrator but it doesn't work that well since it only goes up to 7lpm and is a real power hog. 

Sending PF Wishes and Praying you can get the O2!!
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Reply #9 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 8:06pm
 
Please, Please, Please be careful with the Fioricet!  I've been down that road, and it is not One that I would want to go down again!  It is to easy to think I'll take just one more and it will all go away until one more says I'll take you.  I went through three months of sheer misery trying to kick that stuff almost 30 yrs ago, and I won't even let it in my house because I'm afraid I'll want "just one more.  If all else fails, go to a welding shop and get a tank, buy a regulator on EBAY and get an O2ptimask from the CH.com store.  You'll be set up then for whenever you need it, and you don't have to worry about a script.  The O2 comes from the same tank as the medical grade.  The only difference is the tank.  See the oxygen info tab on the left or ask questions and someone will walk you through it.

As to the stress, and I agree you have your fair share and a couple of other people's too, stop and ask yourself what difference it will make in 100 yrs and go on and enjoy life.  Think of the 3-4 months with your hubby as a second honeymoon and make the most of it!  Have fun!

I've got T2 diabetes too, so I can understand where you are coming from there.  That can be a real drag, esp with the stress, but it is not something you can't handle.  You are a clusterhead!  When you get stressed and need to vent we are here.  We won't let you whine, but venting is good.

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Reply #10 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 10:27pm
 
Hi Jerry,

I have been down the foricet route also.  I use to pop them like candy going through 150 of them in 3 weeks.  Funny thing is once the pain stopped I put the pills under the sink and forgot about them.  I never had a hard time coming off of them.  My problem was the rebound h/a's that I would get.  I have had stadol, morphine. Percocets, Dilaudid and a bunch more.  The foricet will be used as a last resort.  I don't like it and hopefully Monday will bring my O2.

I found a place that will give me the M tanks for 25 dollars a tank w/refills of 25 dollars.  Not real bad if I have to go that route they will have to clear it with their supervisor.  I just have to get through this weekend.  Monday starts a new fight. 

Oh I called my Neuro which I haven't seen in 4 yrs and I can get an appointment in 4 weeks....what a joke that God my MD has a clue as to how to help me.  Not perfect but as least a clue.

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Reply #11 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 11:13pm
 
I feel for you Sam, I had a freaking  WAREHOUSE FOREMAN tell me a demand valve was not effective for the treatment of clusterWe still have so far to go in education! headaches.  Wink

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I have had stadol, morphine. Percocets, Dilaudid and a bunch more.  The foricet will be used as a last resort.  I don't like it and hopefully Monday will bring my O2.


Yeah, these sound attractive, and when the pain is worst, anything that might work sounds good. The problem is, they don't. Prayers for the O2 and the relief it brings. Blessings. lance
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Reply #13 - Jan 8th, 2011 at 9:57am
 
Has any of you did the Steroid thing?  I did this about 10 yrs ago I believe at that time it was Predisone with a rapid taper to try to break the cycle.  I remember it not working.  I'm doing this again but not using the predisone but the Medrol dose pack the 6,5,4,3,2,1 Instead of taking it as prescribed where you take 2 before breakfast 2 before lunch and 2 before dinner he told me to take all of them first thing in the morning and follow this for the next 5 days.  I'm willing to try anything right now and I'm sure it will screw up my sugar so I will have to really watch.  And to top it off of course it's snowing here which really screws my head up with the pressure but I'm starting my count down and I gotta remember that this to shall pass.....or at least I'm hoping this cycle will. Between the clusters and my husbands surgery we both should be good somewhere in March....LOL  Talk about feeling old.... Wink

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Reply #14 - Jan 8th, 2011 at 11:11am
 
For a small percentage of CH'ers, a steroid taper will actually snap a cycle. For the majority of us, myself included, it gives us a short break from the beast. It's typically used while your doc starts you on a prevent. Most prevents take several days, up to two weeks to become effective. The short steroid burst gives you some pain free time while that happens. Long term use of the steroids is bad mojo, can really wreak havoc with a lot of your internal organs and joints.

Yeah it passes...but sometimes it takes it's sweet time doing so... Cry  hang in there.

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Reply #15 - Jan 8th, 2011 at 11:26am
 
Well even though your doc doesn't sound knowledgeable about treating CH, he at least sounds like a good guy, the way he fought for you with the unbelievably INSANE O2 supply place,  Sad

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Reply #16 - Jan 8th, 2011 at 1:36pm
 
I know about the steroids.  I was on them for 2 yrs and gained almost 60 lbs.  I had adrenal problems.  We still keep an eye on my Cortisol levels. 

The steroids are the reason why I'm a T2 diabetic.  We thought that once I lost the weight that my sugar would return to normal it never did.  I also am convinced that my problems stem from a damaged hypothalamus.  I have T2 diabetes.  I have Central hypothyroidism but my thyroid is OK and I have adrenal problems and clusters.  All of the test point to not normal results.  I have to take a high dose of thyroid meds.  I also take 2000 mgs of Metformin and 2 shots a day of byetta and my glucose never seems to move.  I'm not real high maybe around 130 with the meds.  But they are perplexed as to why I'm like this.

Believe it or not I am much calmer on steroids.  Now do you think that they will extend my cycle or just help me through it?
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Reply #17 - Jan 8th, 2011 at 2:31pm
 
Steroids will cause your sugars to fluctuate.  You are right, you will have to watch them. 

I don't know if it will stop the CH or not.  For some it works, for others, not.  It's basically a crap shoot sometimes, but I'm with you in that I probably would try them.  You know the dangers and know what to look for.  I wish you the best.

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Reply #18 - Jan 8th, 2011 at 11:25pm
 
Stress is absolutely a cycle trigger.  Looking back, there was a great deal of stress before each cycle. 

Steroids if nothing else, are a wonderful break.  A dose of dexamethasone gives me a solid week of no headaches.  Works much better than prednisone for me.  It's perfect for letting a preventative get to a working level, like verapamil.

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