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Had First Neurologist Visit Today
Jan 18th, 2011 at 1:03pm
 
I've been dealing with CH for a few years now, though I never heard of the term "cluster headache" until about 6 months ago. Started doing some research and found that it very much described my problems.

3 weeks ago the pain was so bad my mother took me to the ER. The doctor said my descriptions of the pain, frequency, etc. led him to believe I was suffering from CH. He recommended a neurologist, but after doing some research it did not sound like a doctor by whom I wanted to be treated. So a little more time online allowed me to find a neuro who came very highly recommended by CH and other headache sufferers.

My visit today was great. He (not an assistant) saw me and asked me loads of questions, and was very attentive to my responses and additional input. He sounded certain that I am suffering from CH and is going to try as hard as possible to help me with them.

He prescribed for me Verapamil, which I am to take daily and will hopefully help prevent future attacks. I also mentioned Oxygen Therapy and am glad I did. The doctor was almost like, "Oh yeah, that's a great idea! I'm sorry I didn't think of it." So he also wrote me a prescription for high flow O2; now I just need to do the leg work and find out where around my home I am able to fill such a script.

I really feel like this is the first day of the rest of my life. I kicked the alcohol habit 10 months ago and my life has gotten much better since then, but I am always in fear of the CH and when I get them I am absolutely useless for a week or so. I hate having to live like that, and am hoping that I am now on the road to never having to live that way again.

Many thanks to CH.com and everyone here; I would never have known to ask for 02 without this site, and it also helped me accurately describe my symptoms to the doctor. Wishing everyone a pain-free day today.
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Re: Had First Neurologist Visit Today
Reply #1 - Jan 18th, 2011 at 2:22pm
 
How nice to hear from a satisfied "customer" for a change!

Re. Verap. You didn't mention dosing, etc. Print this out and use to discuss the program with the doc: it's a widely used protocol.
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Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   

Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.

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Re: Had First Neurologist Visit Today
Reply #2 - Jan 18th, 2011 at 3:10pm
 
That's great news. If your insurance will deal with APRIA, look them up in the phone book and give them a call. I've been using them for many years and am very happy with them. Just remember the keys:

A high flow regulator, minimum 15 LPM preferably 25 or better.

A Non Re Breather Mask.

Get on it fast, as soon as you feel the beast knocking, I can beat his butt in 6-8 minutes by getting on the 02 fast.

Great that you have an understanding doc, makes everythig about the beast easier to take when you know someone gives a darn! Smiley

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Reply #3 - Jan 18th, 2011 at 3:21pm
 
Thanks for the replies, guys.

Bob, I'm starting out on 120mg Verapamil, to be taken up in increments of 120mg if the small dose does not seem to be working. 

I was also given some sample abortives. 2.5mg Zomig, 5mg Zomig & 2.5mg Frova. I am supposed to use these at the onset of an attack to see if they may help me. But I will be filling that O2 script ASAP.

Joe, you're right; it really does help a lot when someone cares. I've had doctors in other areas that are just so cold and clinical. The neurologist I saw today was personable, made jokes, and was very understanding and concerned about my condition. I have an appointment to see him in a month to discuss how things are going.
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Reply #4 - Jan 18th, 2011 at 6:12pm
 
You're starting on a pretty low dose at 120mg, so don't be too surprised if you need to go to 360 - 480 (helps most people) or higher (some go to 960+).

It can also take 1-2 weeks for a dose change to become effective, so don't change it too quick thinking it's not working yet.
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Reply #5 - Jan 18th, 2011 at 7:14pm
 
I'm somewhat concerned about knowing if I'm taking the correct dosage because I'm not in cycle right now. Guess I'll just follow the doc's orders until I get another one (which hopefully will be a while).
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Reply #6 - Jan 19th, 2011 at 7:40am
 
Snarf wrote on Jan 18th, 2011 at 7:14pm:
I'm somewhat concerned about knowing if I'm taking the correct dosage because I'm not in cycle right now. Guess I'll just follow the doc's orders until I get another one (which hopefully will be a while).


Don't be concerned. Not getting CHs is not getting CHs, whether you're in cycle and the abortive is working, or out of cycle and you are (for now at least) pain free. The thing is to follow drs orders as you suggest and while you're pf, rejoice! If they come back and you need to up the dose to get pf, and it works, rejoice! See? May I add my joy to yours over having found a listening and informed neuro. Blessings! lance
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