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Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach
Reply #25 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 11:40pm

wimsey1 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 8:40am:

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Any activists here?

You still haven't answered the question, "do you personally suffer from CHs?" But then again, I don't think I'd believe you if you said you did. That opportunity came and went a long time ago. I agree with Brew. Get your own website. lance

So you mean I have to be a CH sufferer to be able to treat it. That means the doctors should have all the diseases, isn't it?

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Reply #26 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 1:46am

Perhaps a more pertinent question is... Has anyone diagnosed with CH ever been treated with Su Jok Therapy? If so, can you describe the results of such treatment? Are published results available for viewing anywhere? (Aside from your own website, of course.)

If not, well... there's really not much to be said, is there?

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Reply #27 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 12:51pm

George wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 1:46am:

Perhaps a more pertinent question is... Has anyone diagnosed with CH ever been treated with Su Jok Therapy? If so, can you describe the results of such treatment? Are published results available for viewing anywhere? (Aside from your own website, of course.)

If not, well... there's really not much to be said, is there?

Best,

George

Dear George
You are the first one discussing this subject in a logical way, thank you.

However, I should notify that:
1. If a disease has not been treated in the past, it does not mean it will not be treated in the future.
2. In Su Jok and many holistic medicine styles CH is only a name, it is like many other headaches, but the cause is more important which is different from person to person.
3. By using a rubber band we are not that much working on the cause, we are suppressing the effect without the side effects of drugs. This might help a lot.
4. Since in holistic approach a headache is a headache and there is not that much difference energetically from type to type, a method working on one type is effective on the others. And yes we have tested it on different types and I am sure it would be effective on CH too.
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6. You may also visit our facebook page where people are testing Su Jok on different problems and reporting the effects (in Persian, could be translated via google):
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Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach
Reply #28 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 1:26pm

Re. your last post, #27 and item 3:

This where we must differ with you. The general goal of controlling pain, which you note, is, potentially, a very dangerous approach for people with Cluster Headache. We are increasinglly aware that a number of quite serious, even life threatening, disorders APPEAR to be uncomplicated cluster headache. In reality, they may be symptoms which mask a much more serious disorder.

The point being: suppressing/controlling pain only may leave us comfortable but in danger. Therefore, we need to diagnose the source of our pain so that we do not misdiagnose a potentially dangerous condition.

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Reply #30 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 2:07pm

Bob Johnson wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 1:26pm:

Re. your last post, #27 and item 3:

This where we must differ with you. The general goal of controlling pain, which you note, is, potentially, a very dangerous approach for people with Cluster Headache. We are increasinglly aware that a number of quite serious, even life threatening, disorders APPEAR to be uncomplicated cluster headache. In reality, they may be symptoms which mask a much more serious disorder.

The point being: suppressing/controlling pain only may leave us comfortable but in danger. Therefore, we need to diagnose the source of our pain so that we do not misdiagnose a potentially dangerous condition.

Thank you.
1. However in all style of treatment, in acute phase of any disease the main goal is suppressing the pain. Like Kidney stones in acute phase.
2. As I previously mentioned when you are working on microsystems (Hand, foot, ear ...) You are not treating the problem, It is the BODY itself.
3. Although we are not "Working THAT MUCH on the cause", it is however a hybrid system, because it is the body itself that decides and defines the how to process. It is a process like this
a. I received a command to compress the energy expanded on my head
b. Is it good for me? Yes. lets follow the command.
c. How could it be done?
d. Let's change the direction of the energy upside down.
e. How could it be done?
f. Activate the kidneys, cool the system ....
g. How? ....

This is some how self treatment which is of great value.

I have seen it in treating Obesity with a rubber band on the palm of the hand. Usually after 2 or 3 days you will see changes in appetite, desired type and amount of food, sleep, happiness, heat, .... showing liver, kidney and spleen activation

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Potter CH.com Alumnus Offline Team MOOSE DROOL Stinky Stuff on a Hook Prostaff Posts: 3600 Blgs.Mt. Gender:	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #31 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 2:11pm So you can cure cancer with this therapy? Potter
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Batty CH.com Veteran Offline I thought it was CH...but my helmet is too tight! Posts: 210 E'Port Cheshire UK Gender:	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #32 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 2:26pm Salam Ghiassi.....
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Reply #33 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 2:32pm

Potter wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 2:11pm:

So you can cure cancer with this therapy?

Potter

If the cause of any problem in physical body is imbalances of the energy system, regulating this system could cure any diseases if done in the proper time. There is nothing specific about cancers.

Ask yourself
Who has generated your fingers, Liver, kidneys, Lungs ...
Who has all these years repaired your knees, teeth, skin ...
What has happened to this system that is not repairing them any more causing knee pain, tooth decays, skin dryness
Is it impossible to activate the system again?

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Reply #34 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 2:54pm

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Potter wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 2:11pm:

So you can cure cancer with this therapy?

Potter

If the cause of any problem in physical body is imbalances of the energy system, regulating this system could cure any diseases if done in the proper time. There is nothing specific about cancers.

Ask yourself
Who has generated your fingers, Liver, kidneys, Lungs ...
Who has all these years repaired your knees, teeth, skin ...
What has happened to this system that is not repairing them any more causing knee pain, tooth decays, skin dryness
Is it impossible to activate the system again?

Now you're waffling.

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Reply #35 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 3:54pm

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Potter wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 2:11pm:

So you can cure cancer with this therapy?

Potter

If the cause of any problem in physical body is imbalances of the energy system, regulating this system could cure any diseases if done in the proper time. There is nothing specific about cancers.

Ask yourself
Who has generated your fingers, Liver, kidneys, Lungs ...
Who has all these years repaired your knees, teeth, skin ...
What has happened to this system that is not repairing them any more causing knee pain, tooth decays, skin dryness
Is it impossible to activate the system again?

Ghiassi

Its a thing called

TIME

and as you know

""Sie sagen Zeit, sind das Feuer, in dem wir brennen!"

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Batty CH.com Veteran Offline I thought it was CH...but my helmet is too tight! Posts: 210 E'Port Cheshire UK Gender:	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #37 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 4:48pm POTTER! your'e not on the right page! Get GENERATIN! Smirnoff (Vodka)
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Reply #38 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 7:24pm

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Ghiassi

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Reply #40 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 11:41pm

Batty wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 3:54pm:

Ghiassi

Its a thing called

TIME

and as you know

""Sie sagen Zeit, sind das Feuer, in dem wir brennen!"

Salam

Yes it is called time.
Instead of testing the free method you are all in struggle of prejudgments, suffering CH for more and more days.

Drug sellers have been so successful working on your minds, or you are drug sellers yourself. It looks like everyone is deaf and blind. How could it be possible for a human being to deny a method like this without testing it?

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Reply #41 - Feb 21^st, 2011 at 12:24am

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Reply #42 - Feb 21^st, 2011 at 8:42am

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You may also stick Beans on the painful points with adhesive tape every night, do the massage on the beans and let them remain till the morning then through away. Since your body has already banished the disease to that point, stimulating all night long with this method will help your kidneys a lot.

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So all you have to do is to use a rubber band on top of your thumb.

This is what you think of people who do not do as you say?

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Drug sellers have been so successful working on your minds, or you are drug sellers yourself. It looks like everyone is deaf and blind.

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How could it be possible for a human being to deny a method like this without testing it?

How is it possible?

Apart from your drug reasoning, you spoke of deaf and blind. Did you miss this?

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If you don't think snapping a rubber band on your finger will help, THEN DON'T FUCKING TRY IT. If you think it's a stupid idea, MOVE ON to something else.

You followed up unsurprisingly less helpful.

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Drug sellers have been so successful working on your minds, or you are drug sellers yourself. It looks like everyone is deaf and blind.

That's how it's possible.

moving on.

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Reply #44 - Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 7:13am

Scientific Algorithm:
1. Define treatment method
2. Test it.
3. Efective? Yes > explain how (scientifically)
               No > end

Clusterheadache.com Algoritm:
1. Define treatment method
2. Is it simple? > Yes. > End          (Brew)
Say "go away" > End             (Brew)
Is it too good?> Yes. > End          (Jeannie)
From New comers?> Yes. > End          (Mosaicwench)
From Iran?> Yes. > End          (thebbz)
CH Sufferer? No. > End          (37-41withrestrictions)

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Reply #45 - Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 7:30am

Ghiassi algorithm:

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Since in holistic approach a headache is a headache and there is not that much difference energetically from type to type, a method working on one type is effective on the others. And yes we have tested it on different types and I am sure it would be effective on CH too.

Does this sound like getting financial advice from a drive-thru window by the teenager handing you your burgers and change?

Yes >> End.

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Ghiassi Ex Member	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #46 - Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 7:35am Kevin_M wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 7:30am: Does this sound like getting financial advice from a drive-thru window by the person handing you your burgers and change? Yes >> End. Not Scientific
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Kevin_M CH.com Sponsor Offline withered branches grow green again. Posts: 8754 Michigan, USA Gender:	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #47 - Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 7:46am just true Quote: Not Scientific Humorous coming from a premise with an untestable position. Quote: And because those malfunctions are mostly at the energetic level, they could not be seen in medical tests.
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deltadarlin CH.com Alumnus Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 3823 Downsville LA Gender:	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #48 - Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 8:45am When you complete a double blind study with people who have actually been diagnosed with clusters, please come back and post the results.
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Reply #49 - Feb 22^nd, 2011 at 12:20pm

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Scientific Algorithm:
1. Define treatment method
2. Test it.
3. Efective? Yes > explain how (scientifically)
               No > end

Clusterheadache.com Algoritm:
1. Define treatment method
2. Is it simple? > Yes. > End          (Brew)
Say "go away" > End             (Brew)
Is it too good?> Yes. > End          (Jeannie)
From New comers?> Yes. > End          (Mosaicwench)
From Iran?> Yes. > End          (thebbz)
CH Sufferer? No. > End          (37-41withrestrictions)

Let's cut to the chase.

Near as I can tell, (obfuscation aside), taping beans to the knuckles and putting rubber bands around the thumbs of people diagnosed with cluster headaches hasn't been tried. If I'm reading all this correctly, you want us to be the ones to try it, and let you know how it goes.

I understand that you're "sure" it will work, and that you believe Su Jok Therapy can "cure" cluster headaches.

Well, you can ask...and you've asked--repeatedly. If people don't want to bother, that's up to them.

Just in the past year, people have told us we can "cure" CH with long hikes in the hot sun, by standing on our heads, or by massaging bubbles out of our sinuses until we hear "oxygen-like noises". Never mind some of the previous claims that colloidal silver, oxygenated water, dilute solutions of saltwater and other nostrums will "cure" us.

Using the "cure" card around here is a pretty good way to ensure that you won't be taken seriously. That dog don't hunt.

Just an observation, FWIW.

Best,

George

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