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Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach
Reply #50 - Feb 22nd, 2011 at 1:21pm
 
George wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 12:20pm:
Using the "cure" card around here is a pretty good way to ensure that you won't be taken seriously.  That dog don't hunt.


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Prejudgment.
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Reply #51 - Feb 22nd, 2011 at 1:22pm
 
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George wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 12:20pm:
Using the "cure" card around here is a pretty good way to ensure that you won't be taken seriously.  That dog don't hunt.


Thank you.
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Prejudgment.

What are your credentials?

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Reply #52 - Feb 22nd, 2011 at 1:28pm
 
Potter wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 1:22pm:
What are your credentials?

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Step 1 is done.
Go to step 2 and test it.
Otherwise leave it.
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Reply #53 - Feb 22nd, 2011 at 1:32pm
 
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Potter wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 1:22pm:
What are your credentials?

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Step 1 is done.
Go to step 2 and test it.
Otherwise leave it.

How bout answering my question.  List of accredited Universities and degrees attained.

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Reply #54 - Feb 22nd, 2011 at 1:35pm
 
Potter wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 1:32pm:
How bout answering my question.  List of accredited Universities and degrees attained.

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Even if not being tested or known doesn't mean it is not working.
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Reply #55 - Feb 22nd, 2011 at 1:48pm
 
So here's a "science" question for you...

If you can't get anyone to try putting a rubber band around their thumbs, are you going to give up on us as a bad job? 

After all--you're trying to gather some sort of anecdotal data (again, as near as I can tell).  If there's no data, there's no science.  Doesn't look as if you've gotten any takers.

If headaches are "all the same" in accordance with holistic principles, then you might consider talking to some people with tension headaches to see what they have to say.  There are a lot more of them than there are of us.

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Reply #56 - Feb 22nd, 2011 at 2:07pm
 
George wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 1:48pm:
So here's a "science" question for you...

If you can't get anyone to try putting a rubber band around their thumbs, are you going to give up on us as a bad job? 

After all--you're trying to gather some sort of anecdotal data (again, as near as I can tell).  If there's no data, there's no science.  Doesn't look as if you've gotten any takers.

If headaches are "all the same" in accordance with holistic principles, then you might consider talking to some people with tension headaches to see what they have to say.  There are a lot more of them than there are of us.

Best,

George


Not Scientific.
Trying to guess the future
and offering unrelated suggestions
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Reply #57 - Feb 22nd, 2011 at 2:11pm
 
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Well, good luck with that.  And I mean that in the most scientific way.

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Reply #58 - Feb 22nd, 2011 at 11:34pm
 
Heck I'll try the rubber band trick ... I was willing to snort cayenne at the recommendation of a friend ... so what the hey.  If it works tho I have dibs on the rubber band concession for CH board members!
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Reply #59 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 5:57am
 
deltadarlin wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 8:45am:
When you complete a double blind study with people who have actually been diagnosed with clusters, please come back and post the results.


Not Scientific.
If it has not already been tested, doesn't mean it is not working.
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Reply #60 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 6:04am
 
Kristin wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 11:34pm:
Heck I'll try the rubber band trick ... I was willing to snort cayenne at the recommendation of a friend ... so what the hey.  If it works tho I have dibs on the rubber band concession for CH board members!


Good luck!
Last night I visited one of my patients for the second time. She said her last headache last week was the easiest one and she had no need to use pain killers using a rubber band on her thumb.
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Reply #61 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 9:12am
 
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Kristin wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 11:34pm:
Heck I'll try the rubber band trick ... I was willing to snort cayenne at the recommendation of a friend ... so what the hey.  If it works tho I have dibs on the rubber band concession for CH board members!


Good luck!
Last night I visited one of my patients for the second time. She said her last headache last week was the easiest one and she had no need to use pain killers using a rubber band on her thumb.


not scientific
pure hearsay
no observable data offered
no opportunity to repeat test based on observable data
conclusion: hype not science
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Reply #62 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 10:18am
 
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Reply #63 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 12:45pm
 
Why thank you Potter, I think I now have a complete grasp, will see if it helps tomorrows morning....umm.....post coffee constitutional! Grin

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Reply #64 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 2:02pm
 
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deltadarlin wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 8:45am:
When you complete a double blind study with people who have actually been diagnosed with clusters, please come back and post the results.


Not Scientific.
If it has not already been tested, doesn't mean it is not working.



Weird Science.   Wink

On the other hand, if it has not been tested, it doesn't mean it works, either.

There is simply no evidence.

For the sake of a mental exercise, let's say a person gets a few--oh, let's call it three--people to try the rubber band thing.  If all three report positive results (improbable, I think) then you have a data set of three anecdotal reports.  Anecdotal evidence may be intriguing, yes, but it is not compelling.  In any event, an anecdotal data set consisting of three reports is less interesting than one consisting of--say--one thousand.

Actually, a person would be hard-pressed to call a data set consisting of three anecdotal reports evidence at all.  A data set of one thousand positive anecdotal reports isn't really evidence, either--it's just a bit more interesting than three reports, and merits further study.

deltadarlin wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 8:45am:
When you complete a double blind study with people who have actually been diagnosed with clusters, please come back and post the results.


That's evidence.  It's not conclusive evidence (very little is), but it's better than a few testimonials.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  So far, I haven't seen any evidence whatsoever.  Just your assurance that you're "sure" it will work.

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Reply #65 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 2:07pm
 
wimsey1 wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 9:12am:
not scientific
pure hearsay
no observable data offered
no opportunity to repeat test based on observable data
conclusion: hype not science


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We are in step 2. the method is being tested.
Test it or leave it.
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Reply #66 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 2:20pm
 
George wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 2:02pm:
For the sake of a mental exercise, let's say a person gets a few--oh, let's call it three--people to try the rubber band thing.  ......



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Reply #67 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 2:24pm
 
Potter wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 10:18am:
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  The straight poop.

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Reply #68 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 2:27pm
 
Guiseppi wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 12:45pm:
Why thank you Potter, I think I now have a complete grasp, will see if it helps tomorrows morning....umm.....post coffee constitutional! Grin

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Reply #69 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 2:27pm
 
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George wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 2:02pm:
For the sake of a mental exercise, let's say a person gets a few--oh, let's call it three--people to try the rubber band thing.  ......



Not Scientific.
Trying to predict the future.



Grin 

The "not scientific" thing is getting a little threadbare.  Frankly, it's beginning to sound like "la, la, la, I can't hear you".

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Reply #70 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 2:28pm
 
Quote:
George wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 2:02pm:
For the sake of a mental exercise, let's say a person gets a few--oh, let's call it three--people to try the rubber band thing.  ......



Not Scientific.
Trying to predict the future.


You have a droll sense of humor.  So putting rubber bands on my fingers and hoping it works isn't trying to predict the future?

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Reply #71 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 2:31pm
 
Potter wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 2:28pm:
You have a droll sense of humor.  So putting rubber bands on my fingers and hoping it works isn't trying to predict the future?

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We are not talking about hope.
We are in testing process.
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Reply #72 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 3:00pm
 
George wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 2:27pm:
The "not scientific" thing is getting a little threadbare.  Frankly, it's beginning to sound like "la, la, la, I can't hear you".


La la la la la....

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And he's pretty scientific.
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Reply #73 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 3:06pm
 
Brew wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 3:00pm:
And he's pretty scientific.


We are in step 2. Test it Brew. It will help you get better scientific ideas.
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Reply #74 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 4:21pm
 
I work in the holistic industry and in contact with some of the UK's best. I'm a journalist in this area (& beauty, sports etc).

Honestly I struggled for most of my contacts to realise that an Indian Head Massage, Reiki or Deep Tissue Massage would not cure my headaches. But now they do, if anything I found massage relaxing! But that was all.

I have never heard of Su Jok. Could you provide any further information and history please?
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