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Reply #76 - Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 5:39pm

I have an idea that is a little less vicious than my last suggestion of where to put the rubber band (sorry for the offence, Linda... truly.)

Since you have your facebook page set up, complete with an introductory questionnaire (which is interesting, to say the least) and since 21 people already "Like" you over there (Cluster Headache sufferers I assume?) and since nobody over here seems to really like you, and since everyone here seems to want evidence, how about you come back to us when your facebook fans have completed your questionnaire and your scientific trials, and you have written up a comprehensive, scientific report with scientific data (not testimonials) supporting your hypothesis that your methods will cure cluster headaches?

The people here want evidence. So give them evidence. You are not convincing anyone here to try your method, and since that seems to be your sole aim, then do the logical thing, and stop trying to talk/argue your way to your goal - present everyone with evidence when you have some.

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Reply #77 - Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 7:50pm

[/quote]The people here want evidence. So give them evidence. You are not convincing anyone here to try your method, and since that seems to be your sole aim, then do the logical thing, and stop trying to talk/argue your way to your goal - present everyone with evidence when you have some. [/quote]
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We will always be confronted with people who have ideas which we regard as wrong, nuts, etc. That's not the issue.

The problem is our vanity & ego which drives us to try and convince them of their "error". And so, like a clicking clock, we offer our futile attempts to prove them wrong so that they have a fresh comment to respond to. And it goes on and on--until somone has the sense to say, "ENOUGH!" (But then, DJ is tolerant enough to let our futility cointinue to play out....)

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Melby29 CH.com Junior Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 91	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #78 - Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 8:51pm Maybe just a more figurative way of "banging our heads against the wall"???
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Reply #79 - Feb 24^th, 2011 at 4:30am

Emma_s wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 4:21pm:

I have never heard of Su Jok. Could you provide any further information and history please?

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Reply #80 - Feb 24^th, 2011 at 8:17am

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Although we are not "Working THAT MUCH on the cause", it is however a hybrid system, because it is the body itself that decides and defines the how to process. It is a process like this
a. I received a command to compress the energy expanded on my head
b. Is it good for me? Yes. lets follow the command.
c. How could it be done?
d. Let's change the direction of the energy upside down.
e. How could it be done?
f. Activate the kidneys, cool the system ....
g. How? ....

Here below is an explicit example of his insightful scientific process with this hybrid "how" system.

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How could it be possible for a human being to deny a method like this without testing it?

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Drug sellers have been so successful working on your minds, or you are drug sellers yourself. It looks like everyone is deaf and blind.

So enthralled by his own scientific acumen, he's edited the first post of this thread to include in bold red letters:

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Drug sellers do not usually like these kind of treatments.
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Only faintly diminished in delivery with an affront.

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Drug sellers have been so successful working on your minds, or you are drug sellers yourself. It looks like everyone is deaf and blind.

Here is reaffirmation of his affront equally undiminished by "usually" that it would be drug sellers who would dislike treatments like this.

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Drug sellers do not usually like these kind of treatments.

Debatably very edgy.

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attack ideas and opinions; not personalities.

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wimsey1 CH.com Alumnus Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 2457 MA Gender:	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #81 - Feb 24^th, 2011 at 8:38am It does break up the pattern of a boring day at least. La la la la la...fingers in ears the whole time. Brings out the rebellious teen in me. lance
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Bob Johnson CH.com Alumnus Offline "Only the educated are free." -Epictetus Posts: 5965 Kennett Square, PA (USA) Gender:	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #82 - Feb 24^th, 2011 at 9:20am Melby29 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 8:51pm: Maybe just a more figurative way of "banging our heads against the wall"??? Or, what any experienced sailor knows, "Don't p--- into the wind."
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Guiseppi CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline San Diego to Florida 05-16-2011 Posts: 12063 SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA USA Gender:	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #83 - Feb 24^th, 2011 at 10:20am You don't tug on Supermans cape; You don't spit in the wind; You don't pull the mask off that ole Lone Ranger; And you sure as hell don't push a treatment like this one! Apologies to the late great Jim Croce! Joe
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Bob Johnson CH.com Alumnus Offline "Only the educated are free." -Epictetus Posts: 5965 Kennett Square, PA (USA) Gender:	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #84 - Feb 24^th, 2011 at 11:19am Was walking my dog this morning when I saw a neighbor's car with the bumper sticker: "You don't have to believe everything you think."
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wimsey1 CH.com Alumnus Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 2457 MA Gender:	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #85 - Feb 25^th, 2011 at 7:30am Bob Johnson wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 11:19am: Was walking my dog this morning when I saw a neighbor's car with the bumper sticker: "You don't have to believe everything you think." I like that bumper sticker! lance
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Ghiassi Ex Member	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #86 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 12:58am Kevin_M wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 8:17am: Debatably very edgy. Quote: attack ideas and opinions; not personalities. Have you tested it yet or not? ....
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Ghiassi Ex Member	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #87 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 1:00am wimsey1 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 8:38am: It does break up the pattern of a boring day at least. La la la la la...fingers in ears the whole time. Brings out the rebellious teen in me. lance Not Scientific. Speaking about your past experiences.
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Ghiassi Ex Member	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #88 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 1:02am Bob Johnson wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 9:20am: Melby29 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 8:51pm: Maybe just a more figurative way of "banging our heads against the wall"??? Or, what any experienced sailor knows, "Don't p--- into the wind." Not Scientific. Not related to. You should study the wind direction before.
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Ghiassi Ex Member	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #89 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 1:04am Bob Johnson wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 11:19am: Was walking my dog this morning when I saw a neighbor's car with the bumper sticker: "You don't have to believe everything you think." Not Scientific. Prejudgment.
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Ghiassi Ex Member	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #90 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 1:05am Melby29 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 8:51pm: Maybe just a more figurative way of "banging our heads against the wall"??? Not Scientific. This is not the method defined in any step of the treatment.
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Reply #91 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 1:09am

Bob Johnson wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 7:50pm:

The problem is our vanity & ego which drives us to try and convince them of their "error". And so, like a clicking clock, we offer our futile attempts to prove them wrong so that they have a fresh comment to respond to. And it goes on and on--until somone has the sense to say, "ENOUGH!" (But then, DJ is tolerant enough to let our futility cointinue to play out....)

Not Scientific.
Trying to convince the people that it it wrong.

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Ghiassi Ex Member	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #92 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 1:12am Melby29 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 5:39pm: The people here want evidence. So give them evidence. Not Scientific. Even if there is no evidence it doesn't mean it is not working. I have given many evidences, open your eyes.
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Melby29 CH.com Junior Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 91	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #93 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 1:19am I opened my eyes, but I didn't have my foreign-language interpreter with me so the evidence didn't really make much sense.
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Ghiassi Ex Member	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #94 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 1:24am Melby29 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 1:19am: I opened my eyes, but I didn't have my foreign-language interpreter with me so the evidence didn't really make much sense. You have not opened yet. Only one reference is in Persian which could be translated with google.
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Ghiassi Ex Member	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #95 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 1:27am Another reference in your language: Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or
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Melby29 CH.com Junior Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 91	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #96 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 1:43am Thank you, just to make it easier can you point me in the direction of the part that has the results of the scientific study of the effectiveness of Su Jok therapy as a treatment for neurological conditions?
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Reply #97 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 1:58am

Melby29 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 1:43am:

Thank you, just to make it easier can you point me in the direction of the part that has the results of the scientific study of the effectiveness of Su Jok therapy as a treatment for neurological conditions?

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37-41withrestrictions CH.com Veteran Offline NOT SO PF AT THE MOMENT Posts: 124 Chester UK Gender:	Re: Su Jok Therapy Approach Reply #98 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 5:46am I have had a look at the links in the last post and I can't find anything that specifically relates to CH. There is mention of migraine, as a CH sufferer I don't experience migraines, CH is a diagnosis on its own I see that Su Jok advocates blood letting during a headache
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Reply #99 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 6:30am

37-41withrestrictions wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 5:46am:

I have had a look at the links in the last post and I can't find anything that specifically relates to CH.
There is mention of migraine, as a CH sufferer I don't experience migraines, CH is a diagnosis on its own I see that Su Jok advocates blood letting during a headache Undecided

Dear,
This is not the only Technic. Blood letting is used in acute conditions when you see hotness or heat.

You may not see CH in those texts because it is only a name which is not that important, cause it does not mean all CH patients are the same, as you can not say all people named John are the same. they are all different and those differences are the keys to their treatment. That's why you may not find much large researches in holistic medicine.

And the researches done are all like jokes (If you have a little knowledge about holistic med)

One of the reasons they could not be treated in regular medicine could be ignoring the differences.

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