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Feb 5th, 2011 at 11:14am
 
Hi! My name's Karyn and I'm new here...be patient!!

I've been getting the headaches for about 3 months now....fairly short time compared to everyone else!

I am 20 and I am overweight, however other than that I'm in in good health.

I was wondering if anyone on here has had any sort of head scan, like CT scan, MRI; to rule out something serious?
In particular I would like to know if any British people have had a scan and how you went about it as my doctor seems very reluctant to refer me for one Sad

I would appreciate any help and advice, the headaches are starting to totally take over my life Sad

Thanks!! Smiley
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Reply #1 - Feb 5th, 2011 at 11:39am
 
Welcome to the board. The scans are a very important part of the diagnostic process. There are several rare but "sinister" disorders that must be eliminated as part of a responsible diagnosis. Would suggest you visit  Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; as a resource to answer some of your area specific questions.

So what are you using to treat your headaches? Do you have oxygen yet? Whether you do or not, take a minute and read this link..

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I've been battling the beast for 33 years and nothing beats oxygen for speed of abort, convenience and cost. I went from 90-120 minute rides to abort times running 6-8 minutes just by huffing oxygen.

Do you have any other abortive treatments? Imitrex injectables or nasal spray? Does your doctor have you on any kind of prevents? A daily med to cut down number and/or intensity of attacks? Verapamil, Lithium and Topomax are common prevents.

Have you tried using energy drinks to abort attacks? I prefer sugar free red bull just for the taste but any containing caffiene and taurine will work. Slam one down at the first sign of an attack, will abort or reduce attacks for many.

Pull up a seat and start reading like crazy. A knowledgeable CH'er hurts a whole lot less! Wink

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Reply #2 - Feb 5th, 2011 at 11:41am
 
Hi Karyn and Welcome!
Start reading here and the Veterans will be along shortly to help you answer
a lot of your questions!

You are not alone with this and have just come into a BIG Family gathering!

Best wishes

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Reply #3 - Feb 5th, 2011 at 11:55am
 
I agree with Joe: contact Ouch.UK for issues involving your health care system.

Medical studies report very low positive outcomes from scans even though some serious problems can be found that way. The risk of not doing them is not great.

But, getting a good diagnostic work-up is essential because there are a number of serious disorders which mimic cluster headache. Suggest you print out the following messages and give to your doc. (Many of us have had to educate our docs so that they can give us good care.)

Follow this chain: Medications,  Treatments,  Therapies › Important Topics >Cluster-LIKE headache
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Reply #4 - Feb 5th, 2011 at 12:12pm
 
thank you for getting back to me so quickly!

I have been diagnosed with CH (after 5 trips to my GP and 2 trips to the hospital!!!) but not once has a brain scan been mentioned to help rule out anything serious....I have asked and asked because I am scared/paranoid that there may be something sinister going on but got told I must try different tablets first.

At first I was told either paracetemol, ibuprofen and co-codamol would help but I found all of them far too weak so I was then told to try paramol, which has helped slightly but due to the addictive effects that it may cause, its recommended that you only take them for 3 days...i get headaches everyday!!!
so I went back and was told that sumatriptan was the way to go, I haven't taken any yet (due to money constrictions) but are they effective...and safe? And I have never ever had anyhing of oxygen mentioned to me Sad

I am from the UK so I will try the ouch website for advice relating to the UK then Smiley

So what do people take regulary then for pain relief?

Glad I have found this site....feel like its taken over my life, I have recently failed my exams in university because of the demon!  Sad so I'll keep reading everything!
Thanks again guys!! Cool
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Reply #5 - Feb 5th, 2011 at 12:26pm
 
Hi Karyn
Welcome to this site, I am from the UK and struggled with getting the GP to listen and believe that I am in extreme pain and it was not just a headache.
I think my GP referred me to a neurologist because he was fed up of me!
The GP had prescribed sumatriptan nasal sprays but I was using to many and was giving myself headaches!
Since being seen by a neuro I have started on a preventative (Verapamil) and take sumatriptan when I get an attack, however the verap started off on a miniscule dose and has only just been increased and I have sumatriptan tablets not injections I requested O2 but have  to exhaust all other avenues first!

The biggest mistake I made was not to research CH when I was diagnosed (Ive suffered for years and years but only diagnosed last year)
At my next neuro apt I will be demanding O2 and sumatriptan injections!
The information from this site is fantastic as is the support, its good to know your not alone as it's a lonely place to be in the middle of an attack.
Sue  Smiley

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Reply #6 - Feb 5th, 2011 at 12:36pm
 
Hi Sue Smiley

how many times did you see your doctor before being referred? And have you had any scans of your head?
I have looked all over for reasons why my head was so sore and even though I have been diagnosed with CH, I am still scared and would like to have my mind put at rest.

I am so glad I have found this, learned so much already...think I'm going to teach my doctor some things Tongue and very grateful for everyone's help so far so thank you!! Cheesy

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Reply #7 - Feb 5th, 2011 at 1:06pm
 
A diagnosis of clusters is purely sypmtomatic. I believe 100 % your dr. should have an mri/ct to rule everything else out. In my case, it took over a year and many visits to a GP, neuro and even an eye dr. Had mri and ct of head and chest, as they thought I had migranes and a tumor causing horners ( drooping eyelid / smaller pupil). None of them had any experience with CH's, but kudos to them they at least did research to give my afflicition a name. Have you taken the quiz to the left yet?
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Reply #8 - Feb 5th, 2011 at 2:28pm
 
My impression is that most of our UK folks have the same story to tell abou their docs, i.e., there is a marked absence of training in headache among your docs. Which is to say: you must do, as many of us in the US have done--learn enough about CH so that you can inform the docs on how to care for you. The approach is to get MEDICAL materials here to give to our doc in hopes that he will recognize and respect the source (medical journals, etc.)

Print out these items--both to help you to understand what good treatment involves and to give the doc.

PDF file below and the print out the full article of the abstract which follows.
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Cluster headache.
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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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Also print for your doc:

Curr Opin Neurol. 2009 Jun;22(3):247-53.
Neuroimaging in trigeminal autonomic cephalgias: when, how, and of what?

Wilbrink LA, Ferrari MD, Kruit MC, Haan J.

Department of Neurology, Leiden University Medical Centre, Leiden, The Netherlands.

PURPOSE OF REVIEW: Trigeminal autonomic cephalgias (TACs) are characterized by frequent, short-lasting headache attacks with ipsilateral facial autonomic features. They include CLUSTER HEADACHE, paroxysmal hemicrania, and short-lasting unilateral neuralgiform headache attacks with conjunctival injection and tearing. The pathogenesis of TACs is largely unknown, but many case reports in the literature suggest that TACs are secondary to structural lesions. Thus, the question arises whether TAC patients should undergo neuroimaging. Here, we review the recent literature on secondary TACs and attempt to formulate guidelines for neuroimaging. RECENT FINDINGS: Recently, we published two reviews of, in total, 33 case reports of patients with a secondary TAC or TAC-like syndrome. Since then, 23 additional cases have been published. Here, we provide a summary of these 56 case reports. TACs were found to be associated with a wide range of both intracranial and extracranial neurovascular and structural lesions. We could not identify a 'typical' clinical warning profile for secondary TACs as these patients could present with clinical features that are entirely characteristic of a TAC, including alternating attack and attack-free periods, and excellent response to TAC-specific treatments.

SUMMARY: EVEN CLINICALLY TYPICAL TACS CAN BE CAUSED BY STRUCTURAL LESIONS. THERE ARE NO 'TYPICAL' WARNING SIGNS OR SYMPTOMS. NEUROIMAGING SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN ALL PATIENTS WITH TAC OR TAC-LIKE SYNDROMES, NOTABLY IN THOSE WITH ATYPICAL PRESENTATION. DEPENDING ON THE DEGREE OF SUSPICION, ADDITIONAL IMAGING SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ASSESSING INTRACRANIAL AND CERVICAL VASCULATURE, AND THE SELLAR AND PARANASAL REGION.

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Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't

PMID: 19434790 [PubMed]
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Reply #9 - Feb 5th, 2011 at 3:02pm
 
And as far as what we take for the pain...it's generally not possible to treat the "pain" of a CH attack. It tends to be so severe that absent knocking you out, meds won't help.

The trick then is to either prevent it.....that's what we talk about with the daily meds, Verapamil, Lithium etc. Also, learn your triggers, alcohol is a common trigger, my other triggers are sustained stress, sleep cycle disruptions, and getting really really hungry. With a good prevent med, (I use lithium) and avoiding triggers, you can really reduce the number of hits.

You'll find you can't prevent all the attacks, that's where the abortives come in. An attack begins, you need to stop the mechanism of pain, before it really digs its claws in.

Oxygen has almost eliminated all other aborts for me. I still keep the imitrex injections around when on cycle, for when I get caught away from my oxygen, (I almost NEVER let that happen!)..or for the rare time when oxygen won't beat the beast back. The imitrex injectables and nasal sprays are great abortives, but expensive, and generally no better then my oxygen.

Don't let them give you imitrex pills, they tend to take too long to be absorbed to be of any use to a CH'er. Pay attention to the material Bob Johnson gives you to read, he is an awesome researcher and his stuff tends to be the latest and greatest.

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Reply #10 - Feb 5th, 2011 at 5:08pm
 
Hi Karyn,

Firstly,hats off to Guisseppi and others for piping right in with the O2 recommendation. That's the good stuff.  Smiley

Now I've heard that it is possible with your NHS to basically demand to see a headcahe specialist - hopefully this is true, because your current doctor, like most doctors in the US and UK is an ignorant BONEHEAD about CH.

Sumatriptan (AKA Imigran,Imitrex) injections are an extremely effective abortive. Sumatriptam pill form - not so much.

Sumatriptan's safety is controversial, as is the tendency for some to experience rebound attacks with it.

You'd have a practically iron clad CH attack killing arsenal if you were to use O2 as a first line abort, imitrex injections as a back up. I've taken this approach (along with a preventative) with 100%  success. You also mentioned the Sumatriptan expense (didn't realize that was an issue in the UK?). This imitrex tip details how to get 3 times as much for your money and lessen the risk of side effects to boot:Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

Don't wig all out imagining you have a freeking brain tumor, gee willikers.  Cheesy Yes, get that MRI ASAP to rule it out, but in the meantime don't get all worked up over something that is unlikely like that, it's a waste of time and effort.  Cool

Some CH'ers are abandoning the pharmaceuticals and turning to nature's powerful and effective (but not without temporary side effect!) preventative. Here's a Newseek (US mainstream news magazine) article on the subject: Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register



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CH according to Bejeeber:

Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.
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Reply #11 - Feb 6th, 2011 at 6:31am
 
Karyn wrote on Feb 5th, 2011 at 12:36pm:
Hi Sue Smiley

how many times did you see your doctor before being referred? And have you had any scans of your head?
I have looked all over for reasons why my head was so sore and even though I have been diagnosed with CH, I am still scared and would like to have my mind put at rest.

I am so glad I have found this, learned so much already...think I'm going to teach my doctor some things Tongue and very grateful for everyone's help so far so thank you!! Cheesy

Regards,
Karyn


Hi Karyn

To be I cant remember how many times I saw the GP and how many I actually saw specifically for the pain in my head, at a guess 15-20 plus, i think the amount of repeat prescriptions was a factor in my referral to the neuro ( as well as being fed up worth me!!!)

I did have a scan in 2000 as the symptoms were very similar to something sinister, crawled into the GP's couldn't sit down, eye was drooping, pain response to light, neck pain , sickness and vomiting, couldn't sleep,change in pupil size...GP sent me straight to the hospital for a CT scan...all normal... (well as normal as I can be!!!!)

I can totally understand how frightened you are that there is something more to the pain, insist on an MRI and take the info that Bob includes in his posts.
Our way over here seems to include exhausting all medications first, and the use of O2 seems to happen only in 'extreme cases' (that is only my experience as a 12 month diagnosed sufferer and may not be typical for the whole country)
When your in the throws of a cluster it's extreme and having access to anything that can abort a hit is vital.
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Reply #12 - Feb 8th, 2011 at 10:50am
 
thanks guys for all the information! I'm going to print it all and take it to the doc's this week.

I had started taking the sumatriptan tablets, and they barely dented my pain so I will ask about the injections Smiley

thanks again and i'll let you know how I get on!!
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