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How long does it take Verapamil to break a cycle?
Feb 11th, 2011 at 8:26am
 
Hi everyone, first time poster here. 

I've been suffering from CH's for about 8 months now.  After spending 3 months taking Atelenol, my doctor finally prescribed a low dosage  (120mg) of Verapamil ER for preventative treatment.  The time on Verpamil has been the only real pain free time I've experienced since I first started having CH's (and I could not be more thankful for the relief its provided!).

Over the past 3 months, Ive tried to quit taking Verapmil twice after experiencing pain free periods of around 30 days (with occasional shadows). Both times, the pain would return after about a week. 

My question for anyone who might have experience with taking verapamil is this: how long of a pain free period on verapamil does it usually take to end a CH cycle so that its safe to try and quit taking Verapamil? Also, when I decide to try and go off the Verpamil, do I need to taper off slowly with as low of a dose as I'm taking?  My doctor had said there was no real need to if the pain had been gone for some time because the dosage was fairly low, however he's not a specialist and I wonder if that's truly the case.

Lastly, is it common for CH sufferers to take Verapamil on a continuous basis for several months?  The pain is perfectly manageable when I've been taking Verapamil for at least a week or so, and I've learned to deal with the more uncomfortable side effects of the medication.  My doctor, however, had described the treatment as temporary when he prescribed Verapamil; as something to take for just as long as it would take to become pain free. 

Thanks for any help or insight you might be able to provide, may your heads be well!
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Re: How long does it take Verapamil to break a cycle?
Reply #1 - Feb 11th, 2011 at 8:35am
 
I've been on verapamil now for 26 years steady. Started with low doses like yours, and found 240mgs/day worked for several years, and then last year busted a 3 year chronic cycle with 400mgs/day. Reports indicate that under a drs care, some have gone as high as 960mgs/day. It takes several weeks for blodd serum levels to rise to an effective preventative level. I would say don't try and get off it until you've had several weeks (maybe as many as 4 weeks) without a hit of any kind. And yes, you need to work with your dr when titrating up or down. Verapamil is a powerful med and changes should be gently progressive. If I haven't answered your questions please write back and we'll try to clarify.

BTW...any attempts to abort with O2? Imitrex? Energy Drinks? Migranol nasal spray? Prednisone taper?  No need to let the hit happen...abort it! Blessings. lance
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Re: How long does it take Verapamil to break a cycle?
Reply #2 - Feb 11th, 2011 at 9:17am
 
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Your doc's approach is out of the norm for the treatment of CH. Wonder if he has experience in treating complex headache disorders. At least keep in mind that working with a headache specialist is firs choice since so many docs lack minimal training/experience dealing with headache.
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Suggest you print out this abstract and give to the doc. His response will suggest idea abou his experience and his receptiveness to new medical information.

In any case, you will see that dosing Verap. is not a one-shot process and, therefore, requires some patience and willingness to adjust dosing. You can't consider when to stop until you have established the dose which works for you--and that may take months. Unless you have other medical conditions which complicate the picture, there is no inherent problem with using Verap for long periods. Yes, so people use it 100% of the time when they have short cycles which are unstable. Most folks stop it a few weeks after it's CLEAR that their active period has stopped.

See the PDF file, below. It will give you a quick picture of the mainline treatments used today. Might also give to your doc and use it as a tool to discuss treatment options.
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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   

Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.

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Re: How long does it take Verapamil to break a cycle?
Reply #3 - Feb 11th, 2011 at 10:45am
 
Welcome to the board Ow. What Lance and Bob said! Smiley I use lithium as my prevent, and my rule of thumb, (worked out with an earlier neuro) is 4 weeks pain free I start to slowly wean off the lithium and see if the beast pokes his head back or not. As Lance stressed, verapamil is a high horse power med, dosings up or down are to be done under a doctors supervision.

Also, are you using anything to abort the attacks, specifically oxygen?

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Then as Bob said, let us know where you're from. Different countries have different rules and meds available. It helps us help you a bit more.

Glad you found us, hope we can help you.

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