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whats going on in wisconsin?
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kinda curious to see how you cheeseheads weigh in on this

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Reply #1 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 5:55pm
 
Simple. The taxpayers have elected someone who is speaking for them for once.
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Reply #2 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 6:55pm
 
doesnt seem simple. any truth to what i posted?
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Reply #3 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 7:37pm
 
What part of it? In the four links you posted, there's a LOT of material.

It's actually quite simple.

The governor has proposed a budget repair bill that takes away the public workers' union to collectively bargain for benefits. We already have civil service laws on the books, since 1905, that provide for fair wages and benefits for state workers.

It also makes into law the notion that public workers should have the right to choose whether or not they want to belong to the union, and takes away the union's right to deduct dues from the workers' paychecks, whether they belong to the union or not. Read this paragraph again and remember it, because I'll come back to this subject below.

It also would require union members to contribute 5% of the cost of their pension contributions, as well as 12% of the cost of their health insurance. Right now they get both virtually free. Bought and paid for by the taxpayers of this state.

The union bosses have the rank and file convinced that the governor is trying to bust their union and has them all jazzed up.

In reality, the proposed law - which has already been passed by the state assembly - says NOTHING about breaking up the union. They would still retain the ability to collectively bargain for wage increases, indexed to the inflation rate.

Which is more than any unionized federal worker enjoys.

This is all about union bosses wanting to be able to continue to extract dues from people who don't necessarily have any desire to belong to their organization.

Additionally, it gives local school districts the power to shop around for health insurance policies for their employees. Right now, fully 85% of all public school teachers in WI are insured by WEA Trust, an insurance company that is a wholly-owned subsidiary of WEAC, the state teachers' union. The average family policy for a member costs the taxpayers of that community $12,000 more than the next highest competitor. Talk about monopolistic tactics.

In other words, it's about money and power, and the inability of the taxpayers of the state of Wisconsin to continue to fund the gravy train. There is ~$150 million shortfall for the remainder of this fiscal year (through May 31) and ~$3.4 billion shortfall for the next two-year budget.

The governor ran on the promise that he would not ask the taxpayers to foot the bill to make up the shortfall. It got him elected. He ran on the premise that state government spends too much and that spending needs to come under control.
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Reply #4 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 7:39pm
 
Walker was elected by the people on the basis of doing exactly what he is doing because the states constitution calls for a balanced budget.  I think it is wrong for teachers and students to be protesting and kids be out of school for last 2 weeks.  It is like everything is on standby around here.  Downtown is a mess    by the capitaol I have lots of friends who work there.  Major overblown in my opinion.
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Reply #5 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 7:49pm
 
thank you for writing that out brew. what you wrote makes sense but how does dave koch play into anything going on in wisconsin?

what is going on up there is about to happen here in ohio.
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Reply #6 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 7:56pm
 
Hey, Brewdude

    Do you think your governor can lend one his testicles to our governor? It's looking like he may be coming up a little short on the "taking care of biz" side.

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Reply #7 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 8:31pm
 
M.R. wrote on Feb 26th, 2011 at 7:56pm:
Hey, Brewdude

    Do you think your governor can lend one his testicles to our governor? It's looking like he may be coming up a little short on the "taking care of biz" side.

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if this is real it sounds like hes kochs bitch. here in ohio kasich ran his campaign on the idea that jobs were being lost under ted stickland. if what was discussed in this phone call was real it sounds to me that kasich is getting ready to cut a bunch of jobs.
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if this is real it sounds like hes kochs bitch. here in ohio kasich ran his campaign on the idea that jobs were being lost under ted stickland. if what was discussed in this phone call was real it sounds to me that kasich is getting ready to cut a bunch of jobs.

It wasn't real, Johnny. It was Ian Murphy POSING as Dave Koch. It was a scam job and completely unethical. He's the same a-hole that wrote an article a couple of years back entitled "F*ck the Troops" at the Buffalo Beast website in which he basically said that you can't be opposed to the war without being opposed to the troops. Walker thought he was talking to Koch, while Murphy tried to goad him into saying something he might regret.

In my opinion, Walker didn't say anything that he hasn't been saying publicly. He didn't take the bait. That's the thing about Scott Walker - WYSIWYG.
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Reply #9 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 8:52pm
 
M.R. wrote on Feb 26th, 2011 at 7:56pm:
Hey, Brewdude

    Do you think your governor can lend one his testicles to our governor? It's looking like he may be coming up a little short on the "taking care of biz" side.

Mike

And people on the left are continually deriding him for not having finished college. I'd trade my degree for one-quarter of his ability to call it like it is and articulate conservative principles while under a great deal of pressure from the complicit media.

And no teleprompter.

Big brass ones, he. Do NOT get into a stare-down with Scott Walker.
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Reply #10 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 9:20pm
 
There's a new mayor in the city of Toronto.  He ran his whole campaign on "Stop the Gravy Train"!!!!!  He hasn't been in office long enough for anyone to get a good handle on what he's going to be able to do but he sure isn't sitting on his butt doing nothing.  He has, so far, kept his election promises.
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Reply #11 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 10:15pm
 
I'm getting a headache just reading all this.  Shocked
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Reply #13 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 11:56pm
 
I have NOTHING but respect for Scott Walker.  Sure wish we had him instead of Quinnoccio.

We are in a world of deep doo-doo down here south of the Cheddar Curtain.  I'm seriously considering a move, but at the present time it is impossible.  Hoping to change that soon.

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Reply #14 - Feb 27th, 2011 at 12:16am
 
It's not hard to understand.

Democrats are more likely to belong to unions. Unions are a big source of money for them. Without strong union influence, Democrats will lose their major source of income. They would have little chance of fighting slippery liars like Walker. It's a wet dream for the GOP.

It has nothing to do with the budget.

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Reply #15 - Feb 27th, 2011 at 12:29am
 
Charlie wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 12:16am:
It's not hard to understand.

Democrats are more likely to belong to unions. Unions are a big source of money for them. Without strong union influence, Democrats will lose their major source of income. They would have little chance of fighting slippery liers like Walker.

Ya had me right up until there.
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Reply #16 - Feb 27th, 2011 at 12:31am
 
Charlie, I respectfully disagree. This is not about corralling private enterprise unions, where there is a capitalist sytem in place that prohibits a business from paying its employees too much money, by making any such business non profitable.

This is about a group of people who have bought off a portion of the government. Literally BOUGHT the democrats. Now they enjoy jobs where they cannot be fired,  and have wages and benefits that are far superior to anything in the private sector.  As a result, entire states are facing bankruptcy because they can no longer pay for these ridiculous benefits. They are taking up a huge piece of every county and city's budget, forcing cuts everywhere BUT in the public employees unions.

The pendulum has swung way too far over. A correction is due, and will occur.

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So, 4000 rubes are dead. Cry me the Tigris. Another 30,000 have been seriously wounded. Boo fucking hoo. They got what they asked for—and cool robotic limbs, too.

Likely, just reading the above paragraph made you uncomfortable. But why?

The benevolence of America’s “troops” is sacrosanct. Questioning their rectitude simply isn’t done. It’s the forbidden zone. We may rail against this tragic war, but our soldiers are lauded by all as saints. Why? They volunteered to partake in this savage idiocy, and for this they deserve our utmost respect? I think not.

The nearly two-thirds of us who know this war is bullshit need to stop sucking off the troops. They get enough action raping female soldiers and sodomizing Iraqi detainees. The political left is intent on “supporting” the troops by bringing them home, which is a good thing. But after rightly denouncing the administration’s lies and condemning this awful war, relatively sensible pundits—like Keith Olbermann—turn around and lovingly praise the soldiers’ brave service to the country. Why?

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yeah i understand this was a prank call but what is david koch's relation to wisconsin?
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-johnny- wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 11:20am:
yeah i understand this was a prank call but what is david koch's relation to wisconsin?

He contributed $$ to Scott Walker's campaign. The left and the media (but I repeat myself) have suggested that Koch is one of the parties that may be interested in purchasing one or more of the dozens of state-owned power plants that Walker wants to sell off as part of balancing the budget. Koch has denied that he's interested.
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Here's the level of intelligence we Wisconsin residents have been dealing with for the last couple of weeks:

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Bob P wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 10:50am:
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So, 4000 rubes are dead. Cry me the Tigris. Another 30,000 have been seriously wounded. Boo fucking hoo. They got what they asked for—and cool robotic limbs, too.

Likely, just reading the above paragraph made you uncomfortable. But why?

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The nearly two-thirds of us who know this war is bullshit need to stop sucking off the troops. They get enough action raping female soldiers and sodomizing Iraqi detainees. The political left is intent on “supporting” the troops by bringing them home, which is a good thing. But after rightly denouncing the administration’s lies and condemning this awful war, relatively sensible pundits—like Keith Olbermann—turn around and lovingly praise the soldiers’ brave service to the country. Why?




Bob,

I'm sorry.  See that little blurb under your monkey picture on the left that says "Shut up Bob"?

Please do so.

I want our troops home as well.  I don't think we should be there, but we are.  So I DO support the men and women who are serving in these wars under the direction of their employer - our current government.

Prove your points about rape and sodomy that our soldiers are committing, with links.  How many, when, where. 

Your post was offensive to me.

And I am an INDEPENDENT VOTER before you try to call me a leftist.

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Reply #22 - Feb 27th, 2011 at 3:53pm
 
Sandy - Bob was quoting - QUOTING - the blogger who posed as Dave Koch in the phone call to governor Scott Walker.

His name is Ian Murphy, and he's a hate monger.
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Reply #23 - Feb 27th, 2011 at 4:01pm
 
Thanks Brew, I was not aware.

To Bob P - please accept my apologies

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Reply #24 - Feb 27th, 2011 at 5:40pm
 
How many people here are confident that the 8 hour day or a minimum wage would exist without unions? Any safety concerns at all, child labor laws or just about any consideratioin for workers? I have no such illusions.

I'm not a big fan of public employees benefits at the scale they exist but even after offering a compromise, they were turned down.

It's about denying all the but the far upper end of financial spectrum a say in anything. It's a blatant attack on the middle class. It may not seem that way yet, but it is.

Power, money on the side.

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