Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
Clusterheadaches.com
 
Search box updated Dec 3, 2011... Search ch.com with Google!
  HomeHelpSearchLoginRegisterEvent CalendarBirthday List  
 





Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print
Somewhat new and in trouble! (Read 3410 times)
Michael77
CH.com Newbie
*
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 4
Somewhat new and in trouble!
Mar 17th, 2011 at 4:04am
 
   I'm a 33yr old male who started cluster cycyles back wahen i was 27.  I origiannly had 2 bouts a year one in september and one in feb/march.  Each would last for 3-6wks and seemed to get stronger every time.  I am also one of the lucky few who gets true migraines that sometimes last for 1-3 days.  Saw local neorologist and had the mri's and catscans done.  dried a long list of pills ranging from melatonin, to calcium channel blocker.s, to beta blockers to depakote and topomax.  u name it, iv'e had.
      The problem is two and a half years ago I turned chronic.  I now gvet 4 clusters a night starting round midnight and finally releasing me around 6am.  I stayed strong and positive at first but they have been beating me down.  Normally i dig deep and deal w them, sometimes i beat my head awhile and sometimes they get the best and i end up in ER.  My big problem is this, it seems like even my chronic cycyle gets worse and ramps up for a month or 2 at a time.  The last time it threw me into hospital for four days along w many er visits and many med trials.
     I am in one of those cycles and last time i was this bad i went to the Diamond HA clinic and the Salt Lake HA clinic.  Tried everything but to no avail.  This time the pain is sooooo bad that by the 2nd, 3rd and 4th episode of the night my body is shutting down.  My rt eye swells almost completely shut at times.  the pain is so bad i start to get nauseaus and even w zofran and phenegran i still end up pukuing.  Once i start puking the is no stop i will go until i dry heave and get really dehydrqated; at this pt if my normal migraine hasn 't kicked in it usuallly piggybacks the cluster.  Even if i make it through the cluster the migraine wears on me all day and the next night im back at square on. eventually i end up at er trying to get fluid, nauseeau and pain meds to break the cycle evewn if for a little while.
      Some history and what have i tired?  I have addisons or cortisol defficiency, on testosterone replacement (they dont thingk my hypothalmus is working rt.)  I also suffer from sjogrens which is an auto-immune and makes me susecptible to mrsa and such as well as trying to dehydrate me.
     Current situation is that my nuero thinks i'm past his scope, my family doc says if I get bad go to er cuz there is nothing they can do for me. They want me to see chronic pain doc but last time all they were doing was marcaine inj and lidocaine infusions which left my w a hell of a lot of mrsa infections.  7 in 18mo including one infected when they tried to put a main line in my chest to get my fluids quicker and easier.  Had to pull the line after 3 days w bad infection. 
   PS-  Ive also been confirmed and had mrsa 7 times, psuedomonas arueginosa, swine flu h1n1, and west nile.  I have also had guillain barre syndrome when i was ten and have had 5 sinus surgeries, a late tonsilectomy and and recent l4/l5 back surgery? 
      Any I deas. I'm sick of being a guinea pig but the life im living is not acceptable to me.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Mike NZ
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline


Oxygen rocks! D3 too!


Posts: 3785
Auckland, New Zealand
Gender: male
Re: Somewhat new and in trouble!
Reply #1 - Mar 17th, 2011 at 4:56am
 
Hi Michael - that sure sounds like a complex mixture of things happening all at the same time, no wonder it's not easy to deal with.

Have you tried verapamil or lithium (or both as a combination)? Both are good preventives and sometimes the combination works well when neither alone works.

Oxygen is simply amazing for aborting CHs. Read up about it with the link on the left. Using a non-rebreather mask with oxygen at 25lpm I can abort a CH in under 6 minutes with zero side effects.

Imitrex injections can also work well to abort CHs, although they have more side effects and are not cheap.

People are reporting some good results with high doses of vitamin D3.

Have you tried using energy drinks, like Red Bull, with both caffeine and taurine? They can often reduce the intensity / duration of a CH.

Where abouts are you in the world?
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
wimsey1
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 2457
MA
Gender: male
Re: Somewhat new and in trouble!
Reply #2 - Mar 17th, 2011 at 7:38am
 
I have no idea what most of the diseases you mention are. If in fact you have CHs in the midst of so much else, then I would think you'd have some relief at least from O2 with the correct equipment, flow rate and breathing technique, as well as imitrex injections. Some do not, but the vast majority of us do. The rest? Who does your neuro suggest you see? lance
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Guiseppi
CH.com Moderator
CH.com Alumnus
*****
Offline


San Diego to Florida 05-16-2011


Posts: 12063
SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA USA
Gender: male
Re: Somewhat new and in trouble!
Reply #3 - Mar 17th, 2011 at 8:41am
 
3 suggestions, I'll admit I'm a bit over whelmed, I've seen some people with full plates come here before but Lord, I think you have them all beat. Cry

1:Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

Review this link, used correctly 02 will abort attacks in 6-8 minutes for most people. The keys are pure 02, started at the first sign of an attack, at a flow rate to support hyper ventilation. Common errors are low flow rates, re breather masks and nasal canulas, all guarantee failure.

2: Go to the medications treatments and thearapies board, "123 pain free days and I think I know why" It's a fairly new regimen one of our members, who is heavily into research, stumbled on. It's a long read, but it's helping some of our members.

3:Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

These are alternative therapies, everything from mushrooms to RC seeds. They are outside of mainstream medicine, but are showing great results, especially for those for whom none of the traditional meds were giving any relief.

Hoping something here helps.

Joe
Back to top
  

"Somebody had to say it" is usually a piss poor excuse to be mean.
 
IP Logged
 
Bob Johnson
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


"Only the educated are
free." -Epictetus


Posts: 5965
Kennett Square, PA (USA)
Gender: male
Re: Somewhat new and in trouble!
Reply #4 - Mar 17th, 2011 at 8:48am
 
Having such a complex medical history with multiple disorders I suspect that attempting to treat the headaches in isolation from the other disorders will not work.

I'd suggest working with those docs you most trust with the goal of finding a medical center which could integrate your total medical history. I'm assuming there may be some common processes/conditions which contribute to several of your issues.

The National Institutes of Health have just started a new program to try and understand/diagnose very complex problems which have not even been diagnosed much less resolved. These are truly "orphan" disorders which escape detection because they have not been identified/labeled/subjec to focused attention.

I appreciate this is a wildcard suggestion, hence, the starting point being with your current docs to see if they believe your situation may respond to this NIH approach.
===
These abstracts are not intended to suggest what you issues are but to indicate how Cluster can be confused with other disorders.

Look under: Medications,  Treatments,  Therapies › Important Topics >Cluster-LIKE headache

Back to top
« Last Edit: Mar 17th, 2011 at 10:19am by Bob Johnson »  

Bob Johnson
 
IP Logged
 
Glassman
CH.com Veteran
***
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 203
Ohio
Gender: male
Re: Somewhat new and in trouble!
Reply #5 - Mar 17th, 2011 at 9:13am
 
Michael,
I can't really add to what the other's have already said but their advice really made a big difference this time around for me.
I did the vitamin D3/fish oil & etc. and that helped a lot; there's also some evidence that it helps with regular migraine. Many who've tried the D3 etc. show signs of improvement within three days, sometimes earlier.
I also did the Prednisone taper while ramping up on Verapamil and while on the Prednisone I had a total week without one single hit - it was a slice of Heaven. 
I did the Oxygen and that helped me significantly decrease the amount of Imitrex I needed. When I got to the O2 early enough it would abort the headaches within 10 minutes.
-Gary
Back to top
  

Maine Coon Cat Crazy
 
IP Logged
 
bejeeber
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline




Posts: 1359
Gnashville
Gender: male
Re: Somewhat new and in trouble!
Reply #6 - Mar 17th, 2011 at 12:36pm
 
Hey Michael,

Man you've had WAY WAY more than your share of afflictions. Very sorry to hear about your trials and tribulations. Sad Glad you found us though because many people such as myself have found some real relief from CH with the aid of info and advice found here.

Agreed with the others about the high liter flow 100% O2, the high dose vitaminn D3, and clusterbusters.

I think people are doing a good 15,000 iu of D3 a day to achieve CH prevention, some are reporting success without the fish oil. Here's the link to the thread here on this subject. It's long, so if you can't read the whole thing right away, a good strategy might be to read the first couple posts, then skip to the last couple pages.
Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

I think this Newsweek article on "busting" and CH makes a good introduction to the clusterbuster subject:
Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

And here's where the busting how to info is to be found, along with a message board community that includes several formerly hopeless chronic cases who had tried all the meds to no avail, and who are now finding some relief:
Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

Of course make sure to read the warnings there, since busting is not for everyone.

Hang in there Michael, there's still plenty of powerful stuff left to try - non toxic stuff.  Smiley


Back to top
  

CH according to Bejeeber:

Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.
bejeeber bejeeber Enter your address line 1 here  
IP Logged
 
ImOnlyHuman
CH.com Sponsor
***
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 24
Re: Somewhat new and in trouble!
Reply #7 - Mar 20th, 2011 at 11:14am
 
Wow Michael! Ya do have it bad. Wish I could help ya in some way.
About the only thing I can tell ya, and I know this does nothing for you, is that I am sure reading your posting has gotta help hundreds of people realize how lucky they are. It sure does that for me.
Just know that we are all hoping ya get some kinda relief soon.
Good Luck!
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Michael77
CH.com Newbie
*
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 4
Re: Somewhat new and in trouble!
Reply #8 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 5:21am
 
First thank u to all of u who read my brief bio and added suggestions.  I'll give you a lil' more info on my situation just to see if you guys have anything else to throw out.  The NHI idea was great because i'v been try to save for Mayo but w my mother law jusyt dying and my father in law just had a bad stroke i'm limited where i can go. 
   First of all I live in a small town in WY, 70,000 people.  We have two neurologists a,d 1 chronic pain doctor.  I have seen both nuero's and they woked w/ me a awhile then tried to send me to bigger cities or clinic.  Then when I got back from the clinics they did not want to work with the clinic on my care here, I have toooo much going on or i'd pick up and move!
    The seconf thing is I've tried the highflow o2 at 8 to 10lmp for 15min at onset and just prior to.  It may have cut the attacks down by a few minuted but i still had some go and hit a ten and last for 45min.  The imitrex inj do work on my regularmigraines to some degree but have never aborted a cluster bout. I am on verapamil but have to stay low dose because when i get in too much pain i puke, alot, and that drops my blood pressure till i blackout or can barely walk.  I'm on;y on the 120, I can't go any higher w/o sever risk.
   The redbull thing i tried it once and thought it was hokey, but am willing to tr it for two weeks and track it.
    I have tried almost everything they could dream up.  Another problem is by body doest hadle doses of meds rt. They have tried putting me in hospital when it gets real bad and my pressure crashes and thay can barely get a avein,  they gave me multiple drugs and tried to sedate me through night- benadryl, dialudid, reglan, zofran, magnesium, ativan and seroquel and I was dragging my iv pole pacing the floors at 1am. Not that i'm immune i think they just loaded me w so much fo years my tolerance is off the wall.
    Last thing??? Am I crazy or justa wus.  when my migraine gets me most of the day and i go into a bad cluster cycle at night a i start puking and sometimes cant stop for 4-8hrs.  I had my gi scoped but are there others of u who get to this point and what do u do.  This combo ends me up in ER t least once a month.
         Thank you everyone again!!!
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Michael77
CH.com Newbie
*
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 4
Re: Somewhat new and in trouble!
Reply #9 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 5:23am
 
PS about a year ago I tried the vitamin supps of the D's, melatonin, and fish oil.  I did it for 5 month w no visible change,
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
wimsey1
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 2457
MA
Gender: male
Re: Somewhat new and in trouble!
Reply #10 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 7:27am
 
Michael, please revisit Bob's post above. I'm don't mean to sound harsh but I notice you manage to both encourage responses while immediately shooting them down in the very next post. We can't cure you of anything, but our advice for addressings Cluster Headaches is based on rather broad and vast experience. So for example, you've tried verpamil, but at rather low doses, because you can't take higher doses or you'll puke; or, you've tried highflow O2 but describe it at 15lpm which is minimum for us...that kind of thing. You were up front right away in telling us your're medical history was complex. OK. I believe you, and part of that complexity is a series of proof statements, that you have come to believe, which defeats and defies solution. I think you need to work on that mindset first before you'll be able to hear and implement any other advice we could give. We care about you, man; we do. God bless. lance
Back to top
« Last Edit: Mar 22nd, 2011 at 7:31am by wimsey1 »  
 
IP Logged
 
Ricardo
CH.com Veteran
***
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 214
MA
Gender: male
Re: Somewhat new and in trouble!
Reply #11 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 11:40am
 
Ever considered food allergies like gluten or dairy?  Too many times I've seen people with a broad array of symptoms get relief from cutting out certain foods. I find it hard to believe all this is not related.  And forget about your western medicine doctors stupid blood test for gluten---horribly inaccurate.  Check these guys out if you're interested.

Enterolab.com
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
bejeeber
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline




Posts: 1359
Gnashville
Gender: male
Re: Somewhat new and in trouble!
Reply #12 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 3:56pm
 
Hi Michael,

A couple things you could consider:

15 LPM for me and some others is actually low flow. I can't abort a major hit with 15 LPM but starting at around 25 LPM and up I can. Non rebeather mask is also essential there.

Have you tried the high dose vit D3 regimen as in 15,000 i.u. a day? Not saying it would work for you, but that's the kind of dose that it's looking like other CH'ers require to get results.

Many for whom the meds have failed have gotten results with busting for CH. For all I know, one or more of your conditions may preclude this approach, but if you haven't looked into it yet, here's a Newsweek article on busting and CH that provides an overview:
Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

I can think of one chronic CH gal with a ton of other various ailments who recently busted with mild acting, legal to order and possess RC seeds, and she has gotten impressive results.

[P.S. busting can prevent migraines too.]
Back to top
« Last Edit: Mar 25th, 2011 at 4:00pm by bejeeber »  

CH according to Bejeeber:

Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.
bejeeber bejeeber Enter your address line 1 here  
IP Logged
 
Bob Johnson
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


"Only the educated are
free." -Epictetus


Posts: 5965
Kennett Square, PA (USA)
Gender: male
Re: Somewhat new and in trouble!
Reply #13 - Mar 27th, 2011 at 9:50am
 
You didn't mention the approaches used by the two clinics you visited: would be useful information.

The meds your local docs are using, which you listed, are not useful for CH. I can send you a 15 page review of current therapies but it's too long to use on this site's software. Either send me your e-mail, and I will send it, or give the source to your doc and he can download it:

At: Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register. Under section on neurology, article: "Cluster Headache--acute and prophylactic therapy", Au: Ashkenazi & Schwedt
Back to top
  

Bob Johnson
 
IP Logged
 
MikeS
CH.com Junior
**
Offline




Posts: 53
x0||||||
Gender: male
Re: Somewhat new and in trouble!
Reply #14 - Apr 26th, 2011 at 4:56pm
 
 
   I would definitely give O2, with a Higher flow rate, a try. Make sure your Doctors are tracking everything you use. If not keep your own calender/log.  this can help prevent missing something that may help, but never gets the chance to. This can happen by not titrating the med to an adequate dose. Or not allowing enough time for the med to work.
    This seems especially important with different combinations of meds used. It is time consuming and can be frustrating. It took about 6 months for some of my meds to really start helping.

    I posted (Nov 8th 2010/Cluster Headache specific) about my use of Narcotics. I did get some very good results. Make sure that any Dr. who may prescribe narcotics has been certified in pain management. Many people on this site are absolutely opposed to narcotic use. (Understandably so).

    When the Dr. who ran the Pain Clinic told me he has had some sucess with what he called "Methadone Therapy" I told him I was not at all interested because of all the horror stories, I had heard about long term narcotic use. He then , more thoroughly, reviewed my history. (My history was contained an inch thick stack of papers which had all my appointments. The dr. spoke into a tape recorder at the end of each appointment. He reviewed everything talked about, all medications including any side effects,results, good or bad and his and my thoughts and ideas.

    He then called me in for an appointment and asked if I would be willing to bring my wife with me. Prior to the call I had researched whatever I could find concerning "Opiate Therapy". I was chronic for so long. I became resistant to the meds that had previously helped, including O2. I had migraines that would sometimes last last for up to 6 days. I was getting 3-5 cluster attacks each day. (Mine have always lasted 3 hours). The migraines made me nauseous. If my migraine was bad I would almost always throw up when I got a cluster.(Clusters by themselves never give me nausea) Throwing up seemed more like a reaction to the severe pain of a cluster when I was was already nauseated from the migraine.
    Anyway, my wife said "I think you are at a point where trying methadone therapy makes sense. You cannot work, drive (most of the time), or do anything at all.) If we do this together and I closely monitor your behaviour and make sure you use the meds exactly as prescribed, it's worth trying. If it doesn't help or you have problems following the exact treatment the Dr prescribes. We can discontinue them. I will keep your meds and give them to you when you are supposed to take them."

   My wife was a CNA and always has studied and had a huge interest in the medical field. She could give me trigger point injections when I used them. I could always trust her judgement. The Dr. asked me to give him at least 9 months before giving up. He said it was important so that he could very very slowly titrate the meds. This would prevent the Euphoria one gets from higher dosages. It took almost 6 months to help. soon after that I was able to work again. (Not every day or all day, but often 3-4 hrs a day on a good day. I was lucky, blessed, fortunate, or anything that means the same.

  After a lot of years my clusters started coming less often. Each time their frequency went down, so did my methadone use. When I needed less medication, the meds I was using made me very tired. This made it easy to reduce the dosage.

  What has worked for me, could more dangerous then helpful, for you. You have many things happening with your health that I know next to nothing about. So please make sure your Dr. knows everything that is going on with you.

  I have the utmost respect for you and what you must be going through. I thought that I could relate to almost anyone suffering from long term or severe pain.  It seems that getting it under control may be very difficult and very complex.

   Please accept my empathy and my prayers for you, that will start this very day.
       MikeS 
Back to top
« Last Edit: Feb 16th, 2013 at 1:45pm by MikeS »  

manicmechanic
 
IP Logged
 
Lettucehead
CH.com Old Timer
****
Offline


I am very blessed...


Posts: 293
Iowa
Gender: female
Re: Somewhat new and in trouble!
Reply #15 - Apr 26th, 2011 at 5:25pm
 
God Bless.
I am so very sorry for what you are going through - I hope you find some relief soon.

There are some wonderful people on this site - they want only the best for you.  Some of the time they will disagree on how to get there, but they all want you to be pain-free.  Please believe that. 

I have no additional offerings for you to try that any of the other posters haven't/won't cover. 
But I can mention this - you seem to have several significant and rare conditions.  Several of these conditions have known associations with immune conditions - whether they be autoimmune or immunodeficiency.  Sjogrens, Addisons, recurrent MRSA infx, hypogonadism.

If you have not already, you may want to consider evaluation from an immunologist and/or rheumatologist for eval of underlying condition that may be able to link your diseases and may then provide a better avenue of treatment.

Please hang in there...
Back to top
  

Listen, and understand. That terminator is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear... 'The Terminator' AKA CH
 
IP Logged
 
MikeS
CH.com Junior
**
Offline




Posts: 53
x0||||||
Gender: male
Re: Somewhat new and in trouble!
Reply #16 - Feb 16th, 2013 at 1:43pm
 
MikeS wrote on Apr 26th, 2011 at 4:56pm:
 
   I would definitely give O2, with a Higher flow rate, a try. Make sure your Doctors are tracking everything you use. If not keep your own calender/log.  this can help prevent missing something that may help, but never gets the chance to. This can happen by not titrating the med to an adequate dose. Or not allowing enough time for the med to work.
    This seems especially important with different combinations of meds used. It is time consuming and can be frustrating. It took about 6 months for some of my meds to really start helping.

    I posted (Nov 8th 2010/Cluster Headache specific) about my use of Narcotics. I did get some very good results. Make sure that any Dr. who may prescribe narcotics has been certified in pain management. Many people on this site are absolutely opposed to narcotic use. (Understandably so).

    When the Dr. who ran the Pain Clinic told me he has had some sucess with what he called "Methadone Therapy" I told him I was not at all interested because of all the horror stories, I had heard about long term narcotic use. He then , more thoroughly, reviewed my history. (My history was contained an inch thick stack of papers which had all my appointments. The dr. spoke into a tape recorder at the end of each appointment. He reviewed everything talked about, all medications including any side effects,results, good or bad and his and my thoughts and ideas.

    He then called me in for an appointment and asked if I would be willing to bring my wife with me. Prior to the call I had researched whatever I could find concerning "Opiate Therapy". I was chronic for so long. I became resistant to the meds that had previously helped, including O2. I had migraines that would sometimes last last for up to 6 days. I was getting 3-5 cluster attacks each day. (Mine have always lasted 3 hours). The migraines made me nauseous. If my migraine was bad I would almost always throw up when I got a cluster.(Clusters by themselves never give me nausea) Throwing up seemed more like a reaction to the severe pain of a cluster when I was was already nauseated from the migraine.
    Anyway, my wife said "I think you are at a point where trying methadone therapy makes sense. You cannot work, drive (most of the time), or do anything at all.) If we do this together and I closely monitor your behaviour and make sure you use the meds exactly as prescribed, it's worth trying. If it doesn't help or you have problems following the exact treatment the Dr prescribes. We can discontinue them. I will keep your meds and give them to you when you are supposed to take them."

   My wife was a CNA and always has studied and had a huge interest in the medical field. She could give me trigger point injections when I used them. I could always trust her judgement. The Dr. asked me to give him at least 9 months before giving up. He said it was important so that he could very very slowly titrate the meds. This would prevent the Euphoria one gets from higher dosages. It took almost 6 months to help. soon after that I was able to work again. (Not every day or all day, but once in a while 20 hrs a week, as long as I could pick the times. I was lucky, blessed, fortunate, or anything that means the same.

  After a lot of years my clusters required less medications. When I needed less medication, the meds I was using made me very tired. This made it easy to reduce the dosage. I am still unable to stay at work for more than a few hours.

  What has worked for me, could more dangerous then helpful, for you. You have many things happening with your health that I know next to nothing about. So please make sure your Dr. knows everything that is going on with you.

  I have the utmost respect for you and what you must be going through. I thought that I could relate to almost anyone suffering from long term or severe pain.  It seems that getting it under control may be very difficult and very complex.

   Please accept my empathy and my prayers for you, that will start this very day.
       MikeS 

Back to top
  

manicmechanic
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print

DISCLAIMER: All information contained on this web site is for informational purposes only.  It is in no way intended to be used as a replacement for professional medical treatment.   clusterheadaches.com makes no claims as to the scientific/clinical validity of the information on this site OR to that of the information linked to from this site.  All information taken from the internet should be discussed with a medical professional!