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Sumatriptan Nasal Spray (20mg)
Mar 21st, 2011 at 10:56am
 
Hello-
Long time reader, 1st post. Have had CH since mid 20s, 49 now. over the last 15 years, frequency and pain have lessened considerably (have not had a cycle in 3 years [and then it was a KIP 5-6, at 1:30 AM every night for about 3 weeks ] was able to just "meditate/breath" the beast away in a 1/2 hour, then back to sleep) - until 2 weeks ago... 4-5 doozies a night, no sleep.... Went to GP who gave me a script for Sumatriptan Nasal Spray (20mg). It works !!! (so far) I take a dose when I feel one coming on in the evening and the pain fades in 2 to 10 minutes before gathering strength. This was 4 days ago and I have gotten a full nights sleep since !!! I am going to see a neurologist next week (1st time). As a long time ClusterHead, I know there is no "silver bullet", but I would like to ask all you fellow Clusterheads if any of you have found relief using this stuff?
Best regards to you all.
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Reply #1 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 11:43am
 
Skeevedout-
I sure have. It's been my constant companion for years now.  I love it. It works nearly as fast as the injectionss.

Others here will tell you about some neat tips on getting the most out of the injectable though I've never gone that route.

But I'm also going to tell you to check out the side bar highlighted in yellow describing how to use Oxygen as an abortive.  As you know we're only allowed 2 hits of Sumitriptan nasal per day and I can get up to three or four headaches daily.  This time I took the advice of the O2 wizards and used that as my main abortive.  It's much cheaper per use, safer, and it enabled me to stretch out my Sumitriptan use so I was never tempted to go over the allotted two per day.

Also, read the post "123 days pain free and I think I know why" put up by Batch.  That helped me considerably this last cycle.
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Reply #2 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 12:02pm
 
Thanks for the post Glassman - So far, 1 dose before bed seems to keep the beast away all night !?!?! Going for a CT scan tomorrow to rule out something other than CH and then to Neurologist next week. I will take your suggestion and check out the 1 2 3 post.
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Reply #4 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 12:10pm
 
If you are having an increase in attacks it may be time to discuss the use of a preventive med when you see your doc. (See PDF file, below in addition to the following material.)
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Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   

Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.

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Reply #5 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 12:13pm
 
oxygen is the way to go.....   i'll never be without it again


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Reply #6 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 1:02pm
 
Thanks all !!!
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Reply #7 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 8:25am
 
Went to get a refill for the Sumatriptan that my Docs. office called in for me yesterday (I was only given 6 doses, "try this and see if it works") and was refused at the pharmacy because my insurance will only cover 6 doses per month !!! Hell, the six doses lasted me 4 days (for 2 days I took 1 dose in the afternoon on top of the 1 before bed ???). Needless to say I had 3 visits from the beast last night, first one was a 6 or 7 and the following were under 5 but enough to drag me out of sleep/bed. I am waiting to hear back from the doc to see if they can straighten things out w/the insurance co.
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Reply #8 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 9:11am
 
skeevedout wrote on Mar 22nd, 2011 at 8:25am:
the six doses lasted me 4 days


It's a good abortive, but as you can see, getting enough for a one, two, or three month cycle isn't all that easy.  This is one of the strong advantages of an oxygen prescription, and using the Imitrex spray as a backup, not as a sole or main abortive.  Also there are preventatives as Bob has mentioned, which may be able to cut down the number of hits very much.
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Reply #9 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 9:14am
 
It's usually possible for the doc to get around the insurance limit but, if this is not possible, ask you doc for a sample of this med.

Several folks here have found it highly effective and, on a per cost basis, less than the Suma.--and no restrictions  by insurance.
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Headache 2001 Sep;41(8):813-6 

Olanzapine as an Abortive Agent for Cluster Headache.

Rozen TD.

Department of Neurology, Jefferson Headache Center/Thomas Jefferson University Hospital, Philadelphia, Pa.

OBJECTIVE: To evaluate olanzapine as a cluster headache abortive agent in an open-label trial. BACKGROUND: Cluster headache is the most painful headache syndrome known. There are very few recognized abortive therapies for cluster headache and fewer for patients who have contraindications to vasoconstrictive drugs. METHODS: Olanzapine was given as an abortive agent to five patients with cluster headache in an open-label trial. THE INITIAL OLANZAPINE DOSE WAS 5 MG, AND THE DOSE WAS INCREASED TO 10 MG IF THERE WAS NO PAIN RELIEF. THE DOSAGE WAS DECREASED TO 2.5 MG IF THE 5-MG DOSE WAS EFFECTIVE BUT CAUSED ADVERSE EFFECTS. To be included in the study, each patient had to treat at least two attacks with either an effective dose or the highest tolerated dose. RESULTS: Five patients completed the investigation (four men, one woman; four with chronic cluster, one with episodic cluster). Olanzapine reduced cluster pain by at least 80% in four of five patients, and TWO PATIENTS BECAME HEADACHE-FREE AFTER TAKING THE DRUG. Olanzapine typically alleviated pain within 20 minutes after oral dosing and treatment response was consistent across multiple treated attacks. The only adverse event was sleepiness. CONCLUSIONS: Olanzapine appears to be a good abortive agent for cluster headache. IT ALLEVIATES PAIN QUICKLY AND HAS A CONSISTENT RESPONSE ACROSS MULTIPLE TREATED ATTACKS. IT APPEARS TO WORK IN BOTH EPISODIC AND CHRONIC CLUSTER HEADACHE.

PMID 11576207 PubMed

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Olanzapine has a brand name of "Zyprexa" and is a antipsychotic. Don't be put off by this primary usage. Several of the drugs used to treat CH are cross over applications, that is, drugs approved by the FDA for one purpose which are found to be effective with unrelated conditions--BJ.
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Reply #10 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 9:21am
 
Yep, I've had the same problem. You can purchase the Sumitriptan but you'll pay full price for it (and, yes I have (ouch! Cry)) but then it's that or facing the beast unarmed.

This is very important:
Look at the Oxygen information we have on this website. 

It is better than the Sumitriptan by far and if your Doc or insurance is hinky about it, get set up with welder's O2, it's the same quality as medical O2 and a whole lot cheaper.  You can hit the O2 as many times a day as you need to.

Just don't let the welder supply company know what you intend to do with it.  Tell them you're buddy is teaching you to weld or something. Smiley
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Reply #11 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 11:11am
 
Wow-Thanks again folks
Still have not heard back from the Doc so I ran across the street to Walgreens and picked up some Omega 3 Fish Oil and Vitamin D3 (thanks for pointing me to Batch's post Glassman). Just knocked back Batch's suggested doses and will see what happens.
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Reply #12 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 5:12pm
 
Hey Skeevedout,
Another tip I forgot to mention:
during my remissions I stockpiled the Sumitriptan nasal like mad (using the insurance coverage) - whenever I had some extra dough ray me! So I have enough that during this past cycle (Jan 14 to Feb 12) I could do my two a day as needed (if I needed...) and not have to pay full price.
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