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My official "Help you help me"
May 30th, 2011 at 5:26pm
 
So, this is my third post because I had two specific questions, but... here's the complete run down.

1. Because the medical training, experience and skill level of physicians who treat complex headache disorder is so uneven in the U.S., much less in the rest of the world, we need to know where you live. Our diverse membership will be in a better position to identify local resources for you—physicians, specialty clinics, and so on—if we have this base line information.
   
I'm in school, so I live essentially in two places. At home is in northern NJ, very close to New York City and close enough to Philadelphia for an easy day trip. Out at school I'm in Wisconsin, close-ish to both Madison and Milwaukee and also the Neuroscience Group of NE Wisconsin which is in Neenah, I believe.

2. Then it would help us if you would give a grief history of your experience with disabling headache. A brief outlining of information such as these kinds of data would be most helpful:

A. Have you been diagnosed with Cluster?; when?, by whom (doc’s specialty). Are there any other medical problems which concern your doctor?


Yes and no. I was diagnosed with CH by two neurologists, and tentatively with Paroxysmal Hemicrania by a HA specialists who I am currently with. The only other big health concerns my doctors have, especially in regards to my headaches, is that I am a smoker... although now I've started NRT (nicotine replacement therapy) and am not smoking anymore. Dr. doesn't have a problem with continued nicotine consumption at least for the duration of the quitting process.


B. What treatments have you used, or are now using? Med, dosing, duration of each, your judgment of the usefulness.

I guess the first and foremost thing I should mention is my headaches have only been going on since February of 2010 and I was first treated in April of that year. I have not had any break other than maybe 3-4 days "off" from here to there; at the moment it seems to be manifesting itself as a more persistent and chronic condition rather than cyclic. They began about a month after I had to wean myself off a rather large dose of opiate painkillers that I had been taking for an unrelated health problem. I have asked about medication overuse/rebound headaches with that specifically, but my doctors aren't so sure.

Forgive me if I can't remember the doses of everything because there have been so many different medications I've been on, though I remember most. The first preventative I was on was Amitriptyline and I believe it was 75mg/night by the time we increased the dose. First I was prescribed Midrin and Imitrex for abortive (alternatively, of course). The Midrin had not effect and the Immitrex made me nauseous plus I had a big problem with discomfort around the injection site. Then we tried Migranal nasal spray (which I think is DHE) and that didn't work well either. At various times I have also tried Toradol, Fioricet, Tylenol 3, Relpax and Amerge without success. After a while on the amitriptyline with no help, I went off of it. This was all between April to mind-June of 2010.

For most of the summer last year I was on Topomax (150mg/night by the end) for preventative and Maxalt-MLT for abortive... whatever the standard dose of that is. The Topomax and maxalt both worked great for a while. I was still getting headaches but not nearly as frequently as I used to. Unfortunately, after about 6 weeks my headaches came back.

This past winter I had my first appointment with a HA specialist in NYC, the same who diagnosed Paroxysmal Hemicrania. Because of that, he put me on Indocin (150mg/day) for preventative. It worked great at first, but stopped being effective after around 2.5 months and eventually caused an internal bleed. My other neurologist-- not HA specialist-- who is out here in WI prescribes Zomig 5mg nasal spray for abortive, which only works if I catch my headache in the first minute or two. Part of the problem with the Zoming, in addition to needing to act QUICKLY, is that sometimes I do indeed get a "shadow" of a headache without it getting full blown, so I almost never know when I must take action with the zomig.

I am also on Percocet and Dilaudid; both are really only for the most dire of emergencies because like most people I cannot afford to go to the ER 4+ times a month. I get many more headaches than 4x a month, but I obviously try not to go to the ER unless the pain is making me suicidal and/or nothing I have is easing it. The Percocet dosing per headache is 2 7.5/500 tablets (I have a built up tolerance from last year when I was on opiates for such an extended time) and the Dilaudid is 4mg. I would say between the two I take those roughly 5x a month so not incredibly often. I have also done a Prednisone run as well as Dexamethasone (at different times, of course). My HA specialist had my try Stadol (Butorphanol) nasal spray once but it didn't help at all and it made me so nauseous I vomited for 3 hours even though I took a Compazine. I am on Inderal for high BP but I've heard that can help with headaches.

Currently, as of about 2.5 weeks ago, I've had to stop taking the Indocin because it caused the previously mentioned stomach bleed (but I'm OK). So right now my preventative is over-the-counter melatonin, 9mg, as recommended by HA specialist. I'm still on the Zomig, Dilaudid, and Percocet for abortive but really am in a living hell at the moment because the Indocin did not really help to begin with and the Melatonin is even less effective. I am in a great deal of pain every single day and simultaneously trying not to take so many abortives that I get rebound headaches and stay out of the ER. Not easy. I'm writing this during what feels like very few painfree moments I can enjoy recently.

I do have an appointment coming up with Thomas Jefferson in Philly on the 14th which can't come soon enough.


C. Have you used or explored any alternative treatments (and ditto)?

While I've not explored or used many, I have gotten some therapeutic massages and do yoga actively.

D. Give a brief picture of the degree of limitations you face because of the headache and any social complications which they cause. How is your social support?

My social support, for the most part, is wonderful. I am a college student at a very small liberal arts school and I am fortunate that my parents are phenomenally supportive and understanding (my mother used to get migraines as a teenager) and all of the faculty and administration at school have tried to be as accommodating as possible. Unfortunately, for the past year and ESPECIALLY the past 4 weeks or so my headaches have gotten seemingly so much worse. This started before I even had to go off of the Indocin but certainly became more volatile without any preventative, even if it wasn't doing THAT much good.

My headaches are, like many of yours, completely disabling. This term I had to withdraw from most of my classes and now, as I mentioned, feel like I'm in pain for the better part of the day. My headaches do not really adhere to a timing schedule-- as in, they occur at any point of the day. Sometimes they wake me up, others not. The biggest impact my headaches have had are on my school performance. I am a musician, and have been almost unable to play since they've started.

E. Do you have a good, basic understanding of Cluster and its treatment or do you want sources of  information about these complex disorders. (Because there are many dozens of kinds of headache, and treatment often erratic and lengthy, we would encourage you to start a headache diary.       

I feel as though I have a relatively good understanding of CH, but I am always open to new literature or if anyone has any bright ideas as to any medications it sounds like I haven't tried (so I can at least bring it up with my doctor, that is). Again, I have an appointment with Jefferson coming up but until then I feel like I'm going a little crazy.

Zac
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Reply #1 - May 31st, 2011 at 1:49am
 
Wow, that is sure one very detailed summary.

You've not mentioned using oxygen as an abortive. This has worked very well for a lot of people, myself included. I can normally abort a CH in about 6 minutes when using 25lpm and a non-rebreather mask. I would really strongly suggest you try it, even if you've tried it before as the combination of the high flow rate and non-rebreather mask is so much more effective than low flow rates and / or rebreather masks or nose canulas.

Similarly there was no mention of two very common and highly effective preventives, verapamil and lithium. Have you tried these?
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Reply #2 - May 31st, 2011 at 8:07am
 
Yes, great information. But, no questions. It sounds like you have a handle on the direction you wish to go...or not. If you have any questions, though, please feel free to ask. Blessings. lance
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Reply #3 - May 31st, 2011 at 9:05am
 
Yes, a fine, useful reply. Thanks.

Given the # of specialists you have/are seeing, I'm restrained about commenting at the treatments, i.e., pain meds, which you keep getting. This approach is so out of the main stream re. treatment of headache that all I can do is ??????

Since you have tried so many of the mainstream meds without extended success, one comment: this pattern is a sign that you may not be dealing with Cluster. You might consider printing out the cluster of reports you will find at the following link, and ask you doc if he might consider a reexamination of the current Dx, in light of these data.


Link to: cluster-LIKE headache.

Section, "Medications, Treatments, Therapies --> "Important Topics" --> "Cluster-LIKE headache"
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Reply #4 - May 31st, 2011 at 3:07pm
 
Mike NZ wrote on May 31st, 2011 at 1:49am:
You've not mentioned using oxygen as an abortive. This

Similarly there was no mention of two very common and highly effective preventives, verapamil and lithium. Have you tried these?


Unfortunately, oxygen does not help quell an attack for me. I have tried in the ER to get the correct amount and time and time again my HA do not go away until pain medication is administered. I realize this may mean I'm not dealing with CH but regardless of the diagnosis I've found very little that has helped. Re. Verapamil and Lithium... I've never had Verapamil and am not familiar with it but I cannot take Lithium because I have a psychiatric history and am currently on an anti-epileptic/mood stabilizer (Lamictal) so any psychoactive medication is off the table.

Bob Johnson wrote on May 31st, 2011 at 9:05am:
Given the # of specialists you have/are seeing, I'm restrained about commenting at the treatments, i.e., pain meds, which you keep getting. This approach is so out of the main stream re. treatment of headache that all I can do is ??????


Yes, I realize that is definitely not first-line treatment. The problem I have run into and what my Drs are trying to be cognisant of is that I have tried many, many options and very few things help abortively, one of them being opiate painkillers. (Nothing has truly helped preventatively either, but that's another story). They are also conscious, as am I, of limiting the amount I take, but when I end up in the emergency room what almost always ends up happening is I need IV narcotics to even touch my HA so having those medications at home saves about $500 each trip, even with insurance. Of course they take longer to kick in than an injection, nasal spray, or sublingual tab but my headaches vary so much in duration (anywhere from 1-6 hours, which I realize is also not particularly cluster-like) that the time is worth it.
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Reply #5 - May 31st, 2011 at 3:14pm
 
How was the oxygen administered?

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Reply #6 - May 31st, 2011 at 3:21pm
 
Oxygen also works best when started as soon as the pain of a CH starts to build. So the delay in having to get to ER first may be what is making it ineffective.

Most people will try to be within a few minutes (or less) of their oxygen.

I'm surprised that verapamil hasn't been tried as that is probably the most common preventive used, however I'm not a medical doctor, so there may be other reasons why it isn't suitable for you.

With the use of pain medication, this is how I was inititially treated before my CHs were correctly diagnosed. They did little to impact the pain other than pretty much knocking me out after about 25 minutes or so. I no longer use any pain medication as I can kill of CHs in a few minutes with oxygen.
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Reply #7 - May 31st, 2011 at 4:59pm
 
Mike NZ wrote on May 31st, 2011 at 3:21pm:
I'm surprised that verapamil hasn't been tried as that is probably the most common preventive used, however I'm not a medical doctor, so there may be other reasons why it isn't suitable for you.



I'm sorry, I actually did try Verapamil. I've been on so many things I forgot to include it and I didn't recognize the name because the Dr. just referred to it as Calan (a brand name). I tried that at the beginning of last summer, before the Topomax. No good for me, unfortunately. And re. the pain medication, they actually do help me- not just knock me out. I find once I take them within 30 or 40 minutes I can go back to functioning. While they make me slightly drowsy I am fortunate that I am able to do work/go places/be generally functional. This is another reason I am still currently prescribed them; they are re-enabling for me, rather than the side effects being equally disabling as a headache.
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Reply #8 - May 31st, 2011 at 5:51pm
 
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the pain medication, they actually do help me-


Please be advised that narcotics are generally known around here to cause rebounds headaches from hell and of course no one wants that.
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Reply #9 - May 31st, 2011 at 7:31pm
 
Linda, thanks for the tip, but I have noticed over the last year far less of a problem with the narcotics regarding rebound headaches than I've had with triptans. Of course, pretty much any analgesic is going to cause rebounds but at least for myself it's much, much worse the few times I've really overused triptans during a string of bad attacks.
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Reply #10 - May 31st, 2011 at 9:52pm
 
Oh certantly.  Over-use of Triptans can indeed cause rebounds.   However....with narcotics you not only get rebounds, but you also have another problem to deal with, which is addiction.   Narcotics are great if you've had a tooth pulled or after surgery for a few days.  With CH, which is an on-going pain, narcotics are something the majority around here will tell you is a huge no-no.  Most...say it does no good what-so-ever anyway so you must decide for yourself what is right for you.  Myself?  I'll take 10 mins. of pure 02 over any narcotic.  It's safe.  It's cheap. It works and there is nothing else that works for me like that blessed oxygen.  You will find many, many more who will agree with with me on this whole subject.
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Reply #11 - Jun 2nd, 2011 at 2:42pm
 
Yes, and I am one of those people who agrees with you! Unfortunately, because oxygen does not help with my headaches and so few things do, right now one of the very few classes of medications that seems to have much effect are the opiates. (The triptans are hit-or-miss.) For better or worse I had to deal with the extreme negative side effects of narcotic use when I was on them for an unrelated and extended health problem (about 200+ mg of oxycodone a day between ER and IR). I had to go through the misery of withdrawal then and I at least consider myself all the wiser for it. I have an appointment upcoming with Thomas Jefferson as I mentioned so I'm hoping they can come up with an alternative solution over narcotics but until then I'm just trying to limit my dosing. Luckily I have had no problems with physical addiction or tolerance since I was on them daily a year and a half ago. When you stack up about 14-25 mg of oxycodone or less a week currently versus 1400mg/week 1.5 years ago I guess it doesn't seem so bad...  Roll Eyes But I agree it is certainly not a wonderful solution, and even less so in the long term.

Edit: It also bears mentioning that I have long had a terribly low tolerance for pain, which certainly doesn't help matters. I realize this is not really a question of threshold because CH/HA disorders are a) debilitating for everyone b) it's a question of treatment, it's just worth noting that when I am in a lot of pain it can be extremely difficult to get rid of. I'm not sure if that's just a low pain tolerance or if my brain really reacts strongly to even minor injury/pain signals, but it's something my GP and other Drs. are at least aware of. Again, that has nothing to do with what treatment is given but historically my pain has always been very very finicky to take care of, even when I do something silly like twist my ankle. Of course I don't run off to the ER or Dr. for every tiny thing, there has just been a lot of suffering for even minor injuries. Definitely does not make treatment any easier....
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