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Jun 13th, 2011 at 2:36pm
 
44 y.o. white male, ~20 year episodic, in a series. Mine are btwn 6-7 on the scale, 1-3 a day for 4-8 weeks every 8-20 months. My doctor put me on a 12-day diminishing dosage of prednisone which may have slowed my headaches, but I still take a leftover Maxalt when the pain is extreme. Have a follow-up appt Weds with him, hoping to talk about O2 as another alternative.

I have started series while smoking and not, while drinking and not, while mainlining coffee and not, during all four seasons, and regardless of diet, stress level, environment, or personal or professional situation. They come when they come.

I have no 'golden answer' for anyone, just happy to have found this site to vent, commiserate, and hopefully learn.
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Please tell us where you live. Follow the next line to a message which explains why knowing your location and your medical history will help us to help you.

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You didn't mention using a med to prevent/reduce the frequency of attacks.

Does your doc have any training/experience in treating complex headache disorders? If not and it's possible, we strongly suggest tying in with a specialist.
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.

2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

6. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.
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The most widely used preventive med is discssed in this abstract.....

Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   

Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.
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See the PDF file, below, for an overview of treatments.
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And read,



Cluster headache.
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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]





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Reply #2 - Jun 13th, 2011 at 6:29pm
 
Welcome to the board, Bob has given you your first dose of required reading! Wink An educated CH'er hurts a lot less. yeah, good luck figuring out what the hell starts a cycle, 33 years here and I still haven't pinned down a trigger that actually starts a cycle.

Prednisone is a great transitional med, it'll hold the beast at bay for a short time, is the doc starting you on a longer term prevent for when the prednisone runs out? Verapamil, Lithium, Topomax?

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If you have not already done so, read this link and print out the info for your doc. Used correctly 02 can abort in as little as 6-8 minutes. Used incorrectly it won't work at all. It's been a real life saver for me and many others.

Glad to have you on board, hoping we can steer you towards some relief.

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Reply #3 - Jun 21st, 2011 at 6:08am
 
Thanks Bob and Guiseppi, a lot of good info there.

I experienced a CH while at my doctor appt last week. He strapped an O2 mask on me and within 10 min I was feeling almost normal, by 20 min it was gone. I still felt shadows for an hour or two after (which I don't get after popping a Maxalt) but the O2 doesn't leave me feeling run over like the meds do.

Best part is, my series is ending. Haven't had a headache in two days, and that's a strong sign they're gone for now. When the next series starts, I'm set to get a bottle of oxygen from a local med supply store. Hopefully that and the Prednisone will keep the pain down.

Thanks again for your input, take care!
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Reply #4 - Jun 21st, 2011 at 8:41am
 
Please read the O2 info link for best equipment and technique, especially the need for high flow O2. While some have found relief at 15lpm, most of us need 25-60lpm for quickest, most effective treatment. My abort times are now down to 3-5 minutes and I am chronic and 24 year vet of the pain wars. May you be perpetually pain free. Blessings. lance
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Reply #5 - Jun 21st, 2011 at 8:50am
 
Great to hear the beast may be in retreat. PLEASE stick around and continue your CH education. Knowledge is power against the beast, you can never have too many back up plans. Hoping this remission lasts forever.

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I experienced a CH while at my doctor appt last week. He strapped an O2 mask on me and within 10 min I was feeling almost normal, by 20 min it was gone.


Most of us, if not all...want to hide and be away from others when we get hit, so I was totally embarrassed when I got hit while in my Dr.s office and was waiting for him to come into the room.  By the time he came in I was about to peal the wallpaper off as it became a KIP 8.   He stood in the doorway just looking at me for what seemed like forever and then asked me what I needed.  he even stayed in the room with me til the Imitrex and 02 took effect.
This embarrassment turned out to be the very best thing that could have happened to me as he finally could see what a cluster headache looked like.  After that day he always told me he would take his cues from me as far as treatment goes.  Sounds like your Dr. is fairly knowledable in that he knew to get the 02 right away.

DO try the melatonin about a 1/2 hr. before bedtime.  You can find it in the vitamin aisle of any drug store.  I take 9mg. but others here have a little bit higher doses.
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Reply #7 - Jun 21st, 2011 at 1:12pm
 
Guiseppi wrote on Jun 13th, 2011 at 6:29pm:
An educated CH'er hurts a lot less.


This is SOOOO completely true!
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Reply #8 - Jun 21st, 2011 at 1:53pm
 
I'm not a traditional "joiner" in life, but I am very happy to have found this site and will continue checking in. Thanks all for the advice and support!
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Reply #9 - Jun 21st, 2011 at 5:15pm
 
how do i know for sure that my cycle is over...any help plz...im new to this online thing..been having ch since i was 18 and now im going on 25.. Cry
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Reply #10 - Jun 22nd, 2011 at 8:11am
 
Mauricio, we've discussed this before, and I think there's an active thread right now. Search the site a little bit, but the short answer: you know it's over when you don't get any more hits. Blessings. lance
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