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What is your RITUAL when the BEAST hits?
Jul 31st, 2011 at 8:19pm
 
Just wondering what everyone does, the minute you feel the beast starting...  I've often wondered, hoping something someone does special might help me or others..

I'll start (I am 3wks into a new cycle and am still 'experimenting) but:

* Start coffee (or warm up what is there)
* Crush 1-2 norcos and take
* Grab the icepack for neck
* Sit with O2, ice pack on neck chugging coffee
* Sit (as much as possible) and wait...  if too painful to wait out,
* Head to ER
I was given Zyprexa this time, don't think it works, I think the Norcos are kicking in.  I am stopping the zyprexa

Imitrex and most of the other abortives give me rebound : (

Hope someone finds something useful from these posts!
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Re: What is your RITUAL when the BEAST hits?
Reply #1 - Jul 31st, 2011 at 8:36pm
 
I wish with all my heart that O2 helped me.  Seems like so many get relief from it and yet it only caused me more pain.  Sad 

-Drink full glass of water...more if possible
-Take pred
-Take sumatriptan spray
-Hot shower
-Ice pack straight to eye
-Lie on my side with music playing in background
-Try to ignore horrible images of things (unrelated to me) that come into my head
-When attack is ceasing...I sit up and put my head down and relish in the fact that it's almost over.
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Reply #2 - Jul 31st, 2011 at 8:39pm
 
relief doesn't begin to describe the feeling when the attack is over
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Reply #3 - Jul 31st, 2011 at 9:51pm
 
I use my O2 as long as it is available, if not I use a trex shot.  I try to keep the number of shots to a minimum. I will use the O2 whenever I feel them coming on.  A six day pred dose will usually break a cycle for me.  I am halfway thru now and have beef since i
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Reply #4 - Jul 31st, 2011 at 10:00pm
 
Oxygen.  Immediately.  If caught somewhere that I don't have access to the oxygen, then an Imitrex injection, followed by relocation to a place where I do have oxygen.

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Reply #5 - Jul 31st, 2011 at 10:13pm
 
What's a norco and why do you head to the ER?
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Reply #6 - Jul 31st, 2011 at 11:05pm
 
Brew,

Norco is a pain reliever... I need to know that when I start a h/a that if it's not gone in 1/2 hr, I am at least getting a LITTLE relief...  I go to ER to get a shot of Demerol...   my main concern when the beast hits is getting relief from the PAIN!
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Reply #7 - Jul 31st, 2011 at 11:16pm
 
M'kay. Thanks.
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Reply #8 - Aug 1st, 2011 at 4:18am
 
Oxygen.  Press palm over eye.  Pace. 

If the tank is empty, quaff down a red bull while boiling water, add 3 scoops of Nescafe (not a fan of it but it is "instant" after-all), fill upstairs bathroom sink with hot water, dip the corner of a towel, apply to head, rub head, pace, hum a song, repeat as necessary.   

If away from home...I think I have no ritual other than finding a spot to be alone.

At the moment when I feel its subsiding down I remove hand from head and check if I can stay still or not.  If I can....then I try to go do something, anything, non-ritualistic.   Smiley

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Reply #9 - Aug 2nd, 2011 at 8:26am
 
I ritualized my activity in my pre-O2 days but now...slam an energy drnk and get on the O2, my home green monster or my portable buddy. In either case this has proven nearly 100% effective. When it is not then I trex.

To use a phrase from my adoptive NE, not for nothin' but I'm wondering if those for whom O2 is "not working" are we really on the same page vis a vis equipment, flow rate and technique? Blessings. lance
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Reply #10 - Aug 2nd, 2011 at 4:34pm
 
Im still finding it really difficult to do anything other than collapse onto my side and pant it out atm Sad think a routine may help me though!
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Reply #11 - Aug 4th, 2011 at 2:26am
 
* grab large cup of ice water
* light a candle
* turn on a super hot shower
* turn off all lights and stand under the hot shower drinking the ice water
* constantly try to blow my nose until the left side feels clear
* turn off the water and rock back and fourth with my head in my hands (thank god nobody sees our rituals) breathing the warm wet air from the hot shower.
* once enough of the sticky stuff comes out of that nostril I go sit in the basement in front of a fan until I can go back to sleep for another hour or 2 and repeat the fun all over again.
As you can tell, my ritual is one that works for me and is as drug free as I have chosen. It's taken 22 years to refine my ritual. That being said, I am always looking for other non medicinal options so I hope everyone keeps posting.
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Reply #12 - Aug 4th, 2011 at 2:44am
 
If at home:

  • Go to where I've my oxygen all set up and waiting
  • Hyperventilate for a few minutes
  • Get back to what I was doing before

If at work or similar:
  • Grab oxygen
  • Head somewhere private
  • Connect the mask / regulator
  • Hyperventilate for a few minutes
  • Pack up the mask / regulator
  • Get back to what I was doing before

Oxygen is a life changer.
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Re: What is your RITUAL when the BEAST hits?
Reply #13 - Aug 4th, 2011 at 9:05am
 
Mike NZ wrote on Aug 4th, 2011 at 2:44am:
If at home:

  • Go to where I've my oxygen all set up and waiting
  • Hyperventilate for a few minutes
  • Get back to what I was doing before

If at work or similar:
  • Grab oxygen
  • Head somewhere private
  • Connect the mask / regulator
  • Hyperventilate for a few minutes
  • Pack up the mask / regulator
  • Get back to what I was doing before

Oxygen is a life changer.


As clear and concise as I could have said it! Wink

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Re: What is your RITUAL when the BEAST hits?
Reply #14 - Aug 4th, 2011 at 3:52pm
 


    If at work:
  • Wait a short time to see if it's going to get bad enough to use the Imitrex.
  • Holding head with hand (Same side as CH) continuing to work until I can't deal with it anymore.
  • Hoping I haven't waiting too long to use the Imitrex
  • Head to Ladies room Use Imitrex Shot (if above 4kp and rising)
  • Get back to work.


    If At Home:
  • When I hit 4 kp I hit the O2 and stay on it until shortly after CH has gone.
  • If O2 fails hit the Imitrex
  • Get back to whatever I was doing before the CH hit.


    If Traveling:
  • Pull over as soon as possible and hit the O2.
  • If O2 fails hit the Imitrex
  • On the Road again....
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Reply #15 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 2:07am
 
This has been a really interesting thread, and has highlighted just how different my clusters are from a lot of other people's. Mine are so short, and my heart really goes out to everyone that has a long cluster. I used to have longer ones, and I know how bad they can be. Some of you are describing how you prepare drinks and get things ready. Mine rarely, if ever, give me such luxury.

For me, it's not so much a ritual I don't think, but reaction, then post ritual maybe.

The cluster hits, and usually very fast if not instantly!

If at home, curl up in a ball, get to my bed if I'm able or the couch. If in the car, pull over, and fast!

Then, try to breath through the pain, which usually lasts a very intense 15-20 minutes.

Afterwards is more the ritual and recovery.

Sometimes there will be post-traumatic-shock of shaking and tears and body temperature dropping, so I'll need a blanket and lots of water plus tissues for my runny nose, and time to recover, sometimes up to 2 hours.

And that's about it really.
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Reply #16 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 12:41pm
 
I have suffered from cluster headaches for 13 years.  During this time I have never taken any prescription medication.  I have found ways to beat these naturally and also ways to avoid them.  First and foremost, avoid alcohol and nocotine.  During my ch period, a half a beer will trigger one absolutely 100% of the time.  I refuse to let these bastards control my life so I drink anyway.  I know I will get one but I also know its 20 or so minutes of agony and then I'm usually good the rest of the night.  Thats my way of saying F**k you to the headaches I guess.  Cigarettes/chew will also (sometimes) trigger one.  Also, avoid sleeping/lying next to a fan or air conditioner.  For whatever reason, these also trigger them.  I think the nerve that causes these are very temperature sensitive.  That being said, you could sit in a perfect bubble and still get one but avoiding these situations (can) help. 

These headaches are extremely painful.  Thank god they are short lived and only show up once a year (in my case, the summer).  The following are ways that I have found to limit their duration (naturally) and in many cases stop it dead before it gets to to the point where your on your knees, dragging your head across the floor like a bloodhound following a scent trail.

The moment you feel one coming, you need to find a sweet spot.  What does that mean?  Because these monsters are associated with the nerves in your face (trigeminal nerve), you need to find a way to relax these nerves and quick. Lie down on your stomach, stretch your arms out in front or to the side and begin rolling and contorting your head in all sorts of positions. You will find a position, however odd it may be, where you will feel a sweet spot.  It won't be magic relief, but it WILL feel slightly better.  It is a position that gives the nerve slight relief.  Keep that spot for as long as it feels good and BREATHE DEEP.  Now let it out VERY slowly.  As you slowly exhale, imagine you are breathing the pain out of your mouth.  I cannot stress enough how important the visualization is.  As corny as it sounds, believe that you really are letting out the pain.  Call it meditation if you will, but it is very effective. If the sweet spot disappears rinse and repeat until you find another.  Get on your knees, lie on your back, but you will find a position and you will know it when you find it because you will feel a let up in the pain, however slight it may be.  Remember to breathe, that is very important because when we are in excrutiating pain, we don't breathe well.  I have successfully beat these this way for years.  Unfortunately, this doesn't always work. Usually if they get too severe or I wake up with a thumper it is too late for this.  This method works best if you catch it early.  The absolute best way to beat the extreme ones is to hop in the shower and set the water as hot as you can stand it.  The heat from the water will give the nerve something else to focus on and the effect can often times be immediate.  I cannot tell you how many nights I been standing (or sitting if too severe) in the shower at 3 in the morning.  I have tried massages, hot packs on my neck/head but this generally makes it worse, sometimes way worse.  Remember, even when in the shower, DEEP BREATHES.  The mind is a powerful tool.  As crazy as it sounds, I have even (imagined of course) drilling a hole in my head and letting the pain spew out as I let a deep breath out slowly. It works, I have gotten to the point where I don't have too many of the severe ones where your beating your head on the wall.  The worst ones are the ones that you get in a social setting where you cannot do these things.  Its difficult to explain why the veins on one side of your head are bulging, the eye on the same side is tearing/bloodshot and your nose is running like you just ate a jalapeno.  I pray for the day when they just don't come back but I fear that day will never arrive.  Until then, keep breathing and hang in there.
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Reply #17 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 1:21pm
 
Welcome to the board, several of the techniques you suggested are used by many on the board. I quoted part of your post:

The absolute best way to beat the extreme ones is to hop in the shower and set the water as hot as you can stand it.  The heat from the water will give the nerve something else to focus on and the effect can often times be immediate.

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Reply #18 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 1:36pm
 
Thank you for the response.  Part of the reason I have given up on medicine is every time I gone to the doctor for these they automatically assume its allergies, its stress, migrains or some other bullsh*t reason.  No one seems to take cluster headaches seriously.  They want to put me on muscle relaxers, which don't do squat, or some nasal spray for allergies.  After a while I just gave up and learned how to deal with them myself.  In my twenties, the headaches used to be unbelievable severe.  They were horrible.  Thankfully mine have never been exceptionally long.  I think my longest was around 45 minuntes, maybe an hour.  Over the years they have seemed to lessen in severity but I contribute that to learning how to beat them before they get to that point because if I do nothing, they will turn into monsters.  The worst ones are the ones I wake up with because they are already bad by the time I wake up.  In those cases, its straight to the HOT shower, which dissolves them probably 75-80% of the time.  Very rarely does a super hot shower not cure it.  Thanks again for the reply.
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Reply #19 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 1:37pm
 
Wendy1 wrote on Jul 31st, 2011 at 11:05pm:
Norco is a pain reliever (acetaminophen plus hydrocodone)... I need to know that when I start a h/a that if it's not gone in 1/2 hr, I am at least getting a LITTLE relief...  I go to ER to get a shot of Demerol...   my main concern when the beast hits is getting relief from the PAIN!

Many here (myself included) would testify that making narcotics part of the regular routine will only keep the routine going.

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Reply #20 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 1:42pm
 
Brew wrote on Aug 6th, 2011 at 1:37pm:
Wendy1 wrote on Jul 31st, 2011 at 11:05pm:
Norco is a pain reliever (acetaminophen plus hydrocodone)... I need to know that when I start a h/a that if it's not gone in 1/2 hr, I am at least getting a LITTLE relief...  I go to ER to get a shot of Demerol...   my main concern when the beast hits is getting relief from the PAIN!

Many here (myself included) would testify that making narcotics part of the regular routine will only keep the routine going.

And going, and going, and going....


Which is also why I chose to learn how to beat them on my own.  As bad as the pain can be, I don't want to sacrifice my liver or whatever by getting hooked on narcotics.  I do not judge because I know the eye popping pain but I don't think that it is the correct course.  Besides, I tried painkillers and they never did squat for me.  They just took too long to start working.
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Reply #21 - Aug 6th, 2011 at 1:43pm
 
I'm similar to you Max, in my 20's and 30's, the attacks were by far the worst, 2 hour barn burners I thought would kill me. Back then my only defense was lidocaine nose drops and oral cafergot. I'm 51 now, my remissions have gotten longer, last one almost 2 years, and my cycles have gotten longer, from 2-3 months to 8 months! Thanks to Lithium, Oxygen and the occasional Imitrex jab, I cannot remember my last KIP 10.

One more natural route for you to look at. Go to the meds section, read the post " 123 pain free days and I think I know why" One of our research minded members stumbled on a vitamin/mineral/anti inflammatory regimen that's helping a lot of people on the board. Worth a few minutes to read the technique and some of the responses to it.

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sbertram wrote on Aug 4th, 2011 at 2:26am:
* grab large cup of ice water
* light a candle
* turn on a super hot shower
* turn off all lights and stand under the hot shower drinking the ice water
* constantly try to blow my nose until the left side feels clear
* turn off the water and rock back and fourth with my head in my hands (thank god nobody sees our rituals) breathing the warm wet air from the hot shower.
* once enough of the sticky stuff comes out of that nostril I go sit in the basement in front of a fan until I can go back to sleep for another hour or 2 and repeat the fun all over again.
As you can tell, my ritual is one that works for me and is as drug free as I have chosen. It's taken 22 years to refine my ritual. That being said, I am always looking for other non medicinal options so I hope everyone keeps posting.


i do about everything thats been mentioned here. i like o2 and ice water in the shower. sometimes a hot shower works. sometimes an ice cold shower helps. i like a bucket of iced water and a dunked hand towel. the towel works well to put over your mouth so you dont wake up your family or neighbors. any kind of extreme cold to the face helps. a frozen bag of peas is good. if you hold it on there past the point of the stinging sensation your usually goes numb. i've rolled the window down in the dead of winter going down the road with my head in the wind and a toboggan on. 

i would be careful about  blowing your nose. with me it seems to pressurize my face and accelerates the pain under attack.

i've also been known to rip off my clothes like in "american werewolf in london" and run around out in the snow in my boxers. (yes i know. we're into august now. just sayin)

some times in a heavy part of a cycle nothing works
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Reply #23 - Aug 8th, 2011 at 11:26am
 
My arsenal:

I start with number 1, and move down the list
1. Strong Coffee
2. Peppermint chap stick right on the eye lid, mygrastick on temples and forehead if it's hurting there
3. Drink water like a fiend
4. Smoke cannabis, but not too much or it'll make it worse
5. Tryptamine psychedelics unless I've been taking enough recently that I have too high a tolerance
6. Triptans
7. Narcotics
8. Harmala alkaloids---Don't try them unless you know what you're doing!
9. Emergency Room--Usually get shot up with Triptans or  opiates, once I got IV magnesium and it seemed to help a lot (my guess is NMDA receptor antagonism--ask me about that sometime and I'll talk for hours Smiley)



And just to answer the question that always comes...I've tried O2 at 65 LPM through a non-rebreather mask, hyperventilated for over 20 min and felt like I was going to die or have a seizure.  A lot like nitrous oxide without the euphoria...Still had my cluster.

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Reply #24 - Aug 8th, 2011 at 8:24pm
 
To Brew and anyone else who disagrees with painkillers:

I have dealt with the beast for 30 yrs..., while being a full time working wife/mom with whose now 23yr old baby was transplanted with a heart at age 5. 

I have been to every neuro in w. mich, tried every Rx and over the counter med you could possibly imagine..  I have been to the Diamond Headache Clinic and the Headache clinic at U/Mich... to no avail.  Let me tell you...  I have been stuck in A LOT of nasty places/situations with these things!

Right now I am trying the 123pfd... with crossed fingers. 

I am not privy to taking O2 to work, I have tried imitrex every which way only to have rebounds and be cut off.. I HAVE NO ABORT that works for me.  My dr is VERY stingy with and pain medication, I have been with him for 25 yrs and he knows I have clusters, but is still reluctant.  My theory is to get pain medication in my system, so I KNOW that if I don't get relief from the SUICIDAL PAIN, I can at least count on the painkillers taking some of it away. period.

My MAIN concern is relieving myself of the P A I N.  Maybe your pain is not as bad as mine, I don't know, but there is NO WAY I could sit 30-60 mins with this kind of pain; I would die.  If it means rushin my a** to ER for a shot to take pain away, so be it.  Let's face it, you can only become an addict if you have someone supplying it willing...  I do not.

I am frustrated and disappointed (first time since being here almost 10 yrs), that any of you would judge how we choose to get rid of the beast.  I am sitting here with 'him' shadowing in my eye, praying he doesn't come tonite..  thank God I can use the oxygen while at home...

So, please be gentle on here, really take time to read and really pay attention before dishing out judgements...  I for one am no newbie or fool to the beast...  pfnad to all
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