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Aug 23rd, 2011 at 7:12am
 
Hello my name is Chuck, and I'm a "chronic atypical" Clusterhead.

I have suffered with "headaches" since April of '91. I had just received a disability discharge from the Army in March of '91 for my knee and my back courtesy of Desert Storm Part I. I seemed to have 3-4 headaches every time I went to sleep, every other week until the end of August '91.

I had my first reconstructive knee surgery in early December '91 and The Beast(s) returned while I was on the post-op narcotic "pain relievers" that I was taking. It eventually got so bad that I stopped taking my pain meds because of the impact on my nugget.

For years I struggled with The Beast and several times was actually told by VA Docs that it very well could have been a symptom of Persian Gulf Syndrome.

I would go through remission periods of months then I would get attacked with an equal number of months of unending agony. The lack of sleep and several other factors pushed me to some very dark places and I was eventually diagnosed with PTSD and some anger issues (which I now agree that I did have) and bipolar disorder (which I still think was an entire crock of shit).

I took many antidepressants through that time to include Zoloft, Seroquel, Wellbutrin, and lithium. Through it all I continued to have the freakin' headaches... but not as frequently or as severe while on lithium.

The lack of sleep, irritability, distancing myself when attacks would come on, etc., put some serious strain on my marriage and eventually the union completely fell apart.

I fought with The Beast for many years and in '06/'07... silence. An extremely long remission period, the type we all dream of. Absolutely no twinges (shadows now, thanks you you all!), no headaches, no fear.

Then in about mid February of '09, WHAM! My new wife gets to see a full-blown midday, ass-kickin', rip somebody's head off explosion.

This one is like no other I've ever had before. I need help and I need it fast. I work as a supervisor at the local County Emergency Communications Center and I know what the local ambulance service charges for a "ride" and I'm not payin' for it. I have the wife drive me to a new "Doc-In-A-Box" where I know the Doc and respect his abilities. His PA takes me straight to a room and throws on the O2 and within 10 minutes, sweet bliss!

His PA explains to me that what I have been experiencing for nearly 20 years now are cluster headaches. (Wait the VA had it wrong? Let me get my shocked look on...   Shocked)  The PA makes 2 phone calls and gets me in with this Neurologist who used to be an Attorney in Chicago, but left that to become a doctor. And he actually ran a clinic in Chicago that studied headaches and is very well versed in clusters. Dr. Kurt Hopfensperger - my hero!

Immediately - home O2. Right off the bat, my insurance company tried to deny it (damned HMOs), but Doc is on the Board of Directors and got that straightened out in short order.

When I recognize I'm in a cycle I take Indocin daily as prescribed until the cycle appears to be over.

I was on Topamax for a while and had titrated up to 75mg 2x/daily while still having some pretty massive battles with The Beast. Eventually had to ask Doc to take me off of it because of the cognitive side effects and still having major attacks. Just couldn't have that at work.

Replaced Topamax with Depakote ER. Currently at 1500mg 2x/daily. A lot of people (especially the EMTs, Medics, nurses and some of the Docs I talk/work with) freak out when they hear I take 3000mg a day, but so far it seems to have decreased the frequency, duration, and intensity of my headaches.

But that could also be because I go to war...

When I get hit with that familiar "twinge", I head straight to the bedroom. I open up my O2 regulator, fill the bag on my mask, and hit myself with the Imitrex auto-injector. While I'm doing this, my wife is getting a large cup of water and brings it to me so I can slug down a Maxalt and then get my mask on.

She has learned to just let me go through the motions and if I need anything I'll ask. She feels totally helpless, but she knows at that point she's done all she can. I've tried very hard to hide from my stepdaughter when it get hit, but she witnessed the last one (which was very minor) and jumped right into action getting a cup of water and helping her mom while I was fighting the fight. I am now truly blessed to have such good help and understanding.

I've been very lucky that I have not had a "visit" while behind the steering wheel or while at work yet, but I hope its something I can get myself out of in a hurry. I have a constant fear of my coworkers seeing me fighting The Beast. I just really don't want them to see it.

Some definite downsides to the massive dose of Depakote; I gained about 40lbs in the first 5 months I was on it... I was warned to watch my portion control, and didn't heed the message. Seems that Depakote delays the signal between your stomach and your brain that signals that you are full. So by the time your brain says you need to stop eating, you have really pigged out. Working on that situation now - and at 42 with my physical disabilities I'd better get moving while I can.

I also started to lose my hair. Could also be partly because of my age... But I'll blame it on the meds.

Well, I think I've rattled on long enough about me for now. Nice to be here, and nice to be in a remission period again - but for how long...

~Chuck
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Good to have you on board, Chuck, and thank you for your service. Your post was quite good and informative but in what ways do you believe you are atypical? Sounds like a normal day at the office with the beast. Sucks. You are doing well having gotten O2. Many have us have found if we slam an energy drink (Monster, Red Bull, Rock Star) as a hit shows itself, the abort time reduces a lot and recurrences are less ikely. You've also been given second line preventatives. First up ought to be verapamil and lithium or even Olanzapine. The others can work but seem to be less successful. I also went the route you are going and found weight gain accompanied all but Topamax. I am now on 640mg/day of verapamil and while I remain chronic I have it under control with O2 and Monster, reserving imitrex for those times of intractability. Check out the imitrex tip on the left for stretching out your Rx. It works! God bless. lance
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It may not FEEL like it, but compared to many Cluster folks you have had a difficult but upward slope on your experience. So, some good treatment along the way.

Agree with Verapamil. print and give this to you doc.
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Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   

Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.

But also give to your doc:
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I posted this information recently in the form of a news release but more details here.
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Neurology. 2007 Aug 14;69(7):668-75. 

 
Electrocardiographic abnormalities in patients with cluster headache on verapamil therapy.

Cohen AS, Matharu MS, Goadsby PJ.

Headache Group, Institute of Neurology, The National Hospital for Neurology and Neurosurgery, Queen Square, London, UK.

BACKGROUND: High dose verapamil is an increasingly common preventive treatment in cluster headache (CH). Side effects include atrioventricular block and bradycardia, although their incidence in this population is not clear. METHOD: This audit study assessed the incidence of arrhythmias on high dose verapamil in patients with cluster headache. RESULTS: Of three hundred sixty-nine patients with cluster headache, 217 outpatients (175 men) received verapamil, starting at 240 mg daily and increasing by 80 mg every 2 weeks with a check electrocardiogram (EKG), until the CH was suppressed, side effects intervened, or to a maximum daily dose of 960 mg. One patient had 1,200 mg/day. Eighty-nine patients (41%) had no EKGs. One hundred eight had EKGs in the hospital notes, and a further 20 had EKGs done elsewhere. Twenty-one of 108 patients (19%) had arrhythmias. Thirteen (12%) had first-degree heart block (PR > 0.2 s), at 240 to 960 mg/day, with one requiring a permanent pacemaker. Four patients had junctional rhythm, and one had second-degree heart block. Four patients had right bundle branch block. There was bradycardia (HR < 60 bpm) in 39 patients (36%), but verapamil was stopped in only 4 patients. In eight patients the PR interval was lengthened, but not to >0.2 s. The incidence of arrhythmias on verapamil in this patient group is 19%, and bradycardia 36%. CONCLUSION: We therefore strongly recommend EKG monitoring in all patients with cluster headache on verapamil, to observe for the potential development of atrioventricular block and symptomatic bradycardia.

PMID: 17698788 [PubMed]

« Reply #7 on: Today at 1:01am » WITH THANKS TO "MJ" FOR POSTING THIS EXPLANATION. 

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"Cluster Headache Treatment Poses Cardiac Dangers 
Off-label use of verapamil linked to heart rhythm abnormalities, study finds 

By Jeffrey Perkel
HealthDay Reporter   

MONDAY, Aug. 13 (HealthDay News) -- People who use a blood pressure drug called verapamil to treat cluster headaches may be putting their hearts at risk.

That's the finding from a British study that found heart rhythm abnormalities showing up in about one in five patients who took the drug in this unapproved, "off-label" way.

"The good news is, when you stop the drug, the effect wears off," said study lead author Dr. Peter Goadsby, professor of neurology at University College London. "So, as long as doctors know about it, and patients with cluster headaches on verapamil know they need EKGs [electrocardiograms] done, it is a completely preventable problem." 

The study is published in the Aug. 14 issue of Neurology.

In a review of the medical records of 217 patients given verapamil to treat their cluster headaches, a team led by Goadsby found that 128 had undergone an EKG, 108 of which were available in the medical records.

Of those 108 patients, about one in five exhibited abnormalities (mostly slowing) in the heart's conduction system -- the "natural pacemaker" that causes the organ to beat. Most of these cases weren't deemed serious, although one patient did end up having a pacemaker implanted to help correct the problem. In four cases, doctors took patients off verapamil due to their EKG findings.

One in three (34 percent) developed non-cardiac side effects such as lethargy and constipation. 

"It is a very nice piece of work, because it provides commentary on a boutique [that is, niche and off-label] use of the drug," said Dr. Domenic Sica, professor of medicine and pharmacology in the Virginia Commonwealth University Health System. He was not involved in the study.

Cluster headache affects about 69 in every 100,000 people, according to the Worldwide Cluster Headache Support Group Web site. Men are six times more likely than women to be afflicted, and the typical age of onset is around 30. According to Goadsby, the disease manifests as bouts of very severe pain, one or many times per day, for months at a time, usually followed by a period of remission. 

Verapamil, a calcium-channel antagonist drug, is approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for the treatment of cardiac arrhythmias and high blood pressure. The medicine is typically given in doses of 180 to 240 milligrams per day to help ease hypertension. 

However, the patients in this study received more than twice that dose for the off-label treatment of their cluster headaches -- 512 milligrams per day on average, and one patient elected to take 1,200 milligrams per day. The treatment protocol involved ramping up the dose from 240 milligrams to as high as 960 milligrams per day, in 80 milligram increments every two weeks, based on EKG findings, side effects, and symptomatic relief. 

Many patients may not be getting those kinds of tests to monitor heart function, however: In this study cohort, about 40 percent of patients never got an EKG. 

Given the typical dosage, Sica said he was surprised so many patients were able to tolerate such high amounts of the drug.

"When used in clinical practice for hypertension, the high-end dose is 480 milligrams," said Sica. "Most people cannot tolerate 480."

Dr. Carl Pepine, chief of cardiology at the University of Florida, Gainesville, was also "amazed" at the doses that were tolerated in this study. "The highest dose I ever gave [for cardiology indications] was 680 milligrams. This might give me more encouragement to use the drug at higher dose," he said. 

But Sica said he thought cardiac patients -- the typical verapamil users -- were unlikely to tolerate the drug as well as the patients in this study, because verapamil reacts differently in older individuals, who are more likely to have high blood pressure, than in younger patients. The average patient in the United Kingdom study was 44 years old. 

According to Sica, two factors would conspire to make older individuals more sensitive to verapamil. First, the metabolism of the drug is age-dependent, meaning that older individuals would tend to have higher blood levels of the drug, because it is cleared more slowly than in younger individuals.

Secondly, the conduction system of the heart (the natural "pacemaker" becomes more sensitive to the effects of verapamil with age, Sica said. 

"It's likely that an older population would not be able to tolerate the same dose," he concluded. 

According to Goadsby, the take-home message of this study is simple: Be sure to get regular EKGs if you are taking verapamil for cluster headaches. Goadsby recommended EKGs within two weeks of changing doses, and because problems can arise over time -- even if the dose doesn't change -- to get an EKG every six months while on a constant dose. 

"The tests are not expensive, and they are not invasive," he said. "They are not in any way a danger to the patient."

For the most part, Goadsby said, should a cardiac problem arise, it will typically go away once the treatment is halted." 
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J Headache Pain. 2011 Jan 22. [Epub ahead of print]

Cardiac safety in cluster headache patients using the very high dose of verapamil (=720 mg/day).
Lanteri-Minet M, Silhol F, Piano V, Donnet A.

Département d'Evaluation et traitement de la Douleur Médecine palliative, Pôle Neurosciences Cliniques du CHU de Nice, Hôpital Pasteur Avenue de la Voie Romaine, 06002, Nice Cedex, France, lanteri-minet.m@chu-nice.fr.

Abstract
Use of high doses of verapamil in preventive treatment of cluster headache (CH) is limited by cardiac toxicity. We systematically assess the cardiac safety of the very high dose of verapamil (verapamil VHD) in CH patients. Our work was a study performed in two French headache centers (Marseilles-Nice) from 12/2005 to 12/2008. CH patients treated with verapamil VHD (=720 mg) were considered with a systematic electrocardiogram (EKG) monitoring. Among 200 CH patients, 29 (14.8%) used verapamil VHD (877 ± 227 mg/day). Incidence of EKG changes was 38% (11/29). Seven (24%) patients presented bradycardia considered as nonserious adverse event (NSAE) and four (14%) patients presented arrhythmia (heart block) considered as serious adverse event (SAE). Patients with EKG changes (1,003 ± 295 mg/day) were taking higher doses than those without EKG changes (800 ± 143 mg/day), but doses were similar in patients with SAE (990 ± 316 mg/day) and those with NSAE (1,011 ± 309 mg/day). Around three-quarters (8/11) of patients presented a delayed-onset cardiac adverse event (delay =2 years). Our work confirms the need for systematic EKG monitoring in CH patients treated with verapamil. Such cardiac safety assessment must be continued even for patients using VHD without any adverse event for a long time.

PMID: 21258839 [PubMed
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Nothing I can add to Bob and lances' posts, but welcome to the board!

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CSTrimble wrote on Aug 23rd, 2011 at 7:12am:
When I get hit with that familiar "twinge", I head straight to the bedroom. I open up my O2 regulator, fill the bag on my mask, and hit myself with the Imitrex auto-injector. While I'm doing this, my wife is getting a large cup of water and brings it to me so I can slug down a Maxalt and then get my mask on.

~Chuck


Please tell me that you aren't taking Maxalt and Imitrex and the same time!  You are not supposed to mix triptans.
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DANGER: mixing Triptans can be deadly!!!!
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Reply #6 - Aug 27th, 2011 at 6:10am
 
Actually, I realized I'm no longer taking Maxalt, but rather Treximet - which is still a triptan... and I am taking all these as prescribed.

Appears that The Beast is back as I had 2 40 minute bouts yesterday with about 15 mins in between...

Wimsey, Doc calls me "atypical" as compared to his other patients as we have found no pattern to my headaches.
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Reply #7 - Aug 27th, 2011 at 8:57am
 
Give us some reports on the Treximet. It's formulated and marketed for migraine, not recognized as a first line abortive for Cluster. So, you response to it will be of value.
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