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When does this end?
Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:00am
 
About two months ago I recieved my first cluster headache, and now that it is finally gone I am left with the worst opiate withdrawls.  I have been lucky enough to have my better half by my side, but I'm really starting to be a burden.  I lived 29 wonderful years without any real medical problems.  Now I feel like a fucking science experiment.  Take this pill for this problem then take this pill for that pill and so and so forth.  So I finally think everything is over, but now I NEED the pills.  I just wanted to know if anyone else feels this way.  I am literally going crazy with withdrawals. I went two nights without sleeping for more than an hour at a time and i cant do anymore pushups!  I cant stop moving, if I do I think my bones might jump out of my skin.  Please someone tell me Im not alone, and if there is anything I can do to help get through this.......
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Reply #1 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:35am
 
You're not alone. In comming here you've found a place full of people who either get CHs or support those with them. We all know exactly what it's like.

You've actually done well to get diagnosed in under two months as many people go for several years before they get a diagnosis.

Was the diagnosis from a neurologist specializing in headaches? CHs are not at all common and even most neurologists rarely see anyone with CH, so most are not too clued up on the correct treatment. The reason for getting the correct diagnosis is that there are several other conditions that can mimic CH.

Being given opiates for CH is all too common. I and many others have gone through being told to take them, finding they didn't touch the pain and then going through withdrawal. It hardly seems fair when you've done exactly what your doctors told you to do.

Luckily there are approaches that do work to make a huge difference to CHs that we've learnt here from the collective experience of many people and many doctors.

First off, a preventive will stop you getting as many CHs. Often you'll start with prednisione on a taper dose for about two weeks. This gives a different preventive time to build up to an effective dose, with verapamil being the most common, but lithium, topomax and others also being used. For verapamil a dose of 360-480mg a day is often effective, but some go to 1000mg a day.

Then you need something to kill off a CH when it arrives. For this oxygen at a high flow rate via a non-rebreather mask can kill off a CH in a few minutes. I normally get rid of mine in about 6 minutes or so (45-90 without). Read about oxygen on the link at the left of the page.

Imitrex injections can also kill off CHs quick, although they can be expensive and have side effects (unlike oxygen).

Energy drinks with taurine and caffeine, like Red Bull, Monster, etc, when taken at the start of a CH can reduce the intensity / duration.

The combination of vitamin D, Magnesium, omega 3 can help as a preventive too.

There is so much that can make a difference. Keep reading like mad, ask questions and you'll soon be suffering a lot less.

Where are you in the world? There are people from all over who can give local advice on CHs.
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Reply #2 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 10:21am
 
Please tell us where you live. Follow the next line to a message which explains why knowing your location and your medical history will help us to help you.

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You need a doc who knows how to treat headache. Opiates are grossly inappropriate for the vast majority of Cluster people.

Treating your Cluster and getting off opiates are two separate issues: don't confuse them. Get off the med and, at the same time, line up a headache doc.
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.

2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

6. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.
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See the PDF file, below. These are the types of meds which are stardard treatment for Cluster. Print out this article and use it as a discussion tool with any doc you see.
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Reply #3 - Sep 19th, 2011 at 10:37pm
 
I have been there... about 5 days for opiate withdrawal. Opiates are not the answer, and can make your headaches worse. Hang in there and keep communicating. We have lots of answers.
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Reply #4 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 12:50am
 
Manderson,

You need competent medical treatment to detox from your opiate addition and not from the idiot who prescribed the opiates for your cluster headaches. 

The best practice method of opiate detox involves the use of buprenorphine (sold under the trade-names of Subutex, Suboxone (buprenorphine with naloxone).  It's a 10 day to two week drydock.  There are clinics all over hell that provide this method of opiate detox.  Do your homework.  Going it alone is a recipe for failure...

If you want to read a story similar to yours with a happy ending, see the following link: Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

It's titled "Dancing With The Devil."

Take care,

V/R, Batch
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Reply #5 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 2:44am
 
Hello Manderson & Welcome to Clusterville

  All good advice above . . . and congratulations on getting a quick diagnosis. 

  You've hit the motherlode of CH info/caring/sharing and all here truly know your pain.

  I've been chronic since 1/01 . . . wife found this site for me 2/02 . . . was having 6-8 attacks daily, sometimes 3-5 at night.  This place gave me the info to take to my doc and finally get some control of this beast of ours.

  Currently, take no preventative other than water therapy and the D3, calcium nitrate, fish oil supplements.  When I feel him coming I'll slam a Rock Star orange energy drink and finish him off with 02 . . . if I don't stop the ramp and kill him quickly, I'll add an icepack, still huffing the 02, til he decides to give up.

  Re the opiates:  I've had a script for percocet for six years (osteo-arthritis), but, especially this summer, have developed major rebound attacks usually within 30 min of taking.  Today (working in shop) took 1/2 of 5 mg perc without attack . . . first in several days . . . have almost eliminated them from my regimen as I would rather deal with a seized back than endure multiple dances with the beast.

  You have much reading to do . . . ask any questions you may have . . . we DO understand and there's a wealth of information here which WILL help you understand why you're having this pain and the most effective means to alleviate (if not eliminate) same.

   Be Safe,

     Richard
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