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Crying as a trigger
Nov 20^th, 2011 at 1:20pm

Question for ya all.

Does anyone else get a cluster attack if they cry? Not like, everytime I cry. But if I'm headachie, or have a shadow, and already prone and emotional, and then cry, it will often trigger a cluster. Which, of course, triggers more crying. Thankfully, that doesn't then trigger another cluster, or else it would just be a vicious downward spiralling circle of hell and death.

Anyway. I was under the impression 'emotions' didn't trigger clusters. But, I am also quickly learning there are no real rules with clusters, so wondering if anyone else experiences this.

Thats all.

Renée

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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Crying as a trigger Reply #1 - Nov 20^th, 2011 at 1:59pm No. Usually the other way around, though.
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Re: Crying as a trigger
Reply #2 - Nov 20^th, 2011 at 4:00pm

Pure guess on my part: Emotions arise in the brain so, in that sense, may not be associated with triggering a cluster.

However--the guess--crying likely involves a nerve which servesof our head and which is part of the structure involved in Cluster generation. So, the process of crying, not necessarily the emotion, may trigger this nerve into action. ???????

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Mike NZ CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Oxygen rocks! D3 too! Posts: 3785 Auckland, New Zealand Gender:	Re: Crying as a trigger Reply #4 - Nov 21^st, 2011 at 1:38am I too often cry with a CH, but not the other way around. If you start crying just before the CH, it's possible that you're just reacting early to the build up that becomes a CH. Or is it where you've been crying a while or there is something non-CH related to trigger the crying?
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Re: Crying as a trigger
Reply #5 - Nov 21^st, 2011 at 4:13am

Sorry, will explain further.

A lot of times in the evening I'll be tired and have a headache. I won't have much energy to do much, so will watch a movie. Because I'm an emotional woman, I cry easily with a lot of my movies. So if one of my movies sets me off crying, the crying will sometimes trigger a cluster.

So, there seems to be clear pattern. Headahce. Strong emotions. Pre-Crying. Cluster. Post-Crying.

I know, you are thinking the solution is to watch a movie that doesn't make me cry. Doh! Tongue

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Guiseppi CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline San Diego to Florida 05-16-2011 Posts: 12063 SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA USA Gender:	Re: Crying as a trigger Reply #6 - Nov 21^st, 2011 at 9:06am I know, you are thinking the solution is to watch a movie that doesn't make me cry. Doh Oh that all of lifes problems could be solved so easily! Not a trigger for me. My guess is the stress of the event that makes you cry triggers the CH. Stress for me is a major trigger. That's THIS amateur doctors 2 cents worth! Joe
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Brew CH.com Sponsor CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 14163	Re: Crying as a trigger Reply #7 - Nov 21^st, 2011 at 9:59am A friend and I were talking on a sidewalk one day. He pointed at the casino across the street and said, "I always get into trouble when I go in there." I said, "Don't go in there."
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Re: Crying as a trigger
Reply #8 - Nov 21^st, 2011 at 1:01pm

Guiseppi wrote on Nov 21^st, 2011 at 9:06am:

I know, you are thinking the solution is to watch a movie that doesn't make me cry. Doh

Oh that all of lifes problems could be solved so easily! Smiley

Not a trigger for me. My guess is the stress of the event that makes you cry triggers the CH. Stress for me is a major trigger. That's THIS amateur doctors 2 cents worth! Wink

Joe

Yes, if it were only that easy. And like the casino joke, if it were only that easy. Stress is also a trigger for me. So is too much relaxation I think. If I am too chilled out, they seem to strike then too. I need to always keep myself in this in-between state of being active and busy, but not too stressed, and not too relaxed. But always on the go. Always a project in hand. I can watch a movie, but it is best to watch a movie with something to do. Watch a movie and paint my nails, or prep wax for candle making, or one of 1000 other things I do.

But if I actually just stop and enjoy it. Get absorbed, then BAM! Hello demon. Not that he doesn't strike at other times too, but it seems to be worse then. And the strong emotions of crying can bring it on, at least for me.

OK, I'm a strange one at least. I knew that already. No worries. I'm gonna go watch a movie now.

Renée

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Re: Crying as a trigger
Reply #9 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 7:56am

Hi Renee

A year ago I wouldn't have got you, But after my most severe bout late last year / early this year, I have to say yes, I've definitely gone there.
I has having up to 8 or 9 attacks a day and was very tired, that lead to emmotion and sadly, I have to admit, a degree of self pity. I cried many times and its strange how often I immediately started with a CH.
My conclusion of it was the same as Bobs, i.e. the physical act having a nervous effect, rather than an 'emotional trigger.

CFWishes to all
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Re: Crying as a trigger
Reply #10 - Nov 23^rd, 2011 at 2:16am

Andy T wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 7:56am:

Hi Renee

A year ago I wouldn't have got you, But after my most severe bout late last year / early this year, I have to say yes, I've definitely gone there.
I has having up to 8 or 9 attacks a day and was very tired, that lead to emmotion and sadly, I have to admit, a degree of self pity. I cried many times and its strange how often I immediately started with a CH.
My conclusion of it was the same as Bobs, i.e. the physical act having a nervous effect, rather than an 'emotional trigger.

CFWishes to all
Andrew

Andrew, I don't think you should ever be ashamed to admit self-pity. Especially with a condition such as CH. Just as long as you don't live there, visiting it from time to time is natural. Go there, cry, hate the world, swear at the gods, find your strength; then when the tears dry up, be strong again.

Renée

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Re: Crying as a trigger
Reply #11 - Nov 23^rd, 2011 at 6:48pm

MoxieGirl wrote on Nov 21^st, 2011 at 1:01pm:

If I am too chilled out, they seem to strike then too. I need to always keep myself in this in-between state of being active and busy, but not too stressed, and not too relaxed. But always on the go. Always a project in hand.

I think that's pretty common. When in cycle I've thought of it as having to stay engaged all the time, but not hyper stressed.

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Strictly relying on doctors for CH treatment is often a prescription that will keep you in a whole lot of PAIN. Doctors are WAY behind in many respects, and they are usually completely unaware of the benefits of high flow 100% O2.

There are lots of effective treatments documented at this site. Take matters into your own hands, learn as much as you can here and at clusterbusters.com, put it into practice, then tell this CH beast Jeebs said hello right before you bash him so hard with a swift uppercut knockout punch that his stupid horns go flinging right off.

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Re: Crying as a trigger
Reply #12 - Nov 24^th, 2011 at 7:09am

bejeeber wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2011 at 6:48pm:

MoxieGirl wrote on Nov 21^st, 2011 at 1:01pm:

If I am too chilled out, they seem to strike then too. I need to always keep myself in this in-between state of being active and busy, but not too stressed, and not too relaxed. But always on the go. Always a project in hand.

I think that's pretty common. When in cycle I've thought of it as having to stay engaged all the time, but not hyper stressed.

Yeah, you're not the first person I've heard say that. My problem is I'm not episodic. I'm chronic, so always in cycle.

No rest for the weary.

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Guiseppi CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline San Diego to Florida 05-16-2011 Posts: 12063 SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA USA Gender:	Re: Crying as a trigger Reply #13 - Nov 24^th, 2011 at 8:47am Yeah, you're not the first person I've heard say that. My problem is I'm not episodic. I'm chronic, so always in cycle. No rest for the weary. Have you checked out clusterbusters.com some of our most severe cases have beaten the beast back going that route. Joe
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