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Dec 4th, 2011 at 10:15pm
 
Hi, I know you cannot diagnose but I just need peace of mind while I wait for the neurologist referral to get processed (went through urgently but said it still may be a month) and been in hell for 2 months yesterday. Do you think I may be having cluster headaches, from your experience? Any advice would be helpful, thank you.

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PAST:
- I am 33, live in N. CA
- Diagnosed with chronic migraines when I was 16. Learned to manage, first through meds then recently mainly through trigger avoidance and acupuncture. Usually last 3 days - 2 weeks. Had a 23 dayer in Februrary and a 14 dayer in May. Otherwise, just 2 dayers about once every other month.
- Had one AWFUL 3 month episode when I was 19. Went through mri/cat/neuro tests, test, test, meds,meds,meds... they flipped bw/ migraine spell and cluster headache diagnosis and landed on migraine spell.
- Had one concussion from car accident when I was 26. tests again. Post concussive syndrome for 3 months. lived on ibuprofen.
- Car trunk hit my head earlier this early, didn't think much of it but did see stars, did cry and did fight myself not to fall asleep immediately afterward. (This is the only thing I forgot to mention to doctor).

NOW:
OCT. 3 - full migraine attack. I know this pain. I can recognize it. First two weeks typical level 9 migraine with added sharp stabbing knife above my eye. Took ergotomine, finally got the pain down to a 7-8 after week 2. But dizzy/aura hell with migraine flairs about 2x a day and ultra sensitivity every day for next 2 months. Hell. Again this pain I know, it has been gettting better with all the meds (ergotomines, topomax, prymathazine, gav...?).. I can say that I don't feel like the walls are breathing for the first time in 2 months. But the knife has become a pole in my mouth. It was like this pain was masked by the migraine. This pain I am not familiar with and is why I am here.
- It comes at about 2 pm, then at 10. the 2 pm is less mild lasts about half hour. the 10 pm last 2 hours. It feels like there is a metal pole stuck up my mouth piercing through the back of my eye and up to the top of my left head, where the knive/pencil/fork has been through the migraine. Unlike the migraine where I want to lie down, I find myself going to the restroom, sitting with my hand pressed over my left eyebrow as tight as possible and just rocking, rocking, rocking, sushing the pain away. I even find myself crawling like an animal. My whole body shakes from the pain and my face is hot, hot hot. I literally drink about a gallon of water during the night one. What concerns me is that my nose starts to run/left side... I blow it and there is a good amount of blood for the first five or so blows. Oh, I am also on a 30 day prednisone course, tapering down. They gave me percocet for my migraines (took them for a week and that has helped break the migraine hell) but I rejected another prescription b/c I don't want to deal w/ an addiction down the line. My nose bled again today during the 2 oclock one. My left eye bulges and nearly swells shut during the pain and then goes back to pretty normal when the worst is over. My left eye also burns like there is a whole habanero chili in it during the pain. I think cutting my right pinky would bring relief to my head during the episode... but I may need it later.

I have had no life for 2 months. Lost my job and am just devastated. I keep telling myself I am strong. That this will pass. But doctors are really slow and I can't believe they haven't done blood tests and that neuro referals take this long. Does this sound like Cluster Headaches to you or should I be concerned and advocating for myself further? I am not pain free in bw the episodes but that feels like migraine residue. I am also kicking myself for forgetting to mention the trunk hitting my head b/c it hit right where I feel this pole/knife. Please, any help is greatly, greatly appreciated. If I hear one more friend say they're sorry I am having another headache I may no longer be the "nice" friend they know me to be. Feeling so isolated in all this pain. Glad to have found this place. Thanks.
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Reply #1 - Dec 4th, 2011 at 10:30pm
 
WOW!  Shocked

My strictly layman opinion is it sounds like you may be one of the unfortunate souls who suffers from both migrains and cluster headaches.

Have you ever been given imnitrex stat dose pens for your migrains? These are also very effective on cluster headaches if you get them before the pain gets really intense.

You need to make sure the neuro you get referred to is a "Headache Specialist Neurologist." Most neurologists aren't that well versed in CH, and with a potential dual diagnosis, the expertise of a headache specialist is critical, both for an accurate diagnosis, and an effective treatment regimen.

For now, when you feel the CH "type" attack coming on, try drinking an energy drink as fast as you can, Rock Star, Red Bull, any containing the combo of caffiene and taurine, many can abort or reduce the intensity of a CH attack this way. Ice packs on the back of the neck on the attack side also help some.

If you're not already keeping a headache diary, start one. Keep detailed notes on all headaches, when they start, how fast the pain builds, how high it builds, how long it stays at peak, how fast it goes away. The more details the better. I find I can never remember critical details for the doc if I haven't recorded them. Your final diagnosis will be in the details and a diary really helps.

Go to the medications section on this board and read through the post "123 pain free days and I think I know why." It's a daily vitamin mineral supplement routine that's been providing relief for a lot of us. All OTC stuff, might help a little until you can get to a neuro.

If it does turn out to be CH, do not lose this website, you will not find a more comprehensive data base on CH anywhere. Wishing you some speed on your diagnostic journey, and some pain free time soon.

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Reply #2 - Dec 4th, 2011 at 11:09pm
 
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Reply #3 - Dec 5th, 2011 at 9:31am
 
Unless I missed it, you haven't identified who "they" are who prescribed the prednisone and the percocet. Nor am I clear if you are diagnosed with CHs. I mention this because the treatment for other headaches can often overlap, but just as often misapply, to CHs. A lot of what you describe does seem typical to CHs, but your case is a bit complicated. Please, if you are not seeing an informed and specialized neuro, who understands CHs, do get in touch with one and make an appointment. Blessings. lance
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Reply #4 - Dec 5th, 2011 at 3:33pm
 
Thank you so much for your replies. I really, really appreciate it. I had another episode last night. Hit around the same time but lasted about an hour and a half instead of two. Same pole up my mouth, behind my eye through the top of my head and chili in my eye. I have been taking a detailed diary of food, pain levels but not how long the pain lasts and builds, so I will do that now. I will also go get some red bull and see if that helps since the pattern suggests one may be coming soon. No blood last night but screaming, crawling, eye closed shut. I will definitely go through the cluster busters and the vitamins you mention. I am currently also seeing an acupuncturist weekly and taking b-complex (2 a night) and magnesium also ACV shots in the morning. I did take imitrex injections for years and that was very helpful but I built a tolerance to them and they are pretty ineffective at this point Sad.

"they" are both my primary care physician and the doctors I saw at ER and urgent care. The percocet and prednisone and gabitren were prescribed by pcp and topamax and ibu by uc. I went to ER and they sent me to urgent care as a migraine case. My primary care physician has pretty much said she doesn't know what to do anymore and has been consulting with her colleagues who also work in ER and say they treat migraines often. I haven't seen them but they read my charts, I assume. At this point, I kind of regret telling her not to give me another prescription to percocet but I just don't want an addiction. I was liking them too much and the fact that I wanted more made me say no to her before I even thought it through, helped that I was just at a 2 when I was at the appt, and was feeling strong.  I called this morning and left a message to ask about the neuro (make sure it is a headache specialist - just assumed she would do that). I almost went to ER last night again but I remembered that I survived the pain the other night and that I'd probably survive this one too. Also didn't have a ride and I just don't know if it is worth it - the waiting, etc. makes everything worse and I feel like they don't understand my pain. Last time told me to "calm down" and "if I was afraid to tell them something then they could get someone else" as if I was hiding something, when really all I was trying to hide was the uncontrollable pain I was feeling and not making a fool of myself in public. I am also taking 800 mg of Ibuprofen 3 times a day. And I saw a chiropractor daily for two weeks, aggressive reflexology, and massage. Feel like I have tried everything. And broke my bank at this point. Accu helps for a couple days though, so keeping with that since she has given me an affordable rate, too.
Feels like the migraine was keeping this pain masked but now that the migraine is going away this CH type pain is coming in stronger. It helps to know that it sounds like CH to you b/c I guess I am just scared that there is something that can happen suddenly and pop in my head b/c if feels a little wet inside my head sometimes, like right now when the pole is more of just a fork or knive. Is that typical? So exhausted from all this pain. Just so tired, but seeing that you all live with this and get through it, helps. If it turns out to be CH, then I can do it, too. Will def be checking this site for your tips - as my migraine experience has proven that sufferers know more ways around the pain than doctors usually do. Thanks again. Going for red bull now. Hope that helps. To healthy days ahead for you, too, Very Grateful, Cely
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Reply #5 - Dec 5th, 2011 at 4:18pm
 
Joe, thank you so much for the "123 pain free and i think i know why" thread... given that my migraine has kept me out of sunshine for 2 months, the d3 makes sense to me and the fact that i have been eating canned tuna and seaweed like nobody's business with lemon, lime, lemon also makes sense... i am taking these tips and hope i have the same results as others and batch... going to get d3 and fish oil and red bull now... before 2 comes...  thank you thank you thank you... crossing my fingers, toes ... thanks for the hope! - cely
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Reply #6 - Dec 5th, 2011 at 6:32pm
 
You should also try the O2.  See "Oxyen info" on the left.
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Reply #7 - Dec 5th, 2011 at 10:52pm
 
"when really all I was trying to hide was the uncontrollable pain I was feeling and not making a fool of myself in public"

wow, story of my life! i also get migraines and clusters, though not at the length you've described. i can't even fathom 3 months of migraines. unimaginable. all of your "cluster" symptoms sound familiar. but if i were you i would be a thorn in my doctor's side, especially considering your history of head trauma. i hope you get answers soon!
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Reply #8 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 4:40am
 
Reading all your messages as a whole, the picture I get is:
1. No skilled doc who knows the complexity of headache disorders is involved.
2. Treating yourself with a variety of meds/approaches which have no coherence as a treatment plan.
3. This picture being increased by well intentioned folks on this site offering yet more of their favorite treatments when none of us know what the problem is. This is neither wise nor ethical--for us to "treat" nor wise for you to accept and apply, again, not knowing what the medical problem is.
4. Pain drives us into action but not necessarily the most effective actions. So urge you to find a headache specialist and get a good diagnosis and treatment plan.
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.

2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

6. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.





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Reply #9 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 7:38am
 
I know this isn't what you want to hear, but it must be said anyway. Please pay attention to Bob's post above. A lot of what you have written concerning your symptoms do not correlate to CHs. Additionally, while I am not a neuro, I do know the way you describe the pain you feel may actually have a neurological condition attached with it...that pole in the mouth feeling. I know I had a combination of trigeminal neuralgia coupled with CHs, and by far the worst pain was the neuralgia, if you can imagine that as I suspect you can. Treatment for it was separate from the CHs. As Bob wrote, we will go to enormous ends to find a cessation to the pain, but in your case, you do not need the input of general practitioners any more. You need real specialist help. Good luck, and prayers are coming your way. Blessings. lance
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Reply #10 - Dec 7th, 2011 at 2:51pm
 
Bob Johnson wrote on Dec 6th, 2011 at 4:40am:
3. This picture being increased by well intentioned folks on this site offering yet more of their favorite treatments when none of us know what the problem is. This is neither wise nor ethical--for us to "treat" nor wise for you to accept and apply, again, not knowing what the medical problem is.



As a guilty party, excellent point, and spot on (as is the rest of the post).
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Reply #11 - Dec 7th, 2011 at 10:59pm
 
MANY thanks Bob! I really appreciate the facts and you considering all the (extensive- sorry!) info I gave. You are right. I do appreciate the previous feedback though, as in that moment, I really did need to hear that this sounded familiar... that I was not going to die from the pain. The best advice I think I received pre-yours was keeping a detailed diary of the pain level, etc. and the meds I took (as opposed to just food/weather w migraines). It has really helped me figure some things out. Like:
a) That taking meds (800 mg ibu still my preferred, but gabapentin and topamax help too) after these attacks was keeping my migraine from being retriggered.
b) The pain seems to be less on an empty stomach. Or the water just helps quicker. Time/journal entries will tell.
c) Keeping my thinking straight, recording FACTS has been a big challenge and yet the biggest key to getting through the harder moments when I feel exhausted from the pain.

Follow Up:

1. I got blood work done today for a "complete panel" to rule things out in the interim of my neurologist appt. (got the call... scheduled for MARCH...long wait!)

2. Will review the links you sent for specialists and hope that I can find something in my area that I can afford, etc. (as mentioned earlier, I'm in a financial lull and am relying on city medical services - which I am grateful for, but as expected, it comes with its limitations).

3. My migraine has definitely broke. I am pretty confident that it was the prednisone that broke it (30 day tapering course). Saw doc again yesterday. She was amazed at my migraine progress - my ability to speak, the color in my face, no more sunglasses, etc. I actually saw sunshine (in dec!) today for the first time in 2 months!!!!!! It was beautiful!

Also, I described the other attacks, and she said that it was "text book" cluster headache. My mother came to witness my pain and was able to notice things that I hadn't. Like the fact that the attacks come at exactly 1:30pm, 9:30pm, and 4am), that my eye droops (does not swell as I had felt it to), and that my nose only bleeds when I blow it too hard. I drink about 2 gallons of water during the attacks and for some reason this helps. Crawling at the peak of the pain also helps. It all begins with my heart feeling like its going to pound out of my chest and within minutes I am rocking back and forth with my hand pressed over my eyebrow, the stabbing knife becomes and exploding metal pole, etc. About half hour to one hour later, the worst is over and I am better but exhausted with a lingering knife or ice pick pain. Feelings you all probably know all too well.

4. Doc told me to take Gabapentin 3 times a day and topamax 2x a day for my clusters and to prevent the migraines from retriggering. She also prescribed me lidocaine as an abortive but the pharmacist said they don't make it anymore and refused to give me the prescription back. Is that okay to do? I felt like I had done something wrong. I cried to think that I would have no relief tonight (I was hopeful something would help) but I have noticed that the peak is lasting less every night so maybe this means its on its way out?

5. Now, that the migraine is gone, I do feel like I can get through this. At least I have relief in between but boy do I fear 9:30 pm. It's the worst one. Oh no, its 8 now... trying not to look at the time... my stomach starts to swirl w nerves at what awaits me... you call it the beast, but it feels like a demon to me...

6. I mentioned O2 to my doc and she said that she wanted to send me to the neuro before going down that route. Didn't understand why. She is urging them to move that appt further ahead as she thinks getting my head examined and bloodwork back b/c of the trauma is crucial before experimenting with too many medications. Is O2 dangerous?

7. This forum is my new best friend, as I will be seeing what you all do to cope with this incredible pain and hope that I find something that works for me. Definitely feeling empowered knowing that the CH was triggering my migraines and that I don't have to live with both all the time... that was hell in my head.

8. Many thanks again for the responses and resources, blessings and pain-free, healthy days to all.... Again, always Grateful for the support... it translates to strength somehow.

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