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Feb 7th, 2012 at 9:45am
 
I don't know that I have a specific question.  I would just like to (as briefly as possible) share my current scenario and ask if anyone has any advice.

In November, I had my first ever cycle, which lasted approximately 3 months before complete relief.  The cycle included weeks of nightly wake-up calls, many of which were of the most extreme intensity (don't think I need to explain to this group what that means).  The cycle finally broke mid-January.  I am currently taking 240 mg of Verapamil a day and had enjoyed approximately 3 weeks of CH-free days and nights.  However, for the past 5 days in a row, I have had CH of moderate severity (a real relative term after suffering the most severe, but still debilitating), that have all hit me within 2-3 hours of waking up.  As I write this, I feel I am currently starting my second CH of the day a mere 2 hours after the last one subsided and am about to pound a Red Bull.  I do not know if this means my cycle never ended, I'm starting a new cycle, this is just a hiccup, or what.  Does anybody have any thoughts or information that might help me before I start to panic that it's returning to full strength?  Thank you!!!
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Reply #1 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 10:03am
 
Please tell us where you live. Follow the next line to a message which explains why knowing your location and your medical history will help us to help you.

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I assume you have a medical Dx of Cluster? Seeing a headache specialist or ?

Predicting the outcome/development of Cluster is so impossible that the only outcome of trying to divine the future is to increase your anxiety & disability. See:
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Developing your knowledge of how to treat yourself, gaining confidence in your abilities to manage your life with Cluster--these are skills which will give more comfort than any brooding about the future.
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With a new Cluster situation, changes in your experience is very common before a stable picture develops. This is the period where working with your doc closely & often is needed to try varying doses and meds to find the combination which works well for you. This is a frustrating reality but that's the reality for most folks.

Your present Verap dose is rather low, as you will have seen from reading other messages. So, suggest you print out the PDF file, below, and use it as a tool to discuss options with the doc. (Since this is from a solid medical source, it should give you some leverage in the discussion.)
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Trust you have explored the buttons, left, starting with OUCH for some basic learning. Also see,




Cluster headache.
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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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Strongly encourage you to avoid the temptation to move from "cure" to "cure" quickly, seeking a fix. Most of us have our favorites but it's a barrier to make quick decisions about changes without some rational decision making worked out with your doc. (And if you don't trust your doc's knowledge/skill now--it's time to make a change.)
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At some point, it would be helpful for you and us to work on specific questions/issues.

Patience!
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Reply #2 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 10:17am
 
What Bob said! Undecided

Maybe it's a new cycle, maybe the other cycle never really ended and the low dose of verapamil was keeping it in check. The numerous "maybe's" can drive you nuts if you let them. I've gone thru periods of predictable 3 month cycles, 2 times a year for many years, only to hit an almost 2 year remission followed by an 8 month killer cycle. We say it a lot on the board but it's something you must learn to embrace:

Enjoy the pain free times, but ALWAYS be ready to do battle with the beast.

So if it does return to full force, just be ready to slay the beast. Whether it's with oxygen, the "Batch regimen", busting, whatever your prefernce, hit him with both barrels.

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Reply #3 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:47pm
 
Ok, I updated my profile.  I live in Miami, Florida.  I am currently seeing the same neurologist that previously treated me for migraines for the past 10 years.  I like the familiarity and the fact that he knows my history.  He was the one who recognized the change in my symptoms and diagnosed me with CH.  I find him to be a good and open-minded doctor, though I would not necessarily classify him as a CH specialist.  He is a life-long migraine sufferer, and he does not shy away from trying anything and everything because he feels he understands pain and the fact that everyone responds differently to different treatments.

I appreciate all of the information you provided, and it seems to me the answer is that everyone is different and that I should stay the course until it seems the course is not working, keep in contact with my neuro, and basically come to terms with the fact that this is a part of my life now and I have to be patient while I learn the best treatment for me.

Thanks again.  I have a follow-up in a few days with my neuro anyway, so we'll see how it goes.  Perhaps an upping of my Verapamil dosage is in order.



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Reply #4 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 2:17pm
 
I'm noticing that being on the medicine does not mean the cycle ends, it just keeps the pain at bay. You need to be on the medicine during the cycle to keep the pain at bay. I often can tell the pain is there, it's just dampened. When the intensity is way up, it "breaks through" even on the highest levels of relief (O2, Red Bull, Verapamil, Topamax, Clonazapam, Aspirin, Sumavel, and Cambia). However, at the lowest levels, taking nothing, the pain is manageable. Therefore, the cycle may never have ended, the pain may just be ebbing and flowing. Seems many of us are experiencing a rather long cycle right now. Could be coincidence, could be weather patters, could be the moon cycle. Who knows. All I know is that it sucks. I'm battling a double cycle from October to now, no end in sight, biggest dose of meds (see above) that I've ever taken still with the worst pain I've ever experienced. I don't know how you all have done this for so many years. I'm only suffering over the last few years with this. My hat is off to you.
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Reply #5 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 2:55pm
 
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He is a life-long migraine sufferer,

I think that he can only imagine the pain of clusters.
If you dont have them...you dont know.
My best advice besides listen to Bob is study. You are your own best judge. Knowledge is power when battling CH. Study up on 02, and basic known information.
Here are the traditional treatments.
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For alternatives...study first!
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National Headache Foundation
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That is just the tip of the iceburg. There is much more.
the more you know the better the fight.
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