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A New Pill?
Feb 14th, 2012 at 8:03am
 
Hi all,
My huband uses was diagnosed a little over a year ago with Cluster headaches. He's been dealing with them since he was in grade school. He's 25 years old. He's been managing by himself (sans oxygen, sans mass H2O).
We were initially prescribed metaprolol as a preventative. It works well when he takes 50 mg (2 pills) each morning. However, they're time-sensitive. So, for example, if he doesn't take them by 10:00am, he usually has headaches that day.
I've been on and off this website for about 6 months now. looking for tips, help, support. It's been more than helpful. This website is where I found the water trick. For that, I am eternally grateful.
We were finally able to afford the medication that was initially prescribed by the neurologist we saw. I wasn't sure if anyone had heard of it...
It's a quick-dissolving,white pill called Maxalt. One tablet, 20 minutes, no headache. Has anyone else seen these results?

I was wondering if we're the only ones out there. While technically approved for migrane headaches, it's done wonders for us. However, they are as expensive as I'll get out! When our deductible hasn't kicked in, $33/pill, and you only get 3 at a time. That lasts us about a week. We're spending about $88/week on 3 pills. Then insurance kicks in and it's about $30/3 pills, so $10/pill and that's a lot more managable. Too bad we have a $5,000 deductible...
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Reply #1 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 8:32am
 
Maxalt is one more type of Triptan...

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The one most people talk about on here is Imitrex, but they are all very similar.  All of the triptans were originally designed as migraine meds, but it's usually one of the first lines of defense for aborting cluster headaches too.  Some people have felt that taking too many triptans too often can start to give you rebound headaches, but the jury is still out on that one.

Glad to hear your husband has found something that works, even if it costs an arm and a leg!

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Re: A New Pill?
Reply #2 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 8:59am
 
Since cost is an issue, look into welding oxygen. You can purchase a regulator off of E-Bay for less then $50, rent the tanks, and just pay for the oxygen you use. On a "per abort" cost, it'll will probably be a tenth of what the triptan is costing you. My aborts run 6-8 minutes just huffing 02. Fast, effective, no side effects, been a real game changer for many.

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Reply #3 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 9:41am
 
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Baclofen has received scant attention as a preventive. Medical studies appear to rate it a less effective than Verapamil.

Metoprolol is a preventive med used for migraine but I could find no reference to its use with Cluster.
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I wonder if you neuro has much experience with Cluster? The use of these two meds suggests not.
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Unless he has compelling reason for using baclofen, Verap. is broadly reognized as first choice for prevention.
Suggest you print out the following and give to him.
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Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   

Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.
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Also print out and give the PDF file, below.
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Maxalt is good for Cluster although not as fast acting as Sumatriptan injection. But your experience rules.

In terms of cost, the following is nearly as rapidly effective as Sumatriptan but much less expensive, on a per dose basis, than the triptans. It would be worth print following for your doc. (Not appropriate if he is having multple attcks per day but one dose a day is O.K. for us.)

Headache 2001 Sep;41(8):813-6 

Olanzapine as an Abortive Agent for Cluster Headache.

Rozen TD.
Department of Neurology, Jefferson Headache Center/Thomas Jefferson University Hospital, Philadelphia, Pa.

OBJECTIVE: To evaluate olanzapine as a cluster headache abortive agent in an open-label trial. BACKGROUND: Cluster headache is the most painful headache syndrome known. There are very few recognized abortive therapies for cluster headache and fewer for patients who have contraindications to vasoconstrictive drugs. METHODS: Olanzapine was given as an abortive agent to five patients with cluster headache in an open-label trial. THE INITIAL OLANZAPINE DOSE WAS 5 MG, AND THE DOSE WAS INCREASED TO 10 MG IF THERE WAS NO PAIN RELIEF. THE DOSAGE WAS DECREASED TO 2.5 MG IF THE 5-MG DOSE WAS EFFECTIVE BUT CAUSED ADVERSE EFFECTS. To be included in the study, each patient had to treat at least two attacks with either an effective dose or the highest tolerated dose. RESULTS: Five patients completed the investigation (four men, one woman; four with chronic cluster, one with episodic cluster). Olanzapine reduced cluster pain by at least 80% in four of five patients, and TWO PATIENTS BECAME HEADACHE-FREE AFTER TAKING THE DRUG. Olanzapine typically alleviated pain within 20 minutes after oral dosing and treatment response was consistent across multiple treated attacks. The only adverse event was sleepiness. CONCLUSIONS: Olanzapine appears to be a good abortive agent for cluster headache. IT ALLEVIATES PAIN QUICKLY AND HAS A CONSISTENT RESPONSE ACROSS MULTIPLE TREATED ATTACKS. IT APPEARS TO WORK IN BOTH EPISODIC AND CHRONIC CLUSTER HEADACHE.

PMID 11576207 PubMed

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Olanzapine has a brand name of "Zyprexa" and is a antipsychotic. Don't be put off by this primary usage. Several of the drugs used to treat CH are cross over applications, that is, drugs approved by the FDA for one purpose which are found to be effective with unrelated conditions--BJ.
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Since this abstract was first posted Zyprexa has appeared in some lists of recommended meds for CH. [BJ]
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Reply #4 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 2:07am
 
Maxalt Melts work great for my migraines, but for a CH I don't want to be waiting 20 minutes so I use oxygen to kill them off.

In NZ, I get 12 of them for a NZ$3 perscription cost, which is about US$2.40. Obviously the cost comes out of the normal income taxes I'm paying...
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Reply #5 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 8:13pm
 
Maxhalt, relpax, amerge, frova, imitrex...all triptans of one molecular variation or another...uck. But if it works it works. They try all the migreaanee treatments on us, most fail or have initial results and then rebounds or complete failure...best results..Imitrex statdose. Just my experience. Check your headache diary, you may find he would have a ch at that time a day in any event.


We were finally able to afford the medication that was initially prescribed by the neurologist we saw.
Hit them up for free samples. Wink
all the best
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Reply #6 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 8:35pm
 
First it was Zomig, then maxalt. From what i do remember they worked well at first ( like 2 weeks) then they were no more than tic tac.

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Reply #7 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 9:02pm
 
Thanks coach. I knew I left one out. I had that twitch in the melon... Smiley Smiley
Not alot of sleep lately.... Smiley
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Reply #8 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 10:47pm
 
It's been a long time since I've been on this forum, but I'm having great luck this headache season with avoiding the CH's.  Last winter my doctor prescribed Maxalt, and it was effective. However, he also prescribed a vitamin cocktail, which I took all summer.  Vit D3, melatonin, magnesium, and fish oil.  I'm not sure what has knocked them out, but I haven't had to take the Maxalt for a while now.   
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