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Cluster or Migraine?
Feb 19th, 2012 at 4:01pm
 
I am writing this in hopes of knowing, truly, what kind of headache I have. Last night was one of the worst nights I've ever had with headaches. My wife brought me to the ER where they gave me a few shots for migraines...but I still have a headache at this very moment, even after the shots.

How my headaches start:
It always starts the same. Back of the head, upper neck area...always on the left side. It starts to ache and throb then it moves to behind my left eye- it feels like something is pushing behind my left eye. It will wake me from a dead sleep and stop me cold. Excedrine is the only medication that has ever worked for it, but last night was one of the few exceptions where nothing I took would help. My headaches usually cause nausea, loss of appetite and sometimes vomiting. Sometimes I also get sensitive to light and smells (I have a strong stomach, but during one of the headaches I want to vomit if I smell something I don't like). Most doctors get stuck on the sensitivity to light and nausea to point at migraines, but nothing for migraines has ever worked.

How I think my headaches started:
When I was a kid (about 10) I fell off a slide. I hit the hack of my head on the stairs as I fell (about 6 of them I think) and was rushed to the hospital where they threw a band-aid on me and told me to keep a cold compress on my head. Since then, I've had headaches come and go for no reason. I've had neck manipulations from doctors and chiropractors...they helped for a while but they never fully went away.

19 years of pain:
When I found out that Excedrine was the only think that worked for me, I began to keep it on my at all times. I had the dissolving tabs (when they used to sell them) in my upper left pocket at all times. Now I just carry a small bag of pills in my pocket. Last night my headache started at 5pm, and I still have it lingering in my head some 19hours later (I think mainly from me trying to pop my neck so much, smacking it with a cold compress and pressing in my eyes for 5 hours). On pain scales it usually is a 6 (enough to cause discomfort, keep me awake and just lie awake) but last night was about an 8.5 (can't sit or lie still, thinking of jamming a pen in my eye to make it go away, etc.).

Caffeine seams to work, but I don't know if I'm making it worse. Sometimes I'll take Meclizine or Benedryl if Excedrine doesn't work...but last night nothing seamed to work. The only thing I haven't tried was the oxygen (as suggested in the tips). All migraine medication prescribed to me and even given to me last night didn't work, so now I'm at a loss. I called in sick to work today (now the forth time in the last couple months due to these debilitating headaches) and I just wish they would go away! I also have a son on the way, God I hope these aren't genetic.
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Re: Cluster or Migraine?
Reply #1 - Feb 19th, 2012 at 5:09pm
 
Welcome to the board. I can see why the docs are confused, you speak of a lot of symptoms that point to clusters, and then some that point to migrains. There are members of this board who  suffer from and are treated for BOTH CH and migrains, so sadly that's also a possibility.

That being said it's time to dump the GP's and try to get a referral to a headache specialist neurologist. GP's and even garden variety neuros do not have the education, or experience to plough thru the hundreds of headache types, especially a case like your which shows indications of overlapping diagnosis.

Until then...start a headache diary. When they start, how fast they build, how high they build, how long they stay at peak, how fast they go away. You'll be amazed at how fast patterns begin to emerge. Your diagnosis will lie in the details, so the more details you can put in your diary, the better chance at an accurate diagnosis and effective treatment regimen. Which doesn't do diddly to help you for now.....

Get a 4 pack of energy drinks. Rock Star, Red Bull, any containing the combo of caffiene and taurine. Chug one down at the first sign of an attack. Many can abort or at least reduce the intensity of their attacks this way.

Ice packs at the base of the neck on the effected side. For the night time wake up hits, get some melatonin. An OTC sleep aid. Start with 9 mg about 30 minutes before bedtime. Some go as high as 18 mg so you may have to experiment a bit. Many can avoid the wake up hits this way.

Avoid alcohol, a very common trigger for many CH'ers while on cycle.  These are all band aids that will help you get by until you can get in to a headache specialist. Track how effective these treatments are as this will also help with your diagnosis. Good luck and please keep us posted. Let us know what area you live in, maybe someone can point you to a qualified doc.

Joe

PS: there are some studies that show a slightly higher rate in the children of CH'ers but it's only slightly higher then the general population so don't lose sleep over it.
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Reply #2 - Feb 19th, 2012 at 5:15pm
 
We don't, we can't, we won't diagnose. It's not safe, it's not ethical.

There is a cluster quiz, left of this page, which you can take but it must be an M.D. who does the finally job.

In addition, there are a number of serious disorders which MIMIC Cluster and can, therefore, be troublesome to the best doc.

See: 
Link to: cluster-LIKE headache.
Section, "Medications, Treatments, Therapies --> "Important Topics" --> "Cluster-LIKE headache"

The issue is more complex when head injury is in the picture.

We strongly recommend working with a headache specialist, if at all possible, because so many docs have very little training in this complex area of medicine.

LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.


2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

6. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.





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Reply #3 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 12:50am
 
Guiseppi wrote on Feb 19th, 2012 at 5:09pm:
Avoid alcohol, a very common trigger for many CH'ers while on cycle. 


See, it's comments like this that are making me wonder if I've always had Cluster Headaches. Drinking just a couple of beers sometimes would automatically give me a headache...I thought it was dehydration and my family would always just say "that means you need to drink another one!" When you say "on cycle" I'm guessing that cluster headaches come in cycles?

Thanks for the info...also I just found out today that it sounds like my mother has had Cluster Headaches too...same symptoms and everything.

When I was in the service, I had a PA diagnose me with Cluster Headaches. I just thought he was another goof throwing a diagnoses and some pills my way...but maybe he was on to something. Looking at the CH videos it has me down to a T...but it doesn't help that I still have a headache at this very moment. 29hrs and going! I hope I just need another neck manipulation...the fact that the pain was so bad yesterday just got me and my wife scared. I realize you guys aren't doctors, I'm just sick of seeing doctors and getting meds that don't do anything but make my pockets empty and more frustrated at the system.

I honestly think the info will help my mom more than anything...told her about cluster headaches and oxygen therapy. She's been on pain meds for a while and doc have even told her to stop going to the chiropractor as they are blaming each other for the cause (chiropractor blames the meds, doctors blame the chiropractor).

Also to the mods- this isn't my first run in a forum. I read all the rules and checked your little quiz. I just wanted an OPINION from those that are actually "Clusterheads" so that I could make my own decision than just believe the guy in the scrubs sitting across from me.
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Reply #4 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 1:36am
 
I get both CH and migraines. Some of your symptoms sound like one, some the other and some a mixture of the two or they could be something else, after all we're not medical doctors here.

What you need to do is to work with a headache specialist to get a diagnosis of which headache type or types that you are suffering from.

Joes's advice about a headache diary will be very useful to help them with the diagnosis.
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Reply #5 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 8:05am
 
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Also to the mods- this isn't my first run in a forum. I read all the rules and checked your little quiz. I just wanted an OPINION from those that are actually "Clusterheads" so that I could make my own decision than just believe the guy in the scrubs sitting across from me.


Hey there, Riot, glad you found us. In the quote above you sound pretty stressed, and I can understand that given the level of pain you're experiencing. Our "little quiz" is as close as we come to helping you arm yourself when describing symptoms to a knowledgable doc. As Joe pointed out, some of your symptoms seem to fit CHs, some don't. Especially the length of time for an attack. CHs "typically" are of short duration although they feel like an eternity. You do need a good neuro, especially since you may be dealing with more than one type of headache. Some meds cross over and assist both CHs and migraines, like triptans. Some don't. The good news is if you find out you do have CHs there are ways to deal with the attacks. The bad news is there is no cure yet. I pray you will find the relief you seek, and the knowledge you need to assist in your recovery. Blessings. lance
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