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Mar 7th, 2012 at 4:47pm
 
Hi everyone,

I have just started having what the doctors think is cluster headaches. My Doctor has taken some blood and I'm waiting for the test results to see if it's something viral instead. My doctor said that if it is cluster headaches then I should take Paracetamol and ibuprofen together.

I had to go to A and E one time as it was so bad and they gave me Co-Codamol. As the Co-Codamol doesn't even touch the headache, I'm wondering how effective Paracetamol and ibuprofen will be. Has anyone else had any success with this combination?

Thanks,

Paul
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Reply #1 - Mar 7th, 2012 at 7:41pm
 
If you think you will stick around for a time----

Please tell us where you live. Follow the next line to a message which explains why knowing your location and your medical history will help us to help you.

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Your doctor has displayed his ignoance of treating Cluster.
These are both pain meds, a class of drugs which have no use with Cluster (with a minor exception I don't want to get into).

If alll possible, suggest you find a headache specialist.
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Search the OUCH site (button on left) for a list of recommended M.D.s.


2. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

3.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register On-line screen to find a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

6. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.
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The basic issue is that doctors, even neurologists, receive rather little education in this complex area of medicine. Starting with the most skilled will be a real benefit to you.

To lend some medical weight to this suggestion, read this article for some background in Cluster:




Cluster headache.
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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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Print out the PDF file, below and file. It's a good tool to lead discussions with any doc you see AND it will outline the primary meds used for Cluster.

In addition to receiving better treatment, a skilled doc will do a good diagnostic work-up. Important because there are a number of disorders, some rather serious, which mimic Cluster but which are not headache. Rather important to be treating the "right" disorder.

As you have time, explore the buttons, left, stating with the OUCH site. Getting in touch with a basic understanding of Cluster plus learning the lingo and meds will give you some comfort that comes with understanding.

Please stay in touch as you progress.....




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Reply #2 - Mar 8th, 2012 at 5:01am
 
Thanks very much for the reply. I live in the UK and my experiences so far lead me to believe that the first ports of call (A&E, GPs etc) don't have much in the way of training when it comes to dealing with clusters.

My first attack was about midday on the 25/02/12. I didn't know what was happening, I get the occasional migraine but this pain was completely different. It was behind my right eye, in my temple and also made its way into my top teeth and down into my jaw. I took the standard painkillers and it went after about 2.5 hours.

I didn't get the next one until a week later on the 03/03/12. This one happened at about 2am and woke me from my sleep (I had been asleep for about 2 hours). This is only the second time in my life I have experienced what I'd describe as pain level 10 (the first being when I suffered with a kidney stone about 10 years ago). It was the same pain in the same places but much more intense. I couldn't get comfortable in bed so I got up and was pacing around the room. I decided I needed to go to A&E. After 2.5 hours the pain had gone and as I still hadn't been seen by the doctor (I was also very tired by this point), I went home.

I had booked an appointment with my GP but I had another attack the next day (04/03/12). This one reached an 8 on the scale and so I returned to A&E. Again, I had to wait for about 3 hours and the pain had gone but I stuck around and saw the doctor. He said it sounded like cluster headaches and gave me some 30/500 Co-Codamol. I had another attack on the Monday (5/03/12) which reached about a 6 on the scale. I saw my doctor on Tuesday (06/03/12) and that's when he took some blood and suggested taking the Paracetamol and Ibuprofen. I will get my blood tests back tomorrow. I didn't have an attack yesterday but I what I guess is shadows (at about level 4) all day. I've got a feeling that I'll have another today but fingers crossed that it doesn't happen. 
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Reply #3 - Mar 8th, 2012 at 6:56am
 
Location changes the picture!

Contact your excellent support group for guidance in moving to a headache clinic, by-passing the local docs.
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It's striking how many folks from the UK tell the same story--poor skills by local docs. Fortunately, there are some good specialty clinics available to you which give good treatment.
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