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Carl D
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Aug 3rd, 2012 at 6:53am
 
Been awhile since I've been here. I need to check in more often. Was sad to learn OUCH is no more, and I am guessing with FarceBook, that has slowed down this site alot. Anyway... right to the point.

I see a pain management doctor for my back (which is crumbling at L2, L3 & L4, with L5 & L6 buldging, degenerative back disease, spinal stinosis, etc.) And also for hip pain (they found out my hip is jagged rather than pointed, which has caused all of the leg problems over the years.) That, and I was diagnosed with R.A. back in early 2010 which, is every musicians nightmare - and I just landed a job in a covers band replacing one of the best guitarists in the midwest.
Anyway, I get spinal injection every 2 weeks or more, knee and shoulder injections.

This doc doesn't play around, either. He is in the room, "How's your pain?" "Where does it hurt the most?" and then orders up whatever he thinks will benefit you most, then you wait to go into the 'needle room' until he comes in, does the shots FAST so he can get the next patient in there. In other words - the guy has so many patients, he doesn't play around at all.

(Trust me, I am going somewhere with this...)

I've been out of cycle due to busting methods, and while seeds don't really work for me, the prime method works after 2-3 doses. However, none to be found at the present time... and I started back into cycle a few weeks ago. Mostly hits around this time of the morning, but none the rest of the day. However, if I go to lay down for a lengthy period - I get hit in the evenings - but no daytime hits.
I had an appointment I think it was just over 3 weeks ago, and the pain management doc was standing there and said, "You look pretty worn out."
"Well, not getting much sleep these days due to the clusters coming back.
He looked right at me, "You have cluster headaches right now?" I told him that, I was in cycle again and he did something I did not expect: he sat down.

"I've had cluster headaches since I was 16 years old." He said. Blew my mind!!! I reaffirmed what he just told me, "YOU have clusters? Really?"
"Yes, I would get them so bad that, just over 2 years ago I had to shut down the clinic for what was it... 2 months?" He looked up at the assistant who said, "2 and a half months. We didn't think he was coming back." Then he told me how frustrating it got getting hit at the office in front of patients, having to cancel them for the day until he had to shut his doors since he could no longer operate with the CH's.
"What do you use to combat the CH's with?" He asked. I told him I was on Verapamil and use o2, but that's pretty much it as far as trying to deal with them. Then he said something that blew my mind even further.
"The next time you get hit during office hours, don't abort it. Get down here right away. I have something to try on you I learned in Singapore that got rid of mine, but you HAVE TO BE IN AN ATTACK for me to be able to do this." I freaked out, since he is literally right up the road from me a few miles away!

Well, I kept going in my pattern until this past weekend, it switched up on me and Sunday I started getting hit later in the A.M. - then again in the afternoon. I knew then that, I would be paying him a visit this week.
Wednesday was the big day!
Around noon-ish, I started feeling the pressure that, I knew wasn't just a shadow. Grabbed the o2, jumped in the truck and rushed down to his clinic. Walked in, and at first the nurse had taken me to the other side and was going to give me an injection of some sort. I told her that the Doc SPECIFICALLY SAID for me to see HIM. So, she took me back to his side, and within a couple of minutes they had me in room 5, and he was in there in no time.

He took one look at me and asked, "How severe is it right now?"
"About a level 3 out of 10, but ramping up slow!" He had me sit on a stool and lean my forehead into the bed. He then gave me two shots in the back of the neck & that first one sent the rolling stool out from underneath me, but I kept my head down since, I KNOW the risks. He did the injection and had me lie down.
"I know this is hard, but give this a couple of minutes to work." He told me. Since I couldn't rock or anything, my legs were going back and forth 100 miles a minute. "Feeling any reprieve?"
"No."
"We'll give it one more minute." He asked again, and same thing: pressure is still ramping and my eye is severely watering now. At that, he killed the lights.
"Nurse, go get me a 4 by 4." I had no idea wtf that meant, but laid there for a bit longer. She came in with a syringe, no needle. "Okay, tilt your head back and don't let this go down your throat. If it starts to, spit it in this napkin." He gave me a few squirts down the left nostril, then a couple down the right (as I was getting hit on the left.) "Just let it rest in your nasal cavitiy."
About a minute passed and he asked, "Any reprieve?" I started to say no, but then I felt it starting to fade a bit.
"It feels like it's affecting it." About another minute went by, and all the pressure started subsiding. "How is it now?"
"It's fading out. I think it's going away." I said in disbelief. He then had me sit up and, within 2-3 minutes of him giving me the nose drops, it was down to just a twinge in my temple, which also faded. He then explained what he just did to me

"I wanted to make sure it wasn't such and such nerve that was affecting your clusters, so I initially gave you an Occipital Nerve Block. Since that didn't work, I did a Sheno Palatina (sic?) block that, you can do yourself at home anytime you get hit." I asked him what was in it, and it is a combo of Lidocaine, Epinephrine and something else I can't remember. Now here is the beautiful part.
"You can use this with o2, but probably won't need to since this works pretty fast and the important thing is, not only does this abort the CH, but it breaks the cycle after a few uses to a few weeks of use. I'm writing you a script for this combo, but here are 5 syringes that each have 3 doses for 3 attacks in a day."
I dropped off the script at the downstairs pharmacy, and got a call back a couple of hours later, "Your insurance won't cover this so I called upstairs, and your doc cancelled the script."
"WHAT?"
"He said when you come in next week, he will load you up with as many doses as you need and will keep you stocked up on it."
I am still in awe!!!
I wound up getting hit Wednesday evening, and used the drops on myself. Just like in his office, it worked within a couple of minutes! However, that was Wednesday evening. I haven't been hit since then!

So I am in shock!!! A new treatment that aborts quick, requires no o2 and best of all, builds up after use and BREAKS THE CYCLE!!!
Now we all know the odds of having CH - but what are the odds of finding out your PAIN MANAGEMENT DOC HAS CH? Not to mention, he is right down the street from me? I feel like buying a lottery ticket!

I went to bed early last night just waiting for the beast to bring it on... but woke up of my own volition this morning. So, I am going to find out the correct spelling of what this block is and what else is in it, I will let you guys know. I figure if this will help a chronic who only went episodic bi-proxy of busting methods... this might help quite a few other people.

I've heard so many people mention getting the Occipital Nerve Blocks, but never heard of anyone getting one WHILE IN A CH! Apparently, that is how he ruled out whether it would work or not, and proceeded with this new treatment. You have no idea how in awe I still am at all of this. When I asked him if having clusters made him choose pain management as his specialty he responded, "Of course." and smiled. I guess if I had plans to go to med school and had CH, I would probably pick pain management myself. After all, I'm sure he probably had to put up with his fair share of quacks while he was younger too.
But I will never look at my doc the same way again. Instead, the man has become my personal hero.

Just had to share this with everyone here. I expect my jaw to lift up off of the floor in a couple of weeks.  Wink

Peace & Future,
Carl D
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Terrific story! I couldn't be happier for you, Carl

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Reply #2 - Aug 3rd, 2012 at 9:08am
 
Me too Carl....thanks for sharing this and good luck to you.
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Reply #3 - Aug 3rd, 2012 at 12:20pm
 
I LOVE stories like this  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

   May this continue to be your magic bullet, and this doctor be rewarded in heaven.  Let us know exactly what this is when you find out.  I'm happy for you Carl.
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Reply #4 - Aug 3rd, 2012 at 1:06pm
 
Awesome story Carl! 
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Please keep us posted on your progress Wink

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Reply #5 - Aug 3rd, 2012 at 10:09pm
 
After your fb posts I have been checking here for the back story. All I can say is WOW. I hope this does break your cycle's neck. Kick his ass Carl!!!

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Reply #6 - Aug 4th, 2012 at 9:13am
 
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and I just landed a job in a covers band


I've been going downtown to the waterfront on weekends with old friends for the free concerts every weekend, last night was Lou Graham.  He did all the Foreigner hits (Dirty White Boy being a descriptively defining song for me of it's time Wink )  The first band is usually a really good cover band, lots of ZZ Top.  Great atmosphere and a lot of fun.  Next one will be Mark Farner of Grand Funk.  It's cool connecting once again and meeting girls.  (Crap, am I really this old now)

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Reply #7 - Aug 4th, 2012 at 12:51pm
 
Linda_Howell wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 12:20pm:
I LOVE stories like this  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

   May this continue to be your magic bullet, and this doctor be rewarded in heaven.  Let us know exactly what this is when you find out.  I'm happy for you Carl.


Thanks Linda, Jimi, LasV, Charlie & Kevin. So far so good. Since I did the 2nd abort on Wednesday, I haven't had one cluster! I am beyond amazed at this new treatment.

I STILL have to say, what are the odds of not only finding such a Dr like this, but it being someone that is literally 5 miles away, right on my street?

Dennis, I HAD no choice but to come here with the news. There have been so many people help me out through the years, and I've learned so much from others here on how to not only combat these bastards, but also have had much support here over the years (even those first 5-7 whiny years, lol.)
As they say, if you can't pay it back - pay it forward, and that is what I try to do!
The is why I am obligated to share this with anyone else it might eventually help, ESPECIALLY chronics who are scared of 'busting.' This may be the ultimate alternative to even that since, it builds up over use and eventually blocks the CH's.

I also need to frequent this site more. It seems that Facebook has taken over everyone on the fricken planet, and while things have slowed down on here from all of the CH groups on FB - This is still the very first place I ever found someone who KNEW what this is, and therefore have made a vow to check in at least once a week. I've missed some of you who aren't FBookers, and I know a handful of y'all missed me.  Grin

Kevin, it's been great playing out again. Depending on how the arthritis affects my fretting hand (which is the hand it is attacking the most), I've got maybe another 5-7 years of guitar playing left in me so might as well play out while I still can. Right now, I see my future with music being in programming, production and orchestration. At least I know where to go from  the worst possible scenario into a whole new best possible one. Wink

Peace & Future,
Carl


PS. I've also learned that when some people say, "Don't worry about paying me back, just pay it forward." What they REALLY mean is, "Don't worry about paying me back, just pay it forward - and then make sure you pay me back or I will smear you for life."
I guess that is where I learned that, if I give to someone, I should be doing it with the expectation of NOT being repaid; that way there are no hard feelings.

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Reply #8 - Aug 9th, 2012 at 2:31pm
 
Just a quick update...

The syringes my Doc gave me started losing thier potency on Sunday, and so the first couple of days of the week sucked. I'd use the solution which, had lost its numbing abilities, then have to hit the o2 which, I am down to 15lpm until I can figure out how to fix the seal on my 25lpm (the one that fits to the tank is gone and o2 leaks out BAD!)

I saw my PM Doc yesterday and, since the insurance won't cover it, the pharmacy called and said my doc would keep me in supply. I told him about what happened with the syringes, and he told me to keep it in the fridge. When I went to leave, I figured he would set me up with some more syringes filled.
Instead, he gave me two full vials (large ones) and some syringes so I can load them myself and keep them fresh!!!

It is only two things: Mainly Lidocaine (believe it or not) and Epinephrine, which basically extends the active agent for a longer period. He said that after a few weeks, they should be gone. So far, he has been right about the treatment, as I got to use a very cold dose at 5:30am that made it worse on impact... but it was gone in 320 seconds!

Right now, this treatment is saving me alot of grief. But that is the gist of it. Will keep everyone updated as I continue this treatment & see how it goes.

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there is no seal.  If there was it would go shit.

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Hey Carl,

You should be able to get a regulator seal from an O2 supplier. In the the meantime try using the one from your 15L reg on the 25L.

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Reply #11 - Aug 26th, 2012 at 12:54pm
 
Great to read about this. My special gift, CH are back again. For about 2 weeks and running. Thus far O2 and Ice Packs have worked but I am totally sleep-deprived and need to break the cycle. I leave for our place in Mexico after labor day and want to be done with these suckers. I meet with my Neurologist this week and will ask him about your occipital nerve block treatment. I really don't want to go back on Prednisone, verapamil and depakote again. Thanks for sharing your story.
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