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Reply #25 - Nov 30th, 2012 at 12:46pm
 
44 days pf now and life is good. i pray everyone can achieve this and live pain free!! Smiley
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Reply #26 - Nov 30th, 2012 at 2:04pm
 
I think people's metabolism rates are all over the map when it comes to building up therapeutic levels of vitamin D. For those who report that it doesn't work, they either give up on it too soon or aren't taking enough to build up serum levels quick enough to see improvement.
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Reply #27 - Dec 1st, 2012 at 1:46pm
 
Yeah Brew your right...  People want a quick fix and have trouble when they don't get immediate results but i try to get across to folks to be patient and let the regimen work. I was just one of the lucky ones that did get quick results but many do go pain free in as little as 1 day and the average is actually 5 days.

I think if everyone's a bit more patient and will pay more attention to following Pete's guide lines a bit more cautiously and upping there dosage when not getting results within a couple of weeks so as to give it the necessary dosing and time to work that we will have many more pain free and happy folks......Johnny Smiley
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Reply #28 - Dec 2nd, 2012 at 9:55pm
 
Day 11 pf for me!! I still feel the shadow once in a while, but no ch. I am taking 10,000 vitamin D3 and 3000 fish oil with Omega-3. I just pray this is the beginning of the end and I hope to go back in remission!! This has been a ruff 6 weeks! I wonder if I increase my dose if I can put that shadow to rest. I was just worried about overdosing on vitamin's! Can it be harmful to take too much vitamin's??
Thanks so so much for letting us know about this 123 pain free cocktail  Cheesy. I pray this works on everyone!!  Kiss
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Reply #29 - Dec 2nd, 2012 at 10:36pm
 
Quote:
I was just worried about overdosing on vitamin's!

Another victim of the AMA propaganda machine. Do you know how much vitamin D you'd have to take to overdose? Here's a little perspective:

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Taking an entire bottle of aspirin or Tylenol will almost surely kill you, but taking an entire bottle of Vitamin D, in the vast majority of cases, will be more likely to actually IMPROVE your health than to damage it!


Get your serum level checked. Keep it between 60 and 110 ng/ml. You'll be fine.

Do you know why the mainstream medical community tries to scare people out of taking vitamins? Because there's no money to be made in improving people's health without pharmaceuticals.
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Reply #30 - Dec 3rd, 2012 at 5:15am
 
Thanks Brew for the information!! I will try to increase to see if I can put the shadow to bed!! I don't have the shadow all the time...it comes and goes!! I think the monster does that so I won't forget about him!! lol Angry
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Reply #31 - Dec 3rd, 2012 at 7:20am
 
It took me a full 8 weeks at 20,000 iu/day with a 50,000 iu loading dose once a week before I saw consistent relief.
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Reply #32 - Dec 3rd, 2012 at 11:19am
 
Steady as she goes Nancy!
Sounds like things are working great! Keep it up and the shadows should go away soon too! Love to hear that your not getting any CH's so best of luck and keep us posted......Johnny Wink
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Reply #33 - Dec 3rd, 2012 at 11:27am
 
Hey Nancy,

Thanks for the feedback. As Bill suggested, do see your doctor for the lab test for 25(OH)D.  Knowing your serum concentration of this vitamin D3 metabolite after you've gone pain free will be important for you in the future.

Please find the time to take the Anti-Inflammatory Regimen Survey when you've been on this regimen for at least a month.  It's the weight of empirical evidence from a survey like this that will make it a lot easier to gain greater awareness of the benefits of vitamin D3 therapy with respect to its safety and efficacy as a cluster headache preventative and to get funding for an RCT.

Staying on a maintenance dose of 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3 is also a great idea for a lot of reasons.  Aside from the many health benefits, the biggest reason for staying on this regimen is it should make your next cluster headache cycle a non-event...

In other words, if you stay on this regimen...  when the next cycle comes around...  you'll be singing "I hear you knocking, but you can't come in," to the beast.

My wife has been on this regimen taking 15,000 IU/day vitamin D3 for two years... 

She looks great, feels great, hasn't had a cold or migraine in two years, and has more energy than I've seen in 20 years...  She's also kicked the heck out of 74 turning 75 this month... 

Her doctor called a week after her last annual physical when her labs came back and said...  "I don't know what you're doing...  but what ever it is, keep doing it."  "Your labs look like they came from a women a third your age."  Go figure...

Take care and please keep us posted.

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Reply #34 - Dec 3rd, 2012 at 12:08pm
 
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Reply #35 - Dec 3rd, 2012 at 11:04pm
 
Johnny, I will keep you and everyone else posted...I think I have turned the page and I am at the end of this cycle!! Once I get this shadow to leave!! I like what Batch said!! I hear you knocking but you can't come in!! I took a short nap on Saturday and woke up because I felt a cluster coming, but once I got up the cluster left and never came out!! It felt so good knowing that was one ch I beat. Day 12 ch free!!  Grin
Batch...where is the Anti-Inflammatory Regimen Survey? I didn't know there was a survey!! I will definitely take the survey once I have made the 30 day mark with the vitamin's. Thanks for letting me know about it!!
I pray for pf days for everyone!!  Smiley
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Reply #36 - Dec 4th, 2012 at 12:07am
 
I've been taking D3 for over 7 months (I think) and so far, nada. I neither gave up on it nor shied away from taking a rather huge dose. My OHD levels came back as "normal". I am one of the few failures, thus far.

I continue to follow the thread, add things as suggested (such as low-dose aspirin), and still no love. I'm starting to get some jealous-type feelings toward the majority (?) who experience relief from vitamin D...  Sad

Brew wrote on Nov 30th, 2012 at 2:04pm:
I think people's metabolism rates are all over the map when it comes to building up therapeutic levels of vitamin D. For those who report that it doesn't work, they either give up on it too soon or aren't taking enough to build up serum levels quick enough to see improvement.

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Reply #37 - Dec 4th, 2012 at 1:46am
 
I too am jealous of those who've had nearly instant relief! I am experiencing relief, but it is a bit slow and fairly sporadic. I've been keeping decent track of everything and will post a detailed account of my experience when things level out and I have the time to compile it all. For the sake of yourself and everyone else's potential knowledge-gain, make sure you're keeping track of supplementing and your CH activity Smiley
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Reply #38 - Dec 4th, 2012 at 8:08am
 
ANC,

I'm inherently leery when a physician says your 25(OH)D levels are "normal."  The normal reference range for 25(OH)D is 30 to 100 ng/mL.  Too many physicians will say you're normal at a serum concentration of 31 ng/mL.  That's too low for any CH preventative effect.

What was your actual serum concentration?  If it wasn't up around 80 ng/mL...  it may be still too low to have a therapeutic effect on your CH.

Chris,

Thanks for the headzup you've started the anti-inflammatory regimen...  Have you seen your PCP for a lab test for 25(OH)D?  You're shooting in the dark with respect to an optimum vitamin D3 dosing schedule if you don't know your serum concentration of this vitamin D3 metabolite.

Take care and please keep us posted.

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Reply #39 - Dec 5th, 2012 at 6:47pm
 
Sorry Batch, I was sloppy in explaining. "Normal" was my terminology, not his. Test came back at exactly 95. And actually he said, in his usually conservative way, "I think that's actually a bit higher than it should be."
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Reply #40 - Dec 5th, 2012 at 7:59pm
 
ANC - I'd say with a serum level that high, your next trip should be to an endocrinologist.
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Reply #41 - Dec 6th, 2012 at 5:20am
 
Yes, that was Batch's suggestion also. I do already take testosterone injections, so it wouldn't be surprising if I had some endocrine issues in general. Seeing as I just made an appointment for the new neuro, the dental surgeon, and the eye doctor, it might be a few weeks until I can steal another half day off work.

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Reply #42 - Dec 9th, 2012 at 12:23am
 
Been taking the d3 for 3+ weeks no real change gonna continue for a little longer and ck with neuro before stopping.
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Reply #43 - Dec 9th, 2012 at 12:32am
 
Did you get your 25(OH)D serum level checked?
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Reply #44 - Dec 9th, 2012 at 1:17am
 
not yet been working 12-14 hrs a night and having 2-3 hits a day so trying to get enough rest is primary at this point as soon as Christmas rush over will get it done.
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Reply #45 - Dec 9th, 2012 at 1:20am
 
Where can I find clinical back up of the numbers that Batch uses as a minimum levels for Ch suffers?
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Reply #46 - Dec 9th, 2012 at 9:16am
 
There's all sorts of data in the following thread:

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You say you are a CDL driver - how can you be working 12-14 hours every night?

Get the test done. Find the time. Nobody here will be able to help you if you don't help yourself.
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Reply #47 - Dec 9th, 2012 at 10:20pm
 
The law only requires you have 10 hrs off and you can drive 11 there is dock work and other duties that can feel in the time. As I said it will be calming down soon and I will get this done asap.
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Reply #48 - Dec 10th, 2012 at 9:40am
 
Tim,

The only information on preventing cluster headaches with vitamin D3 comes from data collected right here at CH.com, a similar thread on ClusterBusters, and an online survey of the Anti-Inflammatory Regimen.

To date, the primary thread at Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register, has been viewed over 76,800 times with 1090 comments posted in the two years it's been running...  At least 20% of the comments mine.

Data from from the online survey of the Anti-Inflammatory Regimen with vitamin D3 is proving to be very useful.  That survey continues to collect data on efficacy, dosing, and lab results for 25(OH)D, calcium, and PTH (parathyroid hormone).  This survey also collects demographic and  epidemiological data.

It's not a gold standard RCT with A1 medical evidence.  That said, the weight of the empirical evidence and first hand testimony on the effectiveness of this regimen collected from well over 250 cluster headache sufferers posting here at CH.com and over 70 participants in the online survey is significant. 
 
So far, a preliminary compilation of the online survey results and tally of raw data collected here at CH.com are consistent.  They're also in strong agreement that the efficacy of using the anti-inflammatory regimen as a CH preventative is 76% for episodic and chronic cluster headache sufferers (CH'ers) combined. 

In addition, of the CH'ers who reported a favorable response to the anti-inflammatory regimen and who also had a lab test for 25(OH)D, the favorable responses occurred at 25(OH)D serum concentrations between 60 to 110 ng/mL.  These responses occurred in as little as the first 24 hours to as long as two months after starting this regimen.  Most CH'ers responded within the first two to three weeks.

What we're also starting to discover is why the other 24% of CH'ers who tried the anti-inflammatory regimen don't respond.  Comorbidities involving liver, kidney, thyroid and parathyroid insufficiencies lead the list of likely suspects that interfere with the capacity of the anti-inflammatory regimen to prevent CH. 

Viral infections and allergic reactions that challenge the body's immune system are also suspect, as are medical and dietary conditions that result in a lower than normal systemic pH.

There is information from formal studies on the pharmacokinetics and safety of vitamin D3 at the doses we're taking including the resulting 25(OH)D serum concentrations. 

These studies were conducted by doctors and professors, most of whom are endocrinologists.  The authors include names like Heaney, Veith, Hollis, Garland, French and Baggerly.  These are the Jedi Masters of vitamin D3 Therapy.

Many of the studies they conducted and published employed a meta-analysis approach comprised of statistical techniques for combining results of multiple studies to obtain a quantitative estimate of the effect of vitamin D3 on 25(OH)D serum levels and overall safety.

When you combine data gathered here at CH.com, the survey data, and information from the formal studies of vitamin D3 above, it provides a compelling story of hope for cluster headache sufferers all over the world that a strong correlation exists between cluster headache and a vitamin D3 deficiency.

Moreover, when the vitamin D3 deficiency is treated with a regimen of vitamin D3, Omega 3 Fish Oil, and vitamin D3 cofactors, cluster headache symptoms either disappear completely or are significantly reduced to provide a good quality of life. 

Again, this is not a gold standard RCT...  but it appears we now have a safe, inexpensive and effective alternative treatment to prevent cluster headaches, as opposed to taking the standards of care prescription medications... with all their side effects.

Finding time to go in for the 25(OH)D lab test is important for a couple reasons...  The first is I'm not a doctor and second, it's best to involve your PCP or neurologist, whoever knows your most recent overall medical history and prescribed medications best.

In my second career following 24 years in Naval Aviation, I worked as a technology consultant for defense clients for 14 years, living with episodic cluster headaches 6 years and then chronic cluster headaches during the last year.

I know what it's like working with cluster headaches.  I worked 12 to 14 hours a day with a 2-hour round trip driving commute 6 days a week and was determined not to let my cluster headaches impact my work...  I was successful until I turned chronic. 

At that point I started falling asleep in the middle of team meetings with my software and electrical engineers...  I would also go out to my car to suck on oxygen 2 to 3 times a day for 10 to 20 minutes at a time to abort the hits that came while working... 

After a year of that, I hung up my consulting spurs and retired...  My health was more important...

Take care and please keep us posted.

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Reply #49 - Dec 11th, 2012 at 7:54am
 
Thanks Batch I will take that info with me as my Neuro is one of the top in the area and is open to new therapies she will be interested in this I am sure thank you again.
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