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Nov 13th, 2012 at 1:45pm
 
First time on the site! Needless to say I feel for all the cluster suffers on this site! We're a lucky bunch of peeps huh! Lol. Anyhow a little about me... This is my fifth year suffering from chronic clusters Undecided. It's taken everything from me except my life. I was a Navy Seal on team 8 for several years before clusters became overwhelming and I was forced out on a medical! I had been shot twice, lucked out in a bad helo accident (which inflicted a severe head injury) and what did me in? Cluster headaches... These things turned my world upside down!!! Got my first cycle of these bastards while I was on deployment in afganistan, and let me tell you it sucks having these in the middle of the desert! After that I was placed on medical hold and within a year received a medical discharge. That was three years ago, since I've just been getting by cluster by cluster... Anyone else out there getting them every single day 24/7 365 days a year?! I've pretty much tried everything listed on this site... Currently finding the most relieve from imitrex injections 6mg and about 20 mgs of oxycodone a day ( i know pain meds aren't te best for clusters but they help me a lot ) a shit ton of water, sleep, and a healthy diet... I've read that most suffers get a break inbetween cycles, that would be amazing! If anyone has them daily ( normally 3 to 8 a day ) let me know if you know of anything that had helped you! Feel like I'm about to break, years of this shit is toooo long I need a cluster free vacation Smiley!
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Reply #1 - Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:40pm
 
Hello there. Your story goes to show that CH can bring down even the most physically fit people. Now we can say that cluster headaches are worse than being shot twice and getting a head injury from a parachuting accident. Tongue

Research suggests that many CH sufferers got their condition from a head injury so it may have been related to your HALO accident.

You've mentioned a number of meds, but have you tried oxygen? If you're not getting relief from your current regimen, keep trying different things. I read that Vitamin D helped a chronic sufferer become pain free so maybe that's worth researching.

Anyway, perhaps let the experts on this forum know what you've tried before so that they can give suggestions that you can talk to your neuro about.

Hang in there - relief is on its way. Smiley
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Reply #2 - Nov 13th, 2012 at 3:25pm
 
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Preventive meds can work, but it's in the way they are given, in the proper dosage and adjusted.  This can give the time off from chronic CHs.  Aborting each hit is essential, but with trex, may seem to add to the frequency over time. 

Managing with a better treatment regimen can get results and stop the hits.  Use of pure oxygen is a great abortive method when used correctly.  Check the yellow highlighted tab to the left on oxygen. 

Give us some info on what and how they've been used.  Maybe we can help in a direction to change things.
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Reply #3 - Nov 13th, 2012 at 4:31pm
 
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Check out this link on oxygen. It should be your first line abortive. I stop my attacks in about 6-8 minutes just by huffing on the oxygen.

Then visit  clusterbusters.com    our sister site which deals with alternative treatments to CH. Lots of successes going on over there. Glad you found us.

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Reply #5 - Nov 15th, 2012 at 1:23pm
 
Hey there, and welcome! First, let me thank you for your service. Second, may I say how sorry I am that CHs have taken so much away from you. Third, yup, several of us are chronic which means getting hit just as you describe. In fact, there's a bit of ongoing discussion on which of us, the chronics or the episodics, are more fortunate. Chronics because we know we're getting hit and when and are prepared for the full on frontal assault. Episodics because they get some R and R in between cycles. You are due for a cluster vacation, my friend, but when it will come? Please let us know what meds you have tried and in what doses. Many times docs prescribe the right stuff but at the wrong levels. And the great news is: O2 is effective and relatively cheap and safe. Look forward to hearing from you again. God bless. lance
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Reply #6 - Nov 15th, 2012 at 1:33pm
 
Hi im new here i have been a cluster headache from the age of 19 and now im a 28. Three years ago i got told from the doctor i have chronic headaches and im also asthmaic as well. I have tried topmax, steriods and methysergide. Howver i have been on topmax and methysergide for the past 11 months. I was free from cluster headaches for a month now they are starting to come back. I have just recently started a new job and my life has been hard as i have a bipolar bf on my hands and going through a rough patch with this. I am tired now as im getting more attack now i dont if this is due to stress with my private life. Any help would be good
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Reply #7 - Nov 19th, 2012 at 9:24am
 
Hi Sarah, and welcome. Sorry to hear you are suffering, and it seems there is a bit of depression reflected in your post. Perhaps not, but it would be quite natural and usual. You asked for some advice. Well, the early game advice we give is pretty much the same. You should exhaust the following list early on in your search for relief before trying something more exotic:

1. Find a good headache specialist-this is imperative. You don't say if you are seeing your GP, a general neuro, or a specialist. In the long run, you want the specialist.

2. Start a prednisone taper (starting around 80mg/day) You don't say you tried this but a bunch of us found good relief this way while waiting for a longer term preventative to kick in.

3. Start a preventative working up to a high enough dose to be effective in treating CHs, like 240mg/day verapamil increasing as directed up to 960mg/day. Other preventatives include Topamax, carbomazapine, oxycarbomazapine, and more. Pay attention to the doses-often we hear I tried that but the dose was too low to be effective.

4. Get an effective oxygen setup: a nonrebreather mask and a regulator that will go up to 25lpm along with a 3 liter bag. See optimask.

5. Get effective abortives, like imitrex injectables-pills are too slow-or Migranal nasal spray, it's an alternative to triptans. I use both.

6. Keep a log or journal of your attacks, and learn to use the KIP scale at left. This may help to identify some triggers for you. Some are fairly common to all of us, like alcohol, but even that isn't universal.

It's a long list, but it returns to you the power needed to manage the beast. Good luck and God bless. lance
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Reply #8 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 2:31am
 
Sorry it's been so long since I've posted, thanks for so many replys! I've been through several of the preventives with no luck, since my first post I kicked the pain killers those ended up being more harm than good! Still have been using the oxygen, but I'm pretty active so it's hard to use effectively although it does help! I'm currently on a medical leave from work (thankfully landed a great job due to my previous work in the military). They are very understanding of my condition and don't really question the amount of pain I'm in lol. Pharm wise I think I have hit the end of the road, none seem to help. I've been to Ton of docs, since my first post with no success. I started to see another neuro this month that wanted to put me on topiramate, and prednisone... To be honest I'm very hesident to try anymore meds. They never work and anymore I don't feel like myself bc of the smorgous board I've had rammed down my throat from previous docs. Advise on that would be great. So lately I ran into some old high school buddy's, which granted me access
to safe ummm how do you say magical mushrooms for cooking. So one weekend we all went on a trip somewhere, was really pumped after reading so many success story's using those... But of course no dice for me. Has anyone had success using such medication, and If so is there a certain trick to doing so? I'm getting really sick of these damn clusters! To answer some questions other users had for me, I live in Ohio... So I'm sure this crazy season isn't helping any poor soul suffering here! Warm one day, and snowing the next... No good!
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Reply #9 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 2:46am
 
lithium and verapamil worked pretty well for me.  i stopped taking them because i found a certain "alternative" that didnt put me in a constant brain fog, but the lith and verap combo did work pretty well nonetheless.
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Reply #10 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 8:08am
 
Navyseal, it's important to remember it isn't just the kind of medication we take, but its amount. So many say verapamil (for example) never worked for me, but their doc kept the Rx at a level too low to be effective with CHs, around 240mg/day. We need 460-960mg/day to be effective as a rule. The same is true of other preventative meds. O2 can be moderately effective at lower flow rates (8-15lpm) but many of us find our greatest relief at 25lpm or more. This is a tricky thing even for doctors who are knowledgable. The way to not lose your mind and your job is to "experiment" along with your doctor to find just the right combo in just the right doses. It is worth it to finally have a controlled monster in your head. blessings. lance
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Reply #11 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 9:38am
 
Magic Shrooms help many, but it's much more complicated then just chewing a gram, it requires a careful detox and dosing schedule, please visit our sister board at clusterbusters.com to learn how to properly bust with Vitamin "M".

Follow this link to the medications section of this board and read the post 

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It’s a vitamin/mineral/fish oil supplement, all over the counter stuff. It’s up to an 81% success rate of those who try it and respond to the survey so you’re just shooting yourself in the foot if you don’t give it a shot. I’m 3 years pain free on it after a 35 plus year track record with episodic CH. Best of all, it’s healthy for you even without CH!

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Reply #12 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 1:22pm
 
@ whimsy. I totally understand the prevent. And the high doses, I've been there and tried that... The last one I haven't is the topamax. To be honest I'd almost rather go through the pain than being on a high doses of that! I can't be in a fog all the time, and for some reason all preventives do that to me. Not to mention bring about horrible nightmares from previous events in my life. I've got the 02 and had it for quite sometime, it's hit or miss but can't carry a 30 pound tank with me to work, lol.  I won't loose my mind over these headaches, that's an impossibly for me... I'm really trying to find an alternative to the pharm approach.

@ joe ... Oh man I've realized that lol. To bad it wasnt that easy though huh. I've been doing parts of the treatment link you sent me. Vit D. 10,000 ui a day for quite sometime, along with magnesium 150mg x3 a day. That's helped I'm sure. Joe if you know the trick to using either of magic mush or the other starts with a L , lol pm me.... I'd really like that approach better than filling my body with high doses of prevents!
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Reply #13 - Apr 2nd, 2013 at 8:00am
 
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No, but you can carry an E tank which is what most of us do. Along with a couple of Mosters or Red Bulls. I get you may be resistant for whatever reasons to preventatives (although the Clusterbuster approach is a preventative) but don't give up hope of finding an approach that will work. Could you tell us a bit about how you use O2, and the equipment you have? That, too, can make a huge difference. Blessings. lance
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Go to the link below for info on proper use of the alternative treatments.

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Reply #15 - Apr 4th, 2013 at 11:23pm
 
Hey Navysealclusterhead,

Thank you for your service...  Have you had the lab test for your 25(OH)D serum concentration?  This is the metabolite of vitamin D3 used to measure it's status.  The normal reference range for 25(OH)D is 30 to 100 ng/mL and most physicians will say you're normal at 31 ng/mL...

Unfortunately, as a cluster headache sufferer, you need a target 25(OH)D serum concentration of 85 ng/mL.

If you've been taking vitamin D3 for some time as you say (how long in weeks/months since you started?) you should have elevated your 25(OH)D serum concentration ≥60 ng/mL.

If you haven't gone in for this lab test... do it now.  This isn't bum gouge.  Don't be a silly snake eater and blow this off.

You need to know what it is...  and if your 25(OH)D serum concentration still less than 60 ng/mL you'll need adjust your vitamin D3 intake upwards as appropriate.

80% of the CHe'rs (240 out of 300 at last count) who use the ant-inflammatory regimen with 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3 or more have experience a significant reduction in the frequency and severity of their CH...  Most of them had a pain free response.  The online survey of CH'ers taking this method of preventing CH indicate it equally effective for episodic and chronic CH'ers.

What we're also learning is there are usually reasons why the 20% of CH'ers who don't respond to this regimen.

If your 25(OH)D is up around 85 ng/mL and you're still getting hit... forget the neurologist and look up a good endocrinologist or Naturopathic/Integrative physician for a complete endocrine workup.

Take care,

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Reply #16 - Apr 10th, 2013 at 1:49pm
 
Thank you for your service! Remember, you are not alone in this battle. I am a newbie clusterhead myself. Currently on my second month of everyday hell and second week of being diagnosed. I am currently looking for some natural remedy as well. I Hate pills. Have seen them claim the lives of many I care for. The only one I am taking at the moment is Verapamil 180mg daily. Which so far does nothing.

Thank God for this website!! Redbull seems to help cut the duration down if the attack is not very severe in my case. Good luck to you. You along with anyone that suffers this horrible affliction are in my thoughts and prayers.
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Reply #17 - Apr 11th, 2013 at 4:05am
 
Jamz wrote on Apr 10th, 2013 at 1:49pm:
The only one I am taking at the moment is Verapamil 180mg daily. Which so far does nothing.


A dose of 180mg a day is a very low dose of verapamil. People often need 360-480mg a day and some go to over 1000mg a day to get relief.

I'd discuss with your doctor about increasing this dose, but do this with your doctor as they will know your medical history and what is appropriate for you.
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Reply #18 - Apr 11th, 2013 at 6:40am
 
Hi all,

I think we have to be chasing after alternate medication. I'm chronic (3 years of episodal and 18 months chronic) and presently very bad and like many others am tired. I think most of us feel like throwing in the towel at some point or another but let's remember that others have worse problems.

I'm on 960mg Verapamil, still get an average of 2 K8-9's a day so use O2 and Sumatriptan Injections to abort. Sometimes, if early enough, a double Espresso or a Red Bull will help abort within around 5 mins. When I'm fed up I just grab the injection.
I tried the complete D3 regime about a year ago with no luck - gave up after 6 weeks but am thinking of trying again. Doc tells me my 25(OH)D is in range - or at least was at the time.
Anyone have latest news on cocaine (high percentage Lidocaine) or the Acid trials ? Has anybody tried making their own liquid cocaine mixture ? I am vehemently against drugs but it has to be an option.
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