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Feel Hungover during day after headaches at night?
Jan 3rd, 2013 at 12:31pm
 
This current cycle of CH has been different than all my previous ones.  My headaches still come in the middle of the night, waking me up out of a dead sleep... pretty much the same as a lot of you on here.  I get up, go through my rituals and within an hour, on most occasions, am back in bed.  According to the clock, I am usually still getting 7 to 8 hours sleep, unless my job requires me to get up.  However, the whole next day I feel incredibly weak and hungover.  I feel a very weak but persistent version of my CH on the left side all day as well.  Trust me, there is no alcohol involved as I've learned my lesson the hard way there.  I am 34 years old and I work out fairly religiously.  My work and sleep schedule can be crazy as I am a professional Firefighter, but fatigue has never really been an issue for me until the onset of this latest cycle.  I can't get myself motivated to do anything as I feel nauseated and ....well, hungover.  I don't really eat sugar, I don't drink soda.  I usually drink nothing but water, 2 cups of coffee in the morning and maybe unsweet tea for lunch... so dehydration isn't an issue, I don't believe.  I also take a multi vitamin + 250mg Mag, 500mg Cal and 400iu D3 daily.  I have sumavel injections and imitrex nasal spray which I try my darndest not to use unless I feel completely hopeless.  Has anyone else experienced this along with your CH cycle?  If so, any ideas?  It's completely new to me.  Thanks in advance, you all.
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Reply #1 - Jan 3rd, 2013 at 3:20pm
 
Hi Sleepy. Man 7-8 hours. In the height of my cycles.....I can only wish to get that in a week. I understand that you have a physically demanding occupation. I get that "hungover" feeling throughout my entire cycle. Sometimes its not too bad, but somedays when I get to work in the morning, I must show up an hour early to give myself time to recover so I can drag myself out of the car.

As tough as it may be to swallow, I live with those very hangovers during my cycle. I know no other life when in my cycles. I am happy that you get that much sleep a night. I can only wish.
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Reply #2 - Jan 3rd, 2013 at 3:48pm
 
Yeah.  This cycle has been strange for me for sure.  I really wish you could sleep more and am amazed, I guess at the fact that I am getting more lately, but still feel horrible.  Like I said, this cycle has been so different than any of the other ones.  Maybe I'm just unconscious more, not really sleeping?  At the height of this one, about 3 weeks ago, I was getting two or three during sleep hours, but that only lasted for a week or so... and then I thought I was out of it... 4 or 5 days PF, only to get a whopper that sent me to the ER for the first time ever, coincidentally two days prior to having my first appt with a neurologist.  I know my headaches well, but this one was entirely different... still effecting the same side, but more like severe cramping and squeezing as opposed to stabbing and burning.  Anyway, after an examination by the neurologist, she determined that I am indeed a Clusterhead... (I've known this for years) but what I didn't know is that I also have very bad TMJ issues on the side of my headache.  She said that my facial muscles from my neck to my temple are literally in knots and that I have evidence of massive amounts of grinding on my left side.  I'm not sure whether this is cause or an effect of the headaches.  It's easy to ramble on here about this stuff as I know no one with this problem personally.  The hangover feeling is new to me but I guess it's something I need to be more prepared for in the future.  Again, I wish you got more sleep, Tim.  However, if it's the kind I have evidently been getting, I'm not sure how much good it would do, but any time without a headache is definitely better than time with one.
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Reply #3 - Jan 3rd, 2013 at 9:48pm
 
Hey Sleepy,
I know the feeling. I also have the hangover feeling after my attacks. My head feels foggy and it's hard for me to concentrate for hours afterward. I also have a bruised feeling,,, kinda like I've been hit in the right side of the head with a bat or kicked by a horse.
I started getting these CH's in August of 1997 and had them 3 to 4 times a week up until May of 2009. For the first 7 or 8 years no Doctor could figure out the cause of my pain. I even went to the M.I.N.D. Institute in Farmington Hills Michigan where they told me it was a hole in my Maxillary Sinus that was the problem. Turns out it wasn't the problem at all. I was finally diagnosed with CH"s by a young DR. in Mount Pleasant Michigan in 2007 or 8. I can't remember for sure. He gave me Imitrex pills for the onset, and put me on high amounts of Prednisone and it seemed to ease the pain and control the frequency of the attacks. Suddenly the headaches stopped abruptly in March of 09. They were gone until a month ago when they made a grand appearance again. So I found this site and am trying to find a fix before they make me loose my mind. As per Bob and Joe here at CH I'm taking 10,000 IU daily of D3 and 3000 mg of Omega 3 Fish oil daily and have not had another attack since I started a week ago. I'm also taking 1 3mg Metatonin before bed. So far, so good. Just a suggestion and I hope it works for you,,, and me. Good luck man.


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Reply #4 - Jan 3rd, 2013 at 10:30pm
 
It's times like that where I have a can of Red Bull or Coke to help me recover from the CH. It seems to work quite well.

For a Kip 9+ I'll always have one to help ward off the "hangover" type symptoms happening.
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Reply #5 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 1:08am
 
I get similar after higher level hits. Lasts 4 to 24 hrs depending on how bad the hit. I've leaned to keep most of the big ones away, by using what I've read here. I had to teach my Dr.

I think the best way to prevent the hangovers, is to prevent or quickly abort all CH attacks. O2 is my best tool for this. Not just any O2, the best I could get. Most Doctors don't have a clue about O2 for CH.

My CH started when I was 33, now 57. Now I still have CH but I'm ugly too.

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Reply #6 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 8:24am
 
I have long contended that a CH and its aftermath have seizure-like symptoms, particularly after a CH or as in my case, after a string of hits in a short period of time. This from Wikipedia:

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The postictal state is the altered state of consciousness that a person enters after experiencing a seizure. It usually lasts between 5 and 30 minutes, but sometimes longer in the case of larger or more severe seizures and is characterized by drowsiness, confusion, nausea, hypertension, headache or migraine and other disorienting symptoms. Additionally, emergence from this period is often accompanied by amnesia or other memory defects. It is during this period that the brain recovers from the trauma of the seizure.


Having watched my daughter for many years go through just about every seizure known, and observing her post-seizure behavior, I have come to the conclusion that something similar is going on here. I also note that antiepileptics are often used as preventatives and sometimes have success. Just a few thoughts to ponder on the matter. blessings. lance
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Reply #7 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 12:20pm
 
Thanks you guys for all of the comments!  I upped my dosage of D3 to 5000iu and began 2000mg of Fish Oil in conjunction with Mag.  Thanks Brydawg.  I'd read Batch's post a while ago and hope it works like everyone says it does.  I realize my dosages are smaller, but I'm not much on medication... if this doesn't work, I'll amp up the dosage.  I've had the thought that CH could be more in line with seizures as opposed to traditional headaches as well, Lance.   I find when I start a cycle, its really hard to remember much at all about previous ones... or just the previous headache from the day before, much like postictal phase of seizure patients.   I also find that post CH my mood is effected greatly.  I am generally a happy person, but post headache, I sometimes get heavy feelings of depression or sadness or something.  Not typical at all of me.  Im glad someone else has thought this too.  One other personal observation.... my pulse and BP are high since I've been in cycle.  Maybe they always are during the cycle, but this is the first one I've actually kept tabs.  Normally, I am high 50's/low 60's for pulse and avg range 130/80 for BP.  As of mid Dec to present day I'm ranging high 70's/low 80's pulse and a BP more in the range of 150/90.  These measurements are taken during headache free periods, usually mid morning and again before bed without much variance noted.  Would anyone consider this normal?  I'm wondering if the Mag-Cal could possibly raise my BP... or if high BP is a result/cause of the headaches... or anxiety waiting on the next one.. etc. ?  Thanks again for all of the replies and advice!  I wish I had more to offer.  Although I've had these off and on for 17ish years, it's only in the past few years that I've actually tried to be on the offensive and learn about them.  Thanks again!
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Reply #8 - Jan 10th, 2013 at 1:51pm
 
Hi, I so totally understand that hangover feeling!!

I dont suffer with cycles very often, just twice a year, and only for 2 weeks, but I have hangover head for the other 48 weeks a year. it is awful and everyday is a fight, I take co-codemol and naproxen to try and help with the pain, and just battle through, makes life and work a nightmare tho, I feel your pain but nice to know that we're not alone Smiley
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Reply #9 - Jan 10th, 2013 at 6:18pm
 
sugarplum wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 1:51pm:
I take co-codemol and naproxen to try and help with the pain


You need to be careful with using pain killers too often as anything more than 2-3 times a week is likely to give you medication rebound headaches. And since you're using co-codemol, these contain codeine, a narcotic, which will not help either.
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Reply #10 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 6:32pm
 
I posted this elsewhere on the board but I wanted to put it here on the thread I started asking for help as well.  I believe it's safe to say that I can be added to the pain free ranks.  As of Jan 3rd, I have been pain free and it is all thanks to Batch's anti inflammation regimen.  I have been taking 10000 iu Vitamin D3, 2000mg fish oil, 500mg/250mg Cal-Mag Citrate and a multi vitamin daily just after breakfast.  At night if I have felt a bit uneasy I have taken an extra 5000 iu Vitamin d3 just to be safe.  I have even been able to enjoy a few beers, which was a death sentence just weeks ago.  I know words like "cure" are not acceptable around here and I agree with that, but this is the best (and easiest) treatment so far that I have experienced in my 17 years of CH cycles.  I still get shadows around 6pm and 11pm, but there is no pain, just runny left nostril and eye with a bit of swelling and a twitch.  I can feel it trying to set up shop but it just can't get a foot hold.... so far.  Imitrex spray and injections still on stand by but so far, so good!  Amazing.  Thanks, Batch!
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Reply #11 - Jan 12th, 2013 at 8:49am
 
Its relieving to know that I am not the only one that goes through this. Its really a terrible feeling.

The question is how do you manage to keep working with the flare ups and hung over feeling? I had to leave my last job because the job did not help my headaches at all. And I've been good for the last two to three months until now.
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Reply #12 - Jan 12th, 2013 at 4:58pm
 
the CH hangover is awful. The right side of my face usually feels like someone is stepping on it and I can't think straight for hours. Lidocane helps the pain, but I can't ward off the other effects of mental sluggishness.

re: Codeine. That might be the nausea issue if you're having that.
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Reply #13 - Jan 16th, 2013 at 4:19pm
 
The "hangover" I get from a hit is felt more in the body than in the head.   
 
After an attack, my limbs are awash with a sense of warm numbness/fatigue.  It's a lot like the way I feel after I spend a day on the beach swimming in heavy surf.   I always figured it was because I involuntarily clench every muscle in my body during a hit and tap my feet at inhuman speeds.
 
Does anyone else experience this sort of a hangover effect?
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Reply #14 - Jan 20th, 2013 at 11:14pm
 
It seems to me this is a natural response.  I had a K8 this morning and I've had the hangover all day... shadows and my body feels like jello.  These things are exhausting, both physically and mentally; it makes sense to me to feel out of it.
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Reply #15 - Jan 24th, 2013 at 10:37am
 
I swear I can feel every follicle on the right side of my head and in the right side of my nose.  I am so tired, my body hurts, and I think it's worse than a hangover.  NO sleep + tons of pain = feeling like crap the next day.  JMO
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Reply #16 - Jan 24th, 2013 at 12:17pm
 
Welcome to the board Angie, I know that feeling all too well, when it hurts to brush your hair on that side! When you get a sec, tell us a little about yourself, what you have for a treatment program etc. Glad you're here.

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Reply #17 - Jan 24th, 2013 at 11:16pm
 
Thanks so much for the warm welcome.  I will post my info in the getting to know ya thread.
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Reply #18 - Feb 27th, 2013 at 8:47am
 
I am convinced that CH has somthing to do with hormones, etc. which will send me into depression.  I know anyone might be depressed when they arent getting enough sleep and they are dealing with severe pain, but its more than that,  its a depression all over .  This may be due to a vitamin D deficiency, which throws everything off.  But I know my body, and I know my head,  and I am sure you all feel the same about yourselves,  there is more going on here.   Usually if I deal with CH for more than a six month period, I dont feel so depressed about it anymore,  its almost as if you can feel yourself coming back from the dead or something.  Thats how chronics deal with it and manage to live  their lives.
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Reply #19 - Mar 27th, 2013 at 8:33pm
 
Mike NZ wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 6:18pm:
sugarplum wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 1:51pm:
I take co-codemol and naproxen to try and help with the pain


You need to be careful with using pain killers too often as anything more than 2-3 times a week is likely to give you medication rebound headaches. And since you're using co-codemol, these contain codeine, a narcotic, which will not help either.


I know. I'm told this alot!

I live in a small town in the UK, it took 5 years to even see a neurologist, after referral i waited 5 months for an appointment as the guy serves 2 hospitals!! the GPs here just don't know what CH is, it was a NURSE who referred me to neurology!!  Once he diagnosed me I was sent back to my GP
With a letter to say prescribe triptans. I was advised to take these only when I feel unable to cope as i can only take 1 a day, this was after he looked through pages of his drug advise book and to manage shadows as best I could. That is the only help I've been given. They'll basically give me a job lot of pain killers when i run out and am pushed out the door. I get very frustrated as I know this isn't right, but what can I do??

Sorry for the rant, it's obviously not personal or aimed at you but the NHS is not all its cracked up to be and I'm basically learning from forums and fighting for everything. Very frustrated to say the least!!
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Reply #20 - Mar 28th, 2013 at 1:55am
 
sugarplum wrote on Mar 27th, 2013 at 8:33pm:
I know. I'm told this alot!

I live in a small town in the UK, it took 5 years to even see a neurologist, after referral i waited 5 months for an appointment as the guy serves 2 hospitals!! the GPs here just don't know what CH is, it was a NURSE who referred me to neurology!!  Once he diagnosed me I was sent back to my GP
With a letter to say prescribe triptans. I was advised to take these only when I feel unable to cope as i can only take 1 a day, this was after he looked through pages of his drug advise book and to manage shadows as best I could. That is the only help I've been given. They'll basically give me a job lot of pain killers when i run out and am pushed out the door. I get very frustrated as I know this isn't right, but what can I do??

Sorry for the rant, it's obviously not personal or aimed at you but the NHS is not all its cracked up to be and I'm basically learning from forums and fighting for everything. Very frustrated to say the least!!


Totally understand about the NHS after having lived in the UK for a long time. It can be pretty good in places and in other places it can leave a lot to desire.

Have you got in touch with other UK people via OUCH UK? Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

They too have forums and a helpline so they can help you navigate the NHS to get better treatment.

And do rant away. You've got a forum full of people who go through or have experienced similar things.
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Reply #21 - Mar 28th, 2013 at 7:36am
 
oh yes U.K here too.. treatment is truly truly awful!!
tried for a private neuro yesterday... £200 for 40 minuets!!
yeah right so have to wait see how long an nhs one takes i spose
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Reply #22 - Apr 7th, 2013 at 9:15pm
 
I always described my after like symptoms as "flu like."
To me it always includes achy muscles, similar to being ill or having something like mono. I definitely do not exhaust myself during an attack but afterwords feel like I just ran a marathon.
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Reply #23 - May 6th, 2013 at 6:51am
 
The headache you experience the next day is the result of dehydration. Alcohol makes the kidneys release extra fluid. It is highly recommended to drink enough water before and after consuming alcohol to cure hangover.
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Reply #24 - May 6th, 2013 at 7:39am
 
sid8 wrote on May 6th, 2013 at 6:51am:
The headache you experience the next day is the result of dehydration. Alcohol makes the kidneys release extra fluid. It is highly recommended to drink enough water before and after consuming alcohol to cure hangover.

In case you hadn't noticed, nobody here is talking about an actual hangover.
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