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Mar 24th, 2013 at 4:23pm
 
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I have been having headaches every night since about the second week of November. The most was 4 in one night. I have been to several Drs  on several medicines and CT scan done. Two months ago I went to a pain management Dr who said it might be Cluster headaches and Started me on Neurontin and had a nerve block. The nerve block gave me relief for maybe 5 days. I still had symptoms like burning and nasal congestion still woke up just no pain. The next visit I saw someone different in the office and she said she thought it was something else. Gave me a prescription for Physical therapy for my neck. I am finally going to a neurologist tomorrow. My pain is always on the right side. I wake up like clock work at 2am. I have burning from my nose to my temple. Pain all around my eye feels like a ice pic being pushed thru my eye. My neck hurts and I feel like my head is going to explode. I pace around crying get in a hot bath bang my head on the floor and pray for god to take my pain away. I just act like a crazy person during a bad episode. My longest episode has been about 2 hrs. The last week I have had 5 nights of nothing then this morning I woke up with the burning and pain and then it just went away after about 15 min which is how this all started in November. I was kinda hoping I was heading into remission. Any advice on how to handle my appointment tomorrow with neurologist. Could I be going into remission or starting again. I am very confused. Also looking back at medical records I am pretty sure this started in 2011 where I was diagnosed with Cluster Migraines. I take 300mg Neurontin twice daily and Fioricet as needed( which does not help at all). I had a allergic reaction to Maxalt so Fioricet is all I got. :'(
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Reply #1 - Mar 24th, 2013 at 11:25pm
 
Wow! Sounds like it may be CH. At the neuro, talk about a preventative med, something you take daily while on cycle to reduce attacks, and an abortive therapy, what you do when an attack starts.

Oxygen should be your first line abortive. Breathing pure 02 will abort an attack for me in less then 10 minutes, that’s completely pain free. Read this link as it must be used correctly or it will not work

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Imitrex nasal spray and injectables are very effective abortives. I use the injectables, they’re expensive, and I rarely use them, mostly just when I get caught away from the oxygen. The pill form generally works too slow to be effective for CH’ers.

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It’s a vitamin/mineral/fish oil supplement, all over the counter stuff. It’s up to an 81% success rate of those who try it and respond to the survey so you’re just shooting yourself in the foot if you don’t give it a shot. I’m 3 years pain free on it after a 30 plus year track record with episodic CH. Best of all, it’s healthy for you even without CH!

As of January 20, 2013, the compiled raw data indicates an efficacy of 80%. 240 out of the 300 CH'ers who have started this regimen and stayed on it for a month or more have experienced a significant reduction in the frequency and severity of their CH... 78% of the 300 CH'ers experienced a pain free response and 60% of the 300 have remained essentially pain free. Episodic and chronic CH'ers respond to this regimen at roughly the same rate.

Preliminary survey results indicate most of these CH'ers were pain free before the end of the third week with some responding in a little as 12 to 24 hours. The average time to respond is five days


Yol\u can see from the data so far, it's a no brainer to give this a shot. I'm pain free the last 3 years after over 35 years of episodic CH. I'm a true believer in the D-3.

Let us know how the appointment with the neuro goes.

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Reply #2 - Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:18am
 
Don't start treating yourself with the various ideas you will find here. Until you get a good diagnosis, playing around will only delay the work-up which is essential to this complex problem.

Re. Neurologist: Sadly, most of them lack basic training in headache. Suggest you start by asking, directly, about his training and experience. If he lacks the skills you need, ask for him for a headache specialist. (Too often, folks run thru seveal docs over years before finding the skill they need.)
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

2.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

3. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; On-line screen to find a physician.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.
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If you end up with a diagnosis of Cluster, start some basic learning. We have learned that knowledge helps us cope and manage this interesting disorder.
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Cluster headache.
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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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  Full of articles, blogs, book: written by one of the best headache docs in the Chicago area.
  Worth exploring. The latest book is in e-book edition, $10; comprehensive and worth buying for
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Keep us informed about your visit and outcome so that we can focus our suggestions more sharply to you needs.


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Reply #3 - Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:20am
 
Neither the fioricet nor the neurontin has been terribly effective in dealing with CHs. They tend to be migraine specific rather than cluster specific. I'm not saying they can't help; I'm saying they generally do not. Be clear with your neuro about what you are feeling and what effect the current meds do or do not have. Let us know how you make out. God bless. lance
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Reply #4 - Mar 26th, 2013 at 6:01pm
 
Thanks for the advice and replies. My Neuro appt. went really good yesterday. The Dr listen to me and seem to know about Cluster Headaches. I am having a EEG, MRI+MRA done to rule out other problems but that it sounded like CH to him. I now have Oxygen, Prednisone, Verapamil,and Stadol NS. I am still trying to wrap my head around all this and I am a roller coaster of emotions. I have suffered from Migraines all my life but the pain from CH is so much worse.
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Reply #5 - Mar 26th, 2013 at 6:19pm
 
Please consider starting the vitamin regimen I mentioned in my first post. It's helping over 80% of those who try it, it's had me pain free for 3 years. Sounds like your neuro is up to speed on CH. Please give me his info as I'd like to add him to our user recommended page. Wink

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Reply #6 - Mar 26th, 2013 at 6:42pm
 
I will try the vitamins because I have been reading about all the success people are having. My Dr was Richard Eisenberg  Aiken SC. How do you know when your cycle might be ending?
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Reply #7 - Mar 26th, 2013 at 7:55pm
 
For me when I went 2 weeks without a hit I would start to slowly wean off my prevent and see if I got hit. Sadly there's not always a rhyme or reason to how the cycles start and stop. Some slowly fade out, some have a God-awful 4th of July couple of hits then they stop. Experience helps but even that's not a guarantee.

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Reply #8 - Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:48pm
 
OK thanks Joe. I just have not had my regular nightly visits except for a small episode 2 mornings ago. I guess it is just a waiting game. I do not want to get to excited but the last couple of nights of sleep have been wonderful.
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Reply #9 - Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:15pm
 
I hear you, a good nights sleep can seem like a miracle in cycle, wishing you a whole lot more.

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