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May 19th, 2013 at 10:27am
 
Hi all

I am a 29 year old (only for a couple more weeks)
female
i have had cluster headaches for a while now and have only just been diagnosed properly. currently I am on research over drive! I have signed up and posted on pretty much every forum going and have been trying to find out as much as I can.

I am sure that you have all had a similar experience where you were just looking in the wrong places. I assumed I was suffering from migraines and due to the runny/blocked nose symptom I was convinced i had sinus issues. A few years ago I was put on Beta Blockers, which worked for the headaches. However, last year I was getting headaches come through and the cluster lasted longer than usual. This year beta blockers did nothing at all and headaches are more frequent.

The main thing that got the diagnosis was that I asked the doctor why i was getting 'hay fever' in the middle of the night and why in the past I used to be able to set my watch by these headaches and why they were so painful. Heat is a trigger for me but other than that the attacks are pretty random. I explained all of the other symptoms and he printed out some info and it was exactly what I was experiencing.

Now I am on a little mission to find out as much as I can in order to take control of this
beast.


I have a follow up appointment in a few weeks and will hopefully get a referral to a neurologist. 

I am sure you will see me posting as much as possible as, despite it being terrible that so many people are suffering from this problem, it's good to know that I am not alone  Cool
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Re: Trying to do as much research as possible...
Reply #1 - May 19th, 2013 at 11:04am
 
If you believe you'll be hanging out here for a time:

Please tell us where you live. Follow the next line to a message which explains why knowing your location and your medical history will help us to help you.

                       CLUSTER HEADACHE HELP AND SUPPORT › GETTING TO KNOW YA › NEWBIES, HELP US...HELP YOU
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Formal studies (and our collective experience) indicate that geneal neurologists have poor/limited training about headache. We urge, if at all possible, finding a headache specialist.
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

2.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

3. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; On-line screen to find a physician.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.
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Understand that no matter how many web sites you explore, like this one, you: 1. are dealing with folks who are unknown to you ref. our educational background in medicine, the accuracy/worth of our comments/advice; 2. no such group is an adequate substitute for a well trained and experienced doc., 3. our passions about this-or-that treatment are not a measure of truth/validity. Again, need for a well grounded doc. Take our suggestions but get a good doc to be aware and in agreement.
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We can give you leads to good MEDICAL information if you ask specific questions and you mihgt start looking over some medical sites.
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PDF file, below.
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Three sites which are worth your attention: medical literature, films, plus the expected information
about CH.

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  Full of articles, blogs, book: written by one of the best headache docs in the Chicago area.
  Worth exploring. The latest book is in e-book edition, $10; comprehensive and worth buying for
  a careful read.
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Cluster headache.
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[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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Re: Trying to do as much research as possible...
Reply #2 - May 19th, 2013 at 11:42am
 
Welcome to the board Atama. Another one of you women faking CH, everyone knows only men get CH! Grin (So, how many times did you have to hear THAT before you got an accurate diagnosis?) Hang out here for any period of time and you'll see we have more then our fair share of women. Bob has given you the critical primers on CH. I'll just add 2:

Follow this link to the medications section of this board and read the post 

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It’s a vitamin/mineral/fish oil supplement, all over the counter stuff. It’s up to an 81% success rate of those who try it and respond to the survey so you’re just shooting yourself in the foot if you don’t give it a shot. I’m 3 years pain free on it after a 35 plus year track record with episodic CH. Best of all, it’s healthy for you even without CH!

As of January 20, 2013, the compiled raw data indicates an efficacy of 80%. 240 out of the 300 CH'ers who have started this regimen and stayed on it for a month or more have experienced a significant reduction in the frequency and severity of their CH... 78% of the 300 CH'ers experienced a pain free response and 60% of the 300 have remained essentially pain free. Episodic and chronic CH'ers respond to this regimen at roughly the same rate.

Preliminary survey results indicate most of these CH'ers were pain free before the end of the third week with some responding in a little as 12 to 24 hours. The average time to respond is five days


Oxygen should be your first line abortive. Breathing pure 02 will abort an attack for me in less then 10 minutes, that’s completely pain free. Read this link as it must be used correctly or it will not work

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Welcome to the best source of CH info on the planet.

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"Somebody had to say it" is usually a piss poor excuse to be mean.
 
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Reply #3 - May 19th, 2013 at 12:36pm
 
Hey! if it wasn't for women getting cluster headaches you wouldn't have been able to legitimately say that they were worse than childbirth!  Tongue I will have to get back to you on that one as i am yet to experience that one! I didn't hear it from any doctors, but i did notice it on the info sheet my GP printed out for me...also found many sufferers are/were smokers and I have never smoked...I must be rare  Undecided

Thank you for your help and support.

i have changed the settings on my profile to show i am in the UK - more specifically Northamptonshire.  Smiley
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Reply #4 - May 19th, 2013 at 2:47pm
 
that's important as there is an other group you need to touch base with,

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This website will help you navigate your medical system to get what you need, oxygen etc.  I too am a non smoker, never have, don't now, at the first few conventions I went to I was starting to believe I didn't have CH since I was the ONLY one not smoking! The result of a recent survey of over 1100 CH'ers:

Smoking History (Table 3).—In regard to
current or prior tobacco exposure (cigarette
smoking or chewing tobacco), 73% had a positive
history.


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Reply #5 - May 19th, 2013 at 6:03pm
 
Glad that you identified UK because it changes my suggestion, obviously.

OUCHUK can advise how to by-pass your local doctors and move directly to a headache clinic. I understand you have a right to this move.

Based on multiple comments from the UK, such a move is important because local docs are notably lacking in training & skill treating headache.
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Reply #6 - May 19th, 2013 at 7:30pm
 
Hi Joe,
I have read quite a few articals in the past on smoking and CH.
They all say, smoking is not a trigger in CH,it just make's the
kip level higher when in a cycle. It make's it hard who to believe
in these survey's.
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Reply #7 - May 19th, 2013 at 9:31pm
 
Oh Hoppy, as I'm sure you know, surveys are like any other statistic!!! So many interpretations! Cheesy

This was one of the biggest surveys ever done on many, many aspects of CH, here's a link if you're interested in that sort of stuff. The survey didn't attempt to determine tobacco's role in CH, strictly how many do and how many don't.

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Reply #8 - May 19th, 2013 at 11:08pm
 
Hi Joe,
Thanks for that link. After reading that, i must be one of the odd
ones out. My eyes are green and my attacks were always at the
same time, in the morning then in the afternoon, with the odd
one waking me during the night,and are always on the right.
They are certainly right on alcohol. Beer and red wine are two
of the main culprits in triggering CH episodes.
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Reply #9 - May 20th, 2013 at 1:02pm
 
Thanks guys!
I signed up to OUCH straight away. Lots of help and support on there. Smiley

I was just wondering, how have cluster headaches affected your work? I have taken 2 days of one each week last week and will probably be off tomorrow as well Sad I am getting stressed about it!
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