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CeruleanBlue
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Jun 17th, 2013 at 3:47pm
 
I first developed these nasty things in 1999. I was in my early 40's. They came on gradually and became fairly persistent over the next several years. Saw a couple different neurologists and tried several drug treatments for prevention, but nothing was successful long-term as the CH always won in the end. Immitrex stat injections helped abort the attacks, but wasn't a good solution, IMO -- too expensive and side effects that rag me out.

I quit smoking in 2005, since that was a trigger, and the attacks gradually subsided. By mid to late 2006, I was in full remission ... no shadows, no attacks, so attributed my success to having quit smoking.

I've been attack-free since then, that is up until this spring (2013), but now they're back seven years later with the spring. Now getting several a week, middle of night and during the work-day. I have a stock of old and new sumatriptan, but I use it only as last resort when I'm in considerable pain. I haven't gotten into neurologist yet, and am trying acupuncture in the meantime. I don't know if there's anything a neurologist can offer as their drugs are hit and miss with tons side effects and expense, and the attacks have always still bled through them eventually.

Doesn't look like much has changed on the treatment front since 2005. Open to exploring other non-conventional treatments, which is why I'm trying some acupuncture. If I want to try mushrooms out since many report success, how do I move forward on this?
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Reply #1 - Jun 17th, 2013 at 4:01pm
 
I am new to CH myself, but I'm glad I found this board.  There are lots of things to try - O2, a vitamin D3 regiment - I'll let the veterans of the board point you in the right direction on those as I feel I am too new.  But welcome - This board is a place of hope and understanding - find comfort in that and keep your faith.  We all know what you are going through and will try to answer your questions and allow you to vent if you need to.  Take care!
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Reply #2 - Jun 17th, 2013 at 4:30pm
 
G'day, and welcome, sorry to hear the Beast returned. The D3
is the go now it has been getting good results in treating
CH's, just type it in on this board, "Vitamin D3 Regime"
If you want to go down the mushroom road, check out
ClusterBusters on the left of this board all the info you
need is there.

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Reply #3 - Jun 17th, 2013 at 5:07pm
 
Yes, thank you. The one D3 thread is 57 pages -- a bit long to absorb in a single sitting.  What's the condensed recommendation?

I see 10,000 IU of D3. Possibly add 2000 mg Fish Oi.

Should I consult my personal care MD before loading up on D3?
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Reply #4 - Jun 17th, 2013 at 5:16pm
 
Hi CB and Welcome

  Please read my post on TeeJ2379's thread for a history of my travels with the beast . . . will be on page 2.

  After ten years chronic, have now been 18 months without an attack using the D3 regimen (See Batch's post "123 days Pf and I think I know why.. . . currently over 110,000 views)

  RE the accupuncture.  General consensus is that it's probably useless.   However, in 04', prior to major surgery, I saw a practitioner in Chattanooga (Dr. Yeu Pei Wong) for about three months.  Although I always had my backpack with a "B" tank of 02 at hand, never had an attack on the table and the attacks I did have were minor and easily killed with 02.  Dr Wong (doctorate was in philosophy) was a  third generation accupunturist, herbalist (huge apothecary) and martial artist/instructor.   Since he was also furnishing me with several varied herbal remedies, it's quite possible one of them might well have been a kudzu suplement which the Chinese have used for migrains for centuries and there was much posted about it a few years back . . . . many reported complete remission.    I believe Clusterbusters may have info on that also.

  So . . .  can't say that the reduction in frequency/intensity during that time was due to the accupuncture or herbs or combination of the two, but I was in much better overall health for the experience.

  Dr Wong was well known in the Chattanooga area and is sorely missed by many.  He passed away a couple of years ago.

    Be Safe,    PFDANs

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Reply #5 - Jun 17th, 2013 at 6:50pm
 
Forgot to mention, have you tried Melatonin, it has a good
record for getting you through the night without those wake up
calls. You can get it OTC together with the other vitamins.

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Reply #6 - Jun 18th, 2013 at 10:06am
 
Ref. your reply #3:

This statement appears on the home page of this site. While it's legal boilerplate, that doesns't mean it's not valid/true.

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Reply #7 - Jun 18th, 2013 at 4:17pm
 
That, " Disclaimer " is at the bottom of this page. Smiley
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Reply #8 - Jun 19th, 2013 at 7:57am
 
CeruleanBlue wrote on Jun 17th, 2013 at 3:47pm:
I haven't gotten into neurologist yet, and am trying acupuncture in the meantime. I don't know if there's anything a neurologist can offer as their drugs are hit and miss with tons side effects and expense, and the attacks have always still bled through them eventually.

And there you have the nature of the Beast; it doesn't go away forever. But, that doesn't mean it can't be managed. I would encourage you to do the following:

1. Read as much of the D3 post as you can, beginning at the beginning and skipping around.

2. See a headache specialist.

3. Realize there is a tradeoff to everything; if you prefer the pain to the meds, there you have it.

4. Investigate the proper way to administer O2 for CHs: equipment, flow rate, technique...it's a life saver.

5. Check out all the "side" things: energy drinks, melatonin, supplemental vitamins etc.

6. Go to clusterbusters and check out their techniques and see if that's right for you.

Be proactive. Your open ended question is self-defeating by itself. Lots of new ways to understand the beast, and a few new ways to beat it back. Good luck and God bless.
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Reply #9 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 1:26pm
 
Well, I'm really getting killed by these things now. Gone from a few week to a few every day. I started the D3 regimen six days ago, and honestly, I might be doing worse. I wasn't getting them every day, multiple times a day before I started it. Think maybe I need to quit and see if the daily hits stop.

Doesn't look like I'm getting into to any neurologist for help anytime soon. Pain clinics and such are all booked up for two months. I had my personal care physician set me up with 240 mg verapamil since I've used it in the past, and now thinking I need to go prednisone as well?
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Reply #10 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 2:16pm
 
Hi CeruleanBlue,

What is the exact regiment you are taking?  The full regiment is posted here:

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I've been on it for a month and it has reduced my hits and their intesisty, to the point now where I don't have bad hits, just shadows.  I'm on verapamil as well - be sure you space your verapamil dose by 8-12 hours to when you take the calcium in the regiment. as they can interact or contract eachother.  I was on a two week taper of predisone (80mg over 14 days tapering down to nothing) as well to get some relief which is what it sounds like you need so you can give the verapamil and d3 to build up in your system.  Predisone will hamper the D3 a little bit, but I think it still helped me by taking it at the same time. Also look at Melatonin for night time, i take 15 mgs a night, but you should started on 5-10 to see how it affects you.  It may help avoid the night time hits.  During the day, try some energy drinks if you can.  Monster Java is one of my favorites and it helps with my shadows greatly.

Again, we are not docs but just fellow sufferers sharing our experiences.

As far as seeing a neurologist - be persistent - I had the same deal where all the appointments were booked for two months - I called every day checking for cancellations.  By calling every day I got lucky and got in within 2 weeks.  You are your best advocate, and you are the one most motivated by your pain.  Call daily, call multiple offices every day checking for cancellations. The worse they can say is no.

Good luck my friend and keep us posted on your progress.
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Reply #11 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 3:54pm
 
I'm pretty much on that same D3 regimen. I think I had better stop.
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Reply #12 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 8:02pm
 
Don't give up on the D3 Regime. I started on it during my Spring
2012 cycle, like you it did'nt abort my attacks, in fact for the
first time in 43yrs of sufferering from CH's they were all over
the place. But the good news is, no CH's this Fall 2013. Smiley

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Reply #13 - Jun 24th, 2013 at 2:07am
 
Hi CB,    I looked back through your posts and maybe I missed it but I didn't see a mention of Oxygen.   
If you're getting hit hard repeatedly and in pain then you need to get on that oxygen tank pronto. It's the one, almost surefire abort method out there and it works in minutes. When I'm in cycle I'm never more than 2 minutes away from a tank whether at  work or home  or anywhere else.

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Reply #14 - Jun 24th, 2013 at 3:59pm
 
I've never had an O2 setup. Don't have a prescription for it, or doctor to prescribe it -- unless I get my personal doctor on board. Bottom line is that one may take some time to setup.

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Reply #15 - Jun 24th, 2013 at 4:05pm
 
Some people on the forums use welding oxygen very effectively. Perhaps that is an option worth exploring?
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Reply #16 - Jun 25th, 2013 at 3:01am
 
CB,   From what I've learned ( might not be the gospel truth) welding and medical ox come from the same tank but the medical tanks and process are cleaner.  Same pure oxygen though. If you want relief like right now, go buy an oxygen tank and regulator at a local welding supply store. I can't guarantee you it's 100% safe but I've been using both types for years now and I'm still kicking. I'm paying for my own medical oxygen also, I found out the medical ox people were sticking it to the insurance co. when I changed coverage and my new policy didn't cover it. But they give the self payer a break--- it's not that expensive to get your tanks refilled but you need a script to get started.
     My 92cf welding tank lasts quite awhile and costs 21.00 to get refilled.

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Reply #17 - Jul 17th, 2013 at 11:57am
 
It's been weeks and I haven't been able to see a CH specialist yet. My scheduled appointment is still 2+ months away. In the meantime, I've at least gotten verapamil prescriptions. Started at 240 mg ... worked for few days then failed. Increased to 480 ... worked for another few days then failed. Now taking 720 mg and still keeping attacks and even shadows away, 11 days and counting.

My problem now is bad constipation. I'm taking stool softeners, Miralax, other laxative-inducing foods with slow progress. Any advice in this regard?
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Reply #18 - Jul 17th, 2013 at 3:41pm
 
CeruleanBlue wrote on Jul 17th, 2013 at 11:57am:
It's been weeks and I haven't been able to see a CH specialist yet. My scheduled appointment is still 2+ months away.


Ring up often and ask for cancellations or last minute availability. You might just get lucky.

However it always amazes me that a neurologist who should know the pain that untreated CH gives does not prioritize CH or suspected CH patients. A few do, but most don't.

As for verapamil, I'm convinced that they include concrete dust in the recipe for making it. The constipation seems to get better over time plus it helps to take plenty of fluids and to eat a good, healthy diet.
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Reply #19 - Jul 25th, 2013 at 10:52am
 
Well, I'm PF for three weeks now with 720 mg verapamil per day. Also been getting weekly acupuncture treatment to go along with it.

Constipation finally unblocked with full bottle in-take of magnesium citrate. Feeling more "regular" now since.

Still waiting on specialist visit. I have one neuro appt in a couple weeks. I know next to nothing about the doctor other than he/she listing headache care among their expertise. I've will have waited two months for this one.

I have another appt., still two months away, with a local Headache Institute with a doctor I had seen before at another pain clinic years ago. Will have waited three months totals on this one, though it's probably better for managed headache care than the other neuro clinic.

Since I'm managing these things, mostly on my own for the present, I'm torn as to which neuro appt to keep, or spend the money and keep both(?).




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Reply #20 - Jul 25th, 2013 at 5:14pm
 
Hi CB,
If i were you i would check in with the first one and if i'm
happy with the advice given, then cancel the second
appointment.

Good Luck, Hoppy.
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Reply #21 - Aug 26th, 2013 at 5:28pm
 
Well, I kept that first neuro appointment I was skeptical about. I waited two months and had treated myself in the interim. The Dr. spent all ten minutes with me, offered absolutely nothing I didn't already know, or treatment I wasn't already giving myself. He only seemed to be hung up on whether I was chronic or episodic, and I'm too frightened of these things to confirm by going off Verapamil.

Today I learned his bill was .... $520, which I have to pay out-of-pocket. Oh well, I probably won't be going back there.

Still have another appointment with the familiar neuro that's four weeks away, but doing okay in the interim. Two months without an attack.

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Reply #22 - Aug 27th, 2013 at 12:10am
 
Blue,

A slight increase in the frequency of CH has been reported by around 20% of CH'ers starting this regimen...  The frequency usually drops by the second to third week.

I'd also forget your neurologist for now and see your PCP for the lab test for 25(OH)D.  This is the serum level metabolite of vitamin D3 used to measure its status.

The normal reference range for this lab test is 30 to 100 ng/mL...  You're likely still deficient, i.e., less than 30 ng/mL.

You can also order a 25(OH)D lab test online from ZRT labs through the Vitamin D Council at the following link for $65 and no Rx required:

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In the mean time... how much vitamin D3 are you taking...  A 50,000 IU loading dose once a week on top of a daily vitamin D3 intake of 20,000 IU/day is very safe and effective for many.

Discuss this with your PCP if you can get in to see him or her...

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