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Jun 26th, 2013 at 11:26am
 
First time poster long time reader. Name is Dave 53 live in Indianapolis firstch@23 went chronic@34 had heart surgery 5 years ago and never had a single hit not even a shadow after until last month. The beast returned problem is all the past remedies are not working. I have not slept thru the night in a month except for the night that I started the d3 Charlie I love you I know it was probably coincidence. But now I'm on my 3rd round of stopper 100mg pred day 3  100mg topamax 300mg gab and and I'm hanging around a 3 most of the day. Neuro says next step is the depakote trip but I'm trying to avoid been there soooo many times don't

do it very well.  Trying to stay positive be patient but I had a tast of the good life the pf life and I liked it so now I sit here typing bawling like a baby. Tomorrow prevents are scheduled to double neuro has already voiced concern about zombiefying me and has told my wife things to watch for and when she would need to call him or discontinue. Yeah I know those really are not that high of doses but Im a little guy 135 soakingwet (fully clothed lol)
That's about it for now feelin a little better I guess nice to say all this know that someone out there REALLY  knows the pain  Thanks
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Reply #1 - Jun 26th, 2013 at 3:48pm
 
Has your Nero suggested Verapamil yet instead of Topamax?  its the most recommended prevent out there..

Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   


Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.
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Topamax did nothing for me and some nasty side affects. Are you using O2 at all?  Read the O2 link the the left.  Predisone will interfere with the D3 so you may see better results once the taper is finished.  Do energy drinks help at all to get rid of the you kip 3's during the day?  Have you tried Melatonin to help with the nighttime hits? Try 5-10 mg at first and see how you sleep.  More help is coming , so hang in there.  Glad you posted, and I hope you have some PF nights soon!
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Reply #2 - Jun 26th, 2013 at 4:04pm
 
Bp runs106-111 /62-64. Tried verap befor my surgury  but couldn't get up to a good dosage without bottoming out bp. Still had to shoot up trex 4-5  times a week
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Reply #3 - Jun 26th, 2013 at 4:14pm
 
My neuro agrees verap is the best choice just not my choice unfortunately  andyes I added mel to the d3. Nighttimes have been better last two nites fingers crossed
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Reply #4 - Jun 26th, 2013 at 4:49pm
 
Sounds good - What really helped me was making sure the magnesium supplement I had was Citrate.  Most that you found are MG Oxide which is not as affective. Praying you have some more good nights and get some rest.  Take care.
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