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Jul 21st, 2013 at 3:14am
 
This is my first post... first off want to say how great it is to continue learning about my CHs and that is thanks to all of you. I will try to sum up as quickly as i can.  I am 37 yrs old, CHs for about 18 yrs, every late spring/early summer, although when much younger they were earlier in the year.  about every 4th yr it seems, i manage to skip them. currently 6.5 weeks into cycle now, 1st 6 wks normal, with 3-6 attacks a day, predominently waking from sleep. introduced to Oxygen as abortive (what a blessing) about 4 years ago.  years before that tried many migraine drugs including botox injects, never landed on anything better than the oxygen works by itself now, with ice, and the use of sumatriptan injects when i need it.  this is my first year at trying a new recipe, which i actually started two days ago, and just found the info/threads on this antiinflamitory/"Batch's" deal. It began after i noticed in my notes, that the only 2 nights this cycle that i got more than two hours of sleep without waking 2 or 3 times with an attack, were the 2 separate nights after i drank this "Natural CALM" drink that was sampled to me at work, and only because my close co-workers know i live with shoulder and neck pain, actually had nothing to do with the CH thing (the pain is same side as my CHs and always intensify during a cycle, begins behind left shoulder blade and up to base of skull, moves from there as attacks hit). I eagerly went to work, the next day after realizing this, and bought a few more packets...that was thursday. I went headache free that whole day and evening just using ice on my neck, then they picked up again late that night. so Friday it was suggested to me by someone else at work to begin to take D3 because he knew that i had been calling in sick and leaving early many times the past 6 weeks, he knew i was not feeling well, he had no idea about my headaches. I noticed that my attacks became more frequent on friday (yesterday), but was able to abort much sooner with oxygen, and the severity was cut in half, although the droopy eye and sinuses also got worse before the attacks. so... i came home and began to read up on the D3 and the drink, which is Ionic Magnesium Citrate.  After finding all the posts on these topics, I also went and bought the omega 3 and feverfew (which supports blood vessel tone).  My attacks have doubled in fequency, have dropped in intesity from pain levels of 6-9, down to 2-5, and have been able to abort them much quicker with oxygen and ice, from lasting 30 min-2 hrs, down to 5-15 minutes.  I have had a pretty bad 'regular' headache for a change, i believe due to dehydration from the new stuff and bit of diarrhea. i began yesterday, per day: 12000 iu D3 , 800 mg Ionic magnesium citrate (Natural CALM drink), 760 mg Feverfew, 2000 mg Omega3 FishOil. started yesterday with 1200 mg of the magnesium drink and dropped it to 800 today. This is the first time using anything ASIDE from migraine medicine in the past and/or just using oxygen, ice , & sumatriptan. I have yet to talk to my doctor about this, and begin having some tests done.  At this point, 6.5 weeks into my cycle, if the attacks stop, I willnot know if the cycle was just ending, or if this new recipe has ended them...but i do know that it has changed what has been the norm for my cycle. I began this post to ask if anyone has used this Natural CALM drink as their magnesium supplement??, and add that it was "ionic" magnesium citrate. Thank you for reading!! I did searches for 'ionic magnesium citrate' and for 'Natural CALM' before beginning this post and found nothing.
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Reply #1 - Jul 21st, 2013 at 6:15am
 
Hi Deazle,
Just read your thread. On the Magnesium you only need to take,
500mg /day the extra your taking could be causing your
diarrhea.With the fish oil you only need 1000 /day.

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Reply #2 - Jul 21st, 2013 at 12:18pm
 
Thank you Hoppy! I just got up from an entire night without an attack! woke every few hours to replace ice rags on neck and side of face, had droopy eye and stuffy all night, but no pain! I am on day 3 of my new supplement intake.  I am hopeful. Feel I may get one soon, but felt that way all day yesterday as well and nothing over a 2 hit, havent even used oxygen in 24 hours! I am in tears writing this Smiley
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Reply #3 - Jul 21st, 2013 at 1:50pm
 
Hey Deazle,

Thanks for the headzup you started the anti-inflammatory regimen and welcome to CH.com.  Your pain free response last night makes it clear you've made two very good choices.

Hoppy's correct, too much magnesium citrate can cause osmotic diarrhea.  Too much feverfew can do the same.  When you get the opportunity, switch to magnesium malate or magnesium glycinate.  Both have a high bioavailability and fewer reported problems with diarrhea.  400 mg/day magnesium of any type is more than sufficient.  I'd use 200 mg/day until things firm up...

As you'll want to stay on this regimen full time to get all the other health benefits, I'd cut the feverfew...  Long term usage can cause problems.

My wife has been on this regimen since Dec 2010 except she takes 15,000 IU/day vitamin D3 and loves it.  She doesn't have CH but she was a chronic migraineur for over 20 years.  She hasn't had a single migraine or cold since she started this regimen.  She has more energy than I've seen in many years.  She also kicked the heck out of 75 last Christmas...  Go figure.

Do try to see your PCP or neurologist for the 25(OH)D lab test. Even though you've already started vitamin D3 therapy and it appears you're having a favorable response with a pain free night's sleep, it's still a good idea to have this lab test done so you'll know your actual serum concentration of 25(OH)D.

Take care and please keep us posted.

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Reply #4 - Jul 22nd, 2013 at 3:33am
 
well...more to say since waking this morning. First off, thank you for the replies...and Batch, and anyone else who's contributed to this regiment, I cannot say thank you enough for getting the info out there for us! now...after a fantastic night lastnight, I decided to take a nap before going to work this afternoon. I have always woken up with at least a level 5 if i ever go back to sleep after waking up for the day, so I wanted to see what would happen.  I slept for about an hr and a half, woke up with all signs of attack, except pain level was only at about a 2, eye almost shut, very red, sinus completely blocked. I used ice and no improvement. i needed to go almost 7 hrs without an attack this evening, so i took 50 mg sumatriptan pill form, but before that even had a chance to work, i also had a starbucks doubleshot, and about 5 minutes later, completely gone. I ended up taking another 50 mg sumatriptan in the evening as i was working on a houseboat without access to oxygen, but i know i didnt need it. this concludes day 3 for me of an amazing improvement on my CH's, i know without a doubt that the new regiment has GREATLY decreased the intensity of my attacks, but still all the same signs that go along with them are present. The 1st day of new regiment, I had many attacks, but pain level down and aborted much quicker than ever before. As for the last two days, its been almost 40 hours straight now, with only two little bumps that kept at bay with minimal attention. Now begins day 4. Until I see my PCP, I am continuing daily with 11000 iu D3, 1000 mg Omega3, and 500 mg magnesium citrate.  (since i dropped from 1200 to 800 on the magnesium, Ive had no issues with diarrhea or feeling dehydrated, but I then dropped to 500 quickly after Hoppy's post. I will drop back to 200/300 if any signs of that again).
Here we go day 4! so exciting!
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Reply #5 - Jul 22nd, 2013 at 3:21pm
 
middle of day 4... Attack started about 10 minutes ago. Strangest sensation ...hard to explain, I can tell by the extreme burning at base of skull, and sharpness into neck, and my sinuses, and my eye, and overall pressure in head that this would normally be pretty high on pain scale, except the pain seems to be cut off or muffled in a way that makes it more than bearable. I know for sure that my cycle is still strong right now, and that the progress here has nothing to do with the cycle ending, and everything to do with what im adding to my body now
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Reply #6 - Jul 22nd, 2013 at 3:30pm
 
just killed that one with ice only, and a touch of caffeine...took almost 20 min or so...haven't used oxygen in over 50 hrs!! this is crazy to me right now.
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Reply #7 - Jul 22nd, 2013 at 5:22pm
 
G'day Deazle,
No your not going crazy you are just having a battle royal
with the Smiley. I found ice was my best line of
defence in my last cycle. Keep fighting brother your getting
the better of him now.

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Reply #8 - Jul 23rd, 2013 at 12:02am
 
Hello Deazle, You're experiencing identical symptoms to me when I went on D3 therapy. I reached a similar conclusion also, that D3 hasn't cause my cycle to end even a little bit, but somehow suppresses  the pain. I still have the mild symptoms that are consistent with my clusters but none of the pain so I know my episode isn't over yet. I can even drink alcohol as long as I don't over do it. Had a nice hit the other night after tipping one too many after 4 weeks of total pain free life. Been PF since.
  Keep it up, you're almost there.
      
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Reply #9 - Jul 25th, 2013 at 2:48pm
 
Day 7... Attacks still happening, 3-4 times daily, such a low level of pain!! Sleeping mostly only waking up to deal with the sinus problems associated that occur if it tries during the night.
Still have not had to use oxygen, not even close. Lots of ice Smiley
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Reply #10 - Jul 26th, 2013 at 10:05am
 
Day 8... more pain than Ive had since started D3 regiment.  lastnight was difficult to get rid of one attack for almost 2 hrs before I took Sumatript pill, and woke several times in the night unable to breath through sinuses. woke for the morning at 6:15 am with about a 3 on pain scale, got to work, now at 7am its trying to get worse, but staying where it is for now.  trying some caffeine. no oxygen yet.  still worlds away from what was before, and i am so grateful to be dealing with pain at this level.
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Reply #11 - Jul 26th, 2013 at 4:59pm
 
G'day Deazle,
Hit the Smiley with 20,000iu vitamin D daily and
one loading of 50,000iu once a week. That should knock
it on the head.

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Reply #12 - Jul 26th, 2013 at 8:34pm
 
I will do that, thank you! Just got thru about 4th attack of the day, since morning...used bit o'oxygen today. Tired of Eyes and brain feel like hooked up to burning car battery,
but i was able to make it through work with the attacks...thats amazing.
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Reply #13 - Jul 28th, 2013 at 1:43pm
 
upped the D3...doing well. thi sis about the time, or a bit past, when my cycle should be ending, about 8 weeks in now...still going stong during day.  able to sleep through night only waking once or twice cuz of sinus issues associated. most prevelant hits are in the morning if i wake up, and try to stay in bed, bad idea. pain levels back down staying below a 3 Smiley
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Reply #14 - Jul 30th, 2013 at 3:09pm
 
Day 12... Up until this morning, I was at about 37 hours without any signs of an attack....amazing. Back at it when I woke today.  I am going to let this post die out, and I will research all of what's already here for continuing the path I am on. I want to say a few things: Thank you for sharing, everyone, ive made more progress this year than all the years combined, hands down, not even comparable. Also, I know things could be So much worse for me, i feel blessed to be cyclical, and not chronic at this point....my heart goes out to all who deal with this, and to the chronics, i am welled up with tears of compassion. I hope to be more active on this site, but trust that i will be taking in as much info as i can and helping if possible.
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Reply #15 - Jul 30th, 2013 at 5:09pm
 
Hey Deazle,

Don't give up on the anti-inflammatory regimen just yet.  You've only been on it a week and it sounds like you're at the tipping point of going pain free.

If you've switched to the accelerated vitamin D3 Dosing schedule of 20,000 IU/day plus the 50,000 IU loading dose once a week, and you're this close... I'd take another loading dose today.

You might also want to bump your Omega-3 Fish Oil back up to 2000 mg/day, drop the feverfew if you're still taking it, and pick up a multi-vitamin with vitamin K2 and vitamin A (retinol).

The real question now is have you had your 25(OH)D tested?

Take care and please keep us posted.

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Reply #16 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 1:05am
 
deazle,
             you are mirroring exactly what happened to me on the regime ! whilst I had a bad dose of the flu and took 5 weeks to get to the green zone, everthing your experiencing I experienced as well.
don't stop.
my cycle started 9 weeks ago, and I still feel it, I have 2 or three shadows a week, some have lasted all day, but we forget easily what it was like.  sometimes I just get real hot like I did when I was having kip 10 attacks, so I know my cycle is still there. whether by chance or because of the regime, this is the longest cycle ive ever had.
last nite shadows went on all nite, woke me up at 2.00 am so I swallowed a red bull and went back to bed, it was still there in the morning, but went soon after.
deazle, getting the test done is imperative, as soon as I got to 194 nmol I reduced down to 10,000iu per day, im getting another test in a month to see if that is enough to maintain the level.  im still having weird things happen, but, I haven't taken an imagran in 3 weeks and I know its because of the regime.   so hang in there, get a test done and join the ride !!!!!
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Reply #17 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 4:18am
 
Oh...positively! I have every intention on getting my 25(OH)D tested...and absolutely not one thought of quitting this regiment. I was only saying I was going to let the thread die out, because I have read so many posts about others' having the same experience through this, I figured i'd jump in on a larger thread regarding this if I had any new reports or questions. my experience with other forums is that those who have similar threads kind of merge into one, and/or, in this case, I just post more about myself on a larger thread of the same subject....? Im new here and VERY excited, and trying to learn as much as I can. It is so interesting to me the things I am experiencing. Maybe I could never tell because the pain always followed all of the  initial signs...but now to go through the day with these things, and a fraction of the pain, to be thinking "WOW, i feel SO much better than i should", and have people saying "holy crap whats wrong with you? are you okay?" as soon as I look up or they catch my eyes. its quite crazy to me. alot lately, I look into a mirror to judge how bad the attack WOULD be if I wasnt on this regiment.  i go in and out of these symptoms almost every hour somedays, and others it lasts all night or several hours during the day...is that what you mean by "shadows" (distant deep drone of the pain, with exaggerated burning in the eye, almost unable to open it, the blocked sinus, sharp breakthroughs in pain periodically, and the need for ice constantly) ?? Ive also noticed that today was the first time since starting the regiment that my adrenaline began to release during an attack . (and i'll mention...Seems that no matter how the day goes, I get hit almost EVERY time i leave work and get into the sun, i feel my insides going crazy, cooking,  immediately, same in the morning if its sunny out when i leave the house, and usually minutes after killing the one that hit after waking up) sorry for the rambling...thanks for your replies...I know i really need to get tests done to make this work long term.
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Reply #18 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 2:03am
 
hi deazle,
              that's good news your sticking with it.
im getting shadows every 3 or 4 days, they start at 4.oo in the afternoon and can hang round till the morning, even wake me up in the middle of the nite.  a dull type headache, which I do get the ache behind the eye and runny nose symptom, but ive not needed an imagran, just a red bull.   ive been on the regime for about 8 or 9 weeks and have gone into the green zone so I know im right with my d3 levels.
its interesting hearing how your going deazle, as you too are not far off,time wise where I am on the regime, so It is with interest that I read how your travelling.....
good luck and I hope you get more progress...
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Reply #19 - Aug 3rd, 2013 at 6:24pm
 
day 16.  4-5 shadows a day, and waking twice during the night with 'em, have had 2 or 3 nights without waking.
Shadows, if thats what they are, are VERY strong, and Ive taken sumatriptan now 4 days in a row, I'm not as concerned with "saving it til I need it" now because I have been able to function through things, so I'm now taking the sumatrip if I need a break from the shadows for a few hours, but like today, took it at 11am, and it only lasted until 2:30pm. not taking more than 50mg a day. I am anxious to get bloodwork done and will begin Calcium tonight...shouldve started w that much sooner.  had a Rockstar lastnight (high in Taurine) and it kicked a very strong shadow very quickly. That was awesome. I feel so blessed to be at this point...this is now one of the longest cycles Ive ever had, no real signs of it letting up, pain levels still very tolerable. I will mention that on wednesday, I got hit harder than ever since this regiment.  I felt like I was going insane, adrenaline, sweats, felt like my blood was boiling, only lasted about 30 minutes killed w oxygen. strange for me to experience that without the pain of the cluster taking over.
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Reply #20 - Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:03pm
 
hi deazle,
                yep, I think you'll find the calcium is an important part of the regime, re absorbtion....
   try and get calcium citrate
the test is real important too, lets you know what your levels are so you can make any suitable decisions. im getting my third test in a month or so.
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Reply #21 - Aug 4th, 2013 at 10:06pm
 
Hi there, I too am an episodic sufferer for 21 yrs now.  I finally found what I call my miracle drug...well actually vitamin...I take 3 per night approx. 2 hours before my usual "witching hour".  My attacks started end of June, suffered two nights, mum and dad suggested these vitamins and I haven't experienced another attack ever since.. Apparently the enzymes are the reason  I'm trying to get this vitamin across to as many people possible.  If it worked for me, surely it can for others..Infla-Heal Plus from New roots herbal....I have no affiliation with the company however owe my life to them!!!!  It's wonderful to have my life back
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Reply #22 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 3:26am
 
Tammy wrote,

Infla-Heal Plus from New roots herbal.

Not convinced. Questioning this product would help in CHs
by itself. Exclaim.

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Reply #23 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 7:47am
 
Hi Hoppy,  the vitamins took my clusters away completely.  I spoke to a chemist and he is convinced that the enzymes play a major role in all this.  I felt the need to share this knowing the hell sufferers go through.  There is nothing to lose at this point.  I am currently cluster free and I want to share this with everyone.  I'm not saying that this will work for everyone however if one person out of many are cured as I am, then that's one less sufferer.
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Reply #24 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 6:18pm
 
Tammy wrote,

It's wonderful to have my life back.

Hi Tammy,
After 43yrs suffering from CHs in the spring and fall my last
episode being spring 2012 hopefully i have my life back
owing it all to the vitamin D3 regime. I had no CHs this
past fall here down under, i'm on vacation in Europe at
present and it's approaching there fall so i have my fingers
crossed.So i'm baffled how Infla Heal Plus being an
anti-inflammatory, as fish oil, krill oil, glucosamine, can
work without other cofactors.The enzymes in this vitamin
have no mention of pain relief in headaches. So i'm hoping
it keeps working for you, and it's just not a fluke. 

Good Luck, Hoppy.

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