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Aug 25th, 2013 at 9:40am
 
I am new to this site, but unfortunately not new to the agony of CH's. I am 42yrs old and my episodic CH's began when I was 19. I had them every year religiously and sometimes twice a year for 30-60 days at a whop until 2009. Then they went into remission until 24 June of this year. Now they have come back with a vengeance, 9-10's back to back four to five a day for the past two weeks, so I'm sure(keeping my fingers crossed) this cycle is peaking. I didn't want to believe they were back so I hesitated going to the doctor right a way. Of course that wasn't a good idea. I am only seeing my primary care doctor who is "trying" to treat these from her own research. She currently has me taking Propranolol(BETA Blocker) has anyone taken this and did it help them? I know everyone is different, but I really dislike the idea of having to take medication everyday for something that is not chronic. I'm also on Fioricet for the pain, which usually works if I take it early enough and it shortens the attack to about an hour. I am going to begin Zomig(Zolmitriptan) nasal spray on Monday. I have tried numerous other meds including Imitrex which didn't seem to do anything for me.  I do like the idea of oxygen, just not sure if she will go for it. Any other suggestions would be great.
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Reply #1 - Aug 25th, 2013 at 11:40am
 
Hi Scott. Propranolol may work for some, but there are better choices avaliable: Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

I have used varapamil over many years as a preventative with good results.

Also tried prednisolone a couple of cycles, but can't take it due to bad side effects (pain like every bone in my body broken all at once).

When you tried Imitrex, was it tablets, nasal spray or injections? The tablets never worked for me, and the nasal spraty worked a little better. I found the injections much better, aborting an attack within about 2-3 minutes.

Definitely talk with the doctor about oxygen. It works very well, though I have had trouble getting it sometimes, depending on the doctor (see my thread here "Just Venting"). Here is a link to a published medical journal article regarding oxygen treatment for clusters you should print and give to your doctor Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register
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Reply #2 - Aug 25th, 2013 at 2:01pm
 
It will help us to direct you to good sources of assistance if you will tell us where you live (city & state, if U.S. or country). At the Home page: Help button-->Edit & Profile --> Location.
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Suggest you approach this development by forgetting the past; too many changes in meds to learn abaout now.

IF you have the option, find a headache specialist. You GP reflects the too common experience of docs who lack training/experrience in an area which rapid developments require advanced training.
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LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

2.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

3. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; On-line screen to find a physician.

4. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

5. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.
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Print the PDF file, below; copies for you and your doc. These are the currently most often used meds. Any good dog should be working from these meds.

The usual approach is: steroid which kills attacks within hours; starting a long acting preventive at the same time. They reduce/prevent attacks but take a few days to become effective, hence, the steriod; then a fast acting abortive for attacks which do sneak thru. You'll see this grouping in the PDF article.
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Some reading to get you up to date.


Cluster headache.
From: Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register (Orphanet Journal of Rare Diseases)
[Easy to read; one of the better overview articles I've seen. Suggest printing the full length article--link, line above--if you are serious about keeping a good medical library on the subject.]

Leroux E, Ducros A.

ABSTRACT: Cluster headache (CH) is a primary headache disease characterized by recurrent short-lasting attacks (15 to 180 minutes) of excruciating unilateral periorbital pain accompanied by ipsilateral autonomic signs (lacrimation, nasal congestion, ptosis, miosis, lid edema, redness of the eye). It affects young adults, predominantly males. Prevalence is estimated at 0.5-1.0/1,000. CH has a circannual and circadian periodicity, attacks being clustered (hence the name) in bouts that can occur during specific months of the year. ALCOHOL IS THE ONLY DIETARY TRIGGER OF CH, STRONG ODORS (MAINLY SOLVENTS AND CIGARETTE SMOKE) AND NAPPING MAY ALSO TRIGGER CH ATTACKS. During bouts, attacks may happen at precise hours, especially during the night. During the attacks, patients tend to be restless. CH may be episodic or chronic, depending on the presence of remission periods. CH IS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIGEMINOVASCULAR ACTIVATION AND NEUROENDOCRINE AND VEGETATIVE DISTURBANCES, HOWEVER, THE PRECISE CAUSATIVE MECHANISMS REMAIN UNKNOWN. Involvement of the hypothalamus (a structure regulating endocrine function and sleep-wake rhythms) has been confirmed, explaining, at least in part, the cyclic aspects of CH. The disease is familial in about 10% of cases. Genetic factors play a role in CH susceptibility, and a causative role has been suggested for the hypocretin receptor gene. Diagnosis is clinical. Differential diagnoses include other primary headache diseases such as migraine, paroxysmal hemicrania and SUNCT syndrome. At present, there is no curative treatment. There are efficient treatments to shorten the painful attacks (acute treatments) and to reduce the number of daily attacks (prophylactic treatments). Acute treatment is based on subcutaneous administration of sumatriptan and high-flow oxygen. Verapamil, lithium, methysergide, prednisone, greater occipital nerve blocks and topiramate may be used for prophylaxis. In refractory cases, deep-brain stimulation of the hypothalamus and greater occipital nerve stimulators have been tried in experimental settings.THE DISEASE COURSE OVER A LIFETIME IS UNPREDICTABLE. Some patients have only one period of attacks, while in others the disease evolves from episodic to chronic form.

PMID: 18651939 [PubMed]
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Three sites which are worth your attention: medical literature, films, plus the expected information
about CH.

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Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register Search under "cluster headache"
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Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register
  Full of articles, blogs, book: written by one of the best headache docs in the Chicago area.
  Worth exploring. The latest book is in e-book edition, $10; comprehensive and worth buying for
  a careful read.
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Would also urge you to not start treating youself via the various suggestions you will receive/read here AT THE SAME TIME your doc is Rx other treatments. The effect is confusion; you can't know which treatment is/isn't helping.

Urge you to find a skilled doc first; get a clear diagnosis; and only then start a collaborative conversation with the doc about what treatments you would like to try.





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Reply #3 - Aug 26th, 2013 at 4:02am
 
Hi and welcome

Propanolol whilst it works pretty good for migraines, it isn't too effective for CH. Something like verapamil or lithium will work a lot better in preventing many of your CHs.

Similarly for when a CH arrives, painkillers, including Fioricet aren't a great option. Even the strongest opiates hardly touch the pain of a CH and they take too long to take effect. Some options that work a lot better include oxygen and imitrex injections (not the tablets).

Whilst it sounds like your doctor is working hard to help you, they are doing so from a limited understanding of CH. Have you considered working with a headache specialist who has experience of CH and effective treatments for it?
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