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caryn
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Sep 26th, 2013 at 7:03pm
 
I was diagnosed with cluster headaches about 3 years ago now, and became chronic about a year ago. Since becoming chronic all of my medications have entirely stopped working. The best thing I have now is imitrex which is taking 40 minutes to an hour to work if at all and is causing severe side effects, such as heart issues, and severe vomiting which is exacerbating my already problematic ulcers. So I've begun looking into all the different types of surgeries and was hoping for advice on here. I understand all the surgeries are very risky. But am I right in that it seems like the gamma knife surgery seems to have the fewest risks in general? It seems like the main risk is the facial numbness and droopiness. I know the other way they cut the trigeminal nerve risks blindness though, does the gamma ray not risk that, or is there just less of a chance of it happening? I'm also aware that the surgery isn't a permanent thing, but as far as I could tell from the research I could get it still seems like the best option just because it has so many fewer risks than all of the other options.
And does anyone know a doctor who does these surgeries anywhere near Milwaukee, WI? And by near, I actually don't even care how close at this point for the most part. Chicago, Madison, or even if you know anyone in ohio or something. I'd be willing to drive a day or two. I'd like to sit down and talk to an actual doctor about my options, too. I just haven't had much luck in finding one.

Also, yes, I've been on oxygen. It worked absolutely great until I became chronic and now it hasn't done a thing since. I've also tried mushrooms but I have mental health issues and that's an even more dangerous option for me than the surgeries. I've also tried the water method listed on this website, and the vitamin regimen, and basically any otc methods of relief I could find along with the plethora of prescriptions I've been given over the past years.

So, if you have any current advice or opinions on any of the surgery methods you'd like to give, or maybe some type of treatment that isn't commonly listed here you think maybe I could've overlooked, I'd be happy to here it.
Thank you for all of your help.
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Re: gamma knife surgery
Reply #1 - Sep 26th, 2013 at 7:16pm
 
Need to ask what your O2 set-up is. Many find that when O2 stops working, it can be fixed with higher flow 25lpm with an efficient mask like the one sold here at the CH.com store (O2ptimask now called Cluster O2 Kit). Many chronics have found this to be true, and a demand valve system is optimum (but expensive).
As for the mushrooms, I am not going to debate that since you say you have other mental issues. But the RC seeds are definately non-halucinatory at treatment doses... most people's effects are just getting a good nights sleep. The drawback is you need to detox from all other meds for 5 days... nearly impossible without oxygen working for you.

Edit: Look into the success rates for the surgeries, and ask those here how it has worked for them.
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Reply #2 - Sep 26th, 2013 at 7:36pm
 
I started at 15lpm which worked fine. When I became chronic my doctor tried putting me up to 25lpm and there was no change, so now I'm back to just trying the 15lpm whenever I attempt oxygen again. I have a non-rebreather mask, too. I considered getting the demand valve, but i thought at this point that woudn't make the difference between whether the oxygen was having any effect or not considering that it went from entirely getting rid of every headache to me not noticing it even slightly ever.

And I did try the RC seeds as well. They didn't do a thing for me at all.
Thanks.
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Reply #3 - Sep 26th, 2013 at 7:46pm
 
Surgery should be the very last option. Are you taking Imitrex pills? The self injections are best and the inhaler is 2nd best. The pills don't work well.

If you haven't already, read the O2 link below for CH, note the picture of the proper mask.

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Reply #4 - Sep 26th, 2013 at 8:35pm
 
I'm on the imitrex self injections. And yeah, I've got the proper O2 mask and everything. I was a huge hassle to my doctor when I first got my oxygen and made sure I got everything exactly as it said on this site.

So far, I've tried verapamil, topomax, and prednisone for preventatives.
For abortives I've tried imitrex in pills, injections, and nasal spray. Zomig nasal spray, maxalt, fioricet, prodrin, energy drinks with and without taurine, water, oxygen, lidocaine, cafergot, and a number of pain killers, mushrooms, rc seeds, vitamins, and melatonin.
I think there are a few more I'm forgetting, but I know I've tried most everything I could find on this site, other than a couple of the preventatives I know I've skipped.
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Reply #5 - Sep 26th, 2013 at 8:36pm
 
caryn wrote on Sep 26th, 2013 at 7:03pm:
imitrex which is taking 40 minutes to an hour to work if at all .


That's kind of strange. Are we talking about imitrex SHOTS or peals?

In my experience, and to my knowledge, a shot of Imitrex should take effect after 5-10 minutes. 40 minute to an hour sounds like it's not working at all or you use it the wrong way. Anyhow, you have several other triptans. Rizatriptan (Maxalt, Relert) in the form of soluble wafers also works well.

About O2 - it s so rare that O2 doesn't work that it's tempting to say a) you're using it wrong or b) you got the wrong diagnosis.

Having said that, I do strongly recommend the combination of O2 and coffee / energy drinks / hot pads or cold pads/ice packs (some people benefit from heat and some from cold). Energy drinks, to be specific, are surprisingly effective in early stages of the attack. As long as you remember to CHUG it.

Another poorly discussed option is cannabis. Unfortunately, smoking the wrong king will make thing worst, so you'll have to find an expert to strains to help you find the best strain available - I believe it should be CBD reach, but I'm not really sure. Anyhow, if you're lucky you might find it VERY helpful. I did a few times in the past.

Worth a try: sphenopalatin gangelion stimulation.

An operation is a very bad choice. Sometimes, even after a successful procedure, the headaches might return and be more viscous. It's well documented.

If you insist, at least start with relatively less harmful procedures like sphenopalatin gangelion injection and occipital nerve injection.
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Reply #6 - Sep 26th, 2013 at 10:30pm
 
O2 DID help. It helped for years. It stopped helping when I became chronic. I was episodic for a bit over two years. I became chronic a little over a year ago, and since then basically everything has stopped helping me. The O2 stopped working, the imitrex, the caffeine, the zomig, or topomax, or anything. And the Imitrex had been working within about 10-15 minutes back before I became chronic. Since then, it started causing a lot of side effects because I've been taking it more frequently and I've never handled it very well. I think the side effects are prolonging the cluster headache. So it's not necessarily that it isn't working, it's just working against itself at first but once those side effects go away some the cluster headache gets a chance to go away. But it's damaging my heart and my stomach too much to take it. The Maxalt and similar things never did anything for me either though. They never even touched my migraines let alone the clusters.

And I'm not willing to try smoking. Even being near smoke triggers a headache, so that just seems like a terrible idea for me. Plus I have severe allergies to smoke. Thank you for the suggestion, though. If I weren't so allergic I would definitely be trying that.

I've had SPG blocks, that's why I know the gamma ray surgery will probably be successful for a bit. But I have to get the SPG blocks about 3 times a week, and the closest doctor for me that does them is an hour drive away and isn't covered by my insurance, which I can't afford in the slightest.
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Reply #7 - Sep 27th, 2013 at 3:34am
 
Wow, sounds like a real nightmare... my heart goes out to you. Sorry for asking, you sound like you do your research well, BUT... did you detox off everything else for 5 days before trying the busting method? It is key to that therapy.

Edit: That means almost everything... especially SSRI's.
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Reply #8 - Sep 27th, 2013 at 11:12am
 
What flow rate are you using?

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Reply #9 - Sep 27th, 2013 at 11:30am
 
Thank you for your support.
And yes, I made sure to get off of absolutely everything before trying the busting method. I was off of everything for my headaches for a week beforehand, and it took me six months to get off of my psych meds in order to try them.  I've tried them twice since being off of them with very little results. So, they don't seem like a very good option for me. They only work for about a week and a half, and only reduce the severity of the headaches about 10-15%.

Thank you very much for your advice, though.
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Reply #10 - Sep 27th, 2013 at 11:37am
 
And again I ask what flow rate do you use.  It makes a big difference.

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Reply #11 - Sep 27th, 2013 at 11:50am
 
Potter,
I'm currently at a flow rate of 15lpm. It's what my tank went up to successfully for over two years. When I became chronic and all my medications stopped working my doctor tried putting me on a higher lpm without any change just in case, but we both decided there was no point in that. It was my choice to just go back to my old tank and regulators and try the 15lpm when I was getting attacks.

But, I can assure everyone, this isn't a case of me using the oxygen incorrectly, or me having the improper LPM, or equipment. The 15lpm that I am on currently is my decision. Frankly, I'm the size of a child. Even if my tank is pushing out 25lpm of fresh oxygen, there's no way for me to inhale it.
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Reply #12 - Sep 27th, 2013 at 11:54am
 
Crank up the flow rate and huff like crazy.

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Reply #13 - Sep 27th, 2013 at 5:12pm
 
Using 15lpm my aborts average about 12 minutes. At 25lpm they are gone in under 5 minutes.

I've seen lots of people report that a higher flow rate gives them quicker aborts or it allows them to abort when previously they couldn't.

Do give a higher flow rate a go.
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Reply #14 - Sep 27th, 2013 at 6:45pm
 
And... if you do not have this mask using 25lpm...
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you are using it wrong in my opinion. And we hyperventilate it, so small or not, if you can't express all of the air from your lungs, breathe in pure O2 as deeply as you can, then repeat quickly without the bag running dry, it is simply not enough.
And as for the busting... if you spend any time on that site you will see that results can be slow. You reported a drop in frequency and intensity after busting, but did you stick with it? It takes most people 3 to 5 busts 5 days apart to see real results. Some chronics have to do much more.

Edit: And when I say chronics (like yourself) have to do much more, I mean chronics bust in high doses 5 to 7 times, and have to follow up often, sometimes weeks, sometimes months. Most chronics have a hard to kill beast!
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