Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
Clusterheadaches.com
 
Search box updated Dec 3, 2011... Search ch.com with Google!
  HomeHelpSearchLoginRegisterEvent CalendarBirthday List  
 





Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print
Has anyone tried this? (Read 9283 times)
Hoppy
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE


Posts: 1890
Perth WA
Gender: male
Has anyone tried this?
Jan 16th, 2014 at 10:42pm
 
Take a 50mg tab Imitrex / Imigran 30mins before going to
bed ,this is known to help some folk get between 5-7hrs sleep without that wake up call from the beast. But, always be wary your headaches getting pushed forward and getting more attacks during the day. Also this 50mg tab counts as part of your daily dose.

Hoppy.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Mar 10th, 2014 at 6:11am by Hoppy »  
 
IP Logged
 
Mike NZ
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline


Oxygen rocks! D3 too!


Posts: 3785
Auckland, New Zealand
Gender: male
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #1 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:21pm
 
And taking sumitriptan every night might result in medication rebound headaches too.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Hoppy
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE


Posts: 1890
Perth WA
Gender: male
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #2 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:45pm
 
Hi Mike,
True. But, "the devil you do the devil you don't"

Hoppy.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
blacklab
Ex Member



Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #3 - Jan 17th, 2014 at 1:53am
 
I hear what your saying hoppy, the sumitriptan tablets ?
  is that the same as imigran tablets ?
that is basically my only form of defence. I only take the 50 mg one and have only taken 2 at once, once.
this time last year was my nightmare, and my neuro said, just keep taking them, 4 attacks a day, and 1 or 2 during the night, I was taking well over the max permitted, the chemist wouldn't give me any more without a direct phone call from my neuro.  if I took it, at the very very earliest time I first felt a tingle, I'd only get a 15 minute ( kip 10 ) attack  ( I had no idea about 02 at this point )
but to cut along story short, I was told to use the pre-take method you described, when I went to bed to stop the 2.00 am and 5.00 am attacks,  what happened was as mike described, it pushed the 2.00 am one to 6.00am and the 5.00 am one to 9.00am and I still got the normal 4 hits thru the day.  I got the rebound effect happening so bad, it was like ground hog day.   cycle ended 4 weeks later and the next cycle I found batch and the forum.  haven't needed to actually get 02 yet and only taken 1 imigran in the last 4 plus months.
if someone doesn't get the rebounds from that method, that's absolutely fantastic,  but it nearly finished me  LOL

kindest regards hoppy
colin
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Mike NZ
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline


Oxygen rocks! D3 too!


Posts: 3785
Auckland, New Zealand
Gender: male
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #4 - Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:11am
 
Quote:
I hear what your saying hoppy, the sumitriptan tablets ?
  is that the same as imigran tablets ?


Imitrex is the brand name in the US, Imigran is the brand in the UK, Australia and NZ, with sumitriptan being the generic name.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Hoppy
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE


Posts: 1890
Perth WA
Gender: male
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #5 - Jan 17th, 2014 at 2:51am
 
Hi Colin,
Yes, Imigran. It's great to hear your going so well, and
getting your life back. For me it's like living in a different
world. Without CH's. Back when i was on Imigran, i had the
same problem with my Chemist as you. So i went to different doc's and Chemist each time to get around it without the hassle. If we lived in the UK it would'nt pose
a problem. You can buy them over the counter at any Chemist.

Best to you, Hoppy.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jan 17th, 2014 at 3:09am by Hoppy »  
 
IP Logged
 
bradintoronto
CH.com Newbie
*
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 3
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #6 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 10:48pm
 
I absolutely take a imitrex (I'm on zomig now) before a go to bed during a series of CH.  I don't get them very often, last round was almost 5 years ago, but they would come twice a day at 11:30 a.m. and 2:30 a.m.  This last round was 65 days, but I would take a pill before bed and it worked 100% of the time for me.  I never woke up screaming at 2:30, and my mornings were great.  I didn't do the same for the 11:30 timeslot because I would never know when the series would finish in that case.  The only negative thing I could have done with this method was extend the length as every other series in my life only lasted 30 days.  I doubt it works like this but it has crossed my mind, that it worked out to be the same amount of actual headaches (twice a day for 30 days / or once a day for 60). 
I am back on the site after a long time because I think they are coming again Sad.  I am not complaining as I know full well there are so many, if not all of you that suffer so much worse than me - but I am still not looking forward to it. Embarrassed

As for taking a pill before bed, I say go for it - give it a try, what do you have to loose?  It worked for me perfectly.

Good luck,
Brad
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Hoppy
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE


Posts: 1890
Perth WA
Gender: male
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #7 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 12:42am
 
Brad wrote,
As for taking a pill before bed, I say go for it - give it a try, what do you have to loose?  It worked for me perfectly.

Hi Brad,
I'm pleased to hear your getting some good zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
and pain free nights.

Hoppy.

Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Esheel31
CH.com Junior
**
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 74
Virginia,USA
Gender: male
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #8 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 9:08pm
 
I tried that once.pills were all i could get from my gp until I went to my neuro.
My gp wanted me to take a half tablet with 3 or 4 ibuprofen before bed.
Didn't help.nor did a whole one.still woke around 1 am with the urge to shut my head in a car door repeatedly .
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Esheel31
CH.com Junior
**
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 74
Virginia,USA
Gender: male
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #9 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 9:11pm
 
I've got one.has anyone ever tried to crush and snort a imitrex pill?
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
CH Brain
Ex Member



Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #10 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 11:35pm
 
Quote:
Taking a 50mg tab Imitrex/Imigran 30mins before bed has a proven record.

A "proven record" of what?

The validity of ideas like this one, possibly interpreted as "medical advice" should be called into question.

Please show us the clinical trials or evidence based science for your claim. I for one would be very interested to know more. As would my specialist, the principal developer of Zolmitriptan with particular knowledge of the triptan drug group.

I've asked him about this practice in a clinical consult, my specialist does not recommend this practice. I realise some people do this, but generally abortive triptans should be used - as abortives.

Taking oral Sumatriptan at any time, will still leave the body vulnerable to CH attack, within a relatively short period of time.

(In "layman's terms" Hoppy - It won't "buy" you a night's sleep, CH free):

Quote:
After oral administration, multiple peak concentrations are observed, but a concentration that is 75% of the final peak concentration is usually reached within 45 minutes. Total plasma clearance is rapid, with an elimination half-life of around 2 hours


Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

The Pharmacokinetics of Sumatriptan are well documented.
Do you know something about the Pharmacokinetics of Sumatriptan that we do not, Hoppy?

Quote:
Pharmacokinetics: the characteristic interactions of a drug and the body in terms of its absorption, distribution, metabolism, and excretion. - Journal of the American Medical Association.

Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Mike NZ
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline


Oxygen rocks! D3 too!


Posts: 3785
Auckland, New Zealand
Gender: male
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #11 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 11:45pm
 
Esheel31 wrote on Mar 7th, 2014 at 9:08pm:
My gp wanted me to take a half tablet with 3 or 4 ibuprofen before bed.
Didn't help.nor did a whole one.still woke around 1 am with the urge to shut my head in a car door repeatedly .


The advice of a GP who is suggesting using ibuprofen as part of a CH treatment plan has to be questioned given how ineffective pain killers, even the strongest narcotics, have on CH pain.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Esheel31
CH.com Junior
**
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 74
Virginia,USA
Gender: male
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #12 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 8:16am
 
I have to give it to him though.he has admitted he knows little about CH.young guy fresh out of school.very smart though. That was my first appt with him.2 weeks later @ my second visit he came in with a binder loaded with info he had researched.found my neuro for me(who is fantastic by the way),started me on the pred taper with verapamil prevent and got me in with the neuro early.called me a couple of months ago and asked if I would be intrested in zomig. I said I try anything to help.later told me he buttered up his pharmaceutical rep and got me three months worth of samples.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
maz
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 1071
Hampshire, England
Gender: female
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #13 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:45am
 
I tried it Hoppy after you suggested it to me. The instructions say they shouldn't be taken in advance but what the hell. I'll try anything (almost) once.

I take one at bed time, and it works for me. I don't get away with the CH - they just get pushed back a few hours and I have extra daytime ones, but at least I get a nights sleep. And that helps a lot when you're fighting this battle.

The instructions also say " take one 50 mg tablet. Some people may need 100mg. Do not take more than 300mg in 24 hours". So when I'm having a really bad time I take two. It must be safe or they wouldn't say it.

I have also, on rare occasions when I've been going out of my mind, gone over the reccommended dose in 24 hours with the injections. Two injections in 20 hours instead of 24, so they were still widely spread apart. I've been so desperate that I figure there is nothing I can do to myself that would be worse than this. Although I obviosly would not reccommend this to any one, I had no ill effects.

I didn't know you could get them over the counter here.
Maz.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Hoppy
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE


Posts: 1890
Perth WA
Gender: male
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #14 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 5:00pm
 
Hi Maz,
Nice to hear from you and that you are learning all the tricks
of the trade to do battle with the beast. Being a pom i often
pop onto OUCHUK site and i've read lots of good reports about the bedtime nightcap, it was also listed on there treatments and remedies board. That site got hacked last year and there just back up and running now. So now they have to start all over again.You say you get through the
night now without a wake up call i love it. But hears a thought have you tried taking one when you get up to
see if you get some extra pain free time during the day.

Hoppy.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
maz
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 1071
Hampshire, England
Gender: female
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #15 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 6:21pm
 
Duh...........didn't think of that. As it happens I think my current bout is coming to an end. I've been PF for several days now, till this evening when I got a K3.It went away by it's self in about 20 mins. The previous one was tuesday, also a short K3. So now I will stock pile a few meds ready for the next time, but I won't need so many now thanks to the 02. But thanks for the suggestion Hoppy. Next time around I'll give it a go.

Didn't know you were a pom. Where from?
Maz.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Hoppy
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE


Posts: 1890
Perth WA
Gender: male
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #16 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 7:24pm
 
Yeh, i came here in 1972 as a 10 pound pom. First to Sydney
then worked my way around oz and finished up here in Perth.
Where i met my wife. My home town is Oxford and go there
on regular trips to catch up with my brother and sister. And,
my brother who lives in Switzerland. We shall be meeting up
with him and his wife in Nice later this year. Via London and
Mykonos.

Hoppy.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
CH Brain
Ex Member



Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #17 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 12:10am
 
maz wrote on Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:45am:
I don't get away with the CH - they just get pushed back a few hours and I have extra daytime ones


Entirely consistent with the drug's well described Phamacokinetics.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Hoppy
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE


Posts: 1890
Perth WA
Gender: male
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #18 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 12:27am
 
Maz wrote,
but at least I get a nights sleep. And that helps a lot when you're fighting this battle.

Hoppy.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Mar 9th, 2014 at 2:07am by Hoppy »  
 
IP Logged
 
Mike NZ
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline


Oxygen rocks! D3 too!


Posts: 3785
Auckland, New Zealand
Gender: male
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #19 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 2:27am
 
Hoppy wrote on Mar 9th, 2014 at 12:27am:
but at least I get a nights sleep. And that helps a lot when you're fighting this battle.


I really understand the benefit of a nights sleep. It is just a case of weighing up the benefits of the postponing of the CH, the risk of rebound CHs from using a triptan "too often" and since you're limited as to how much triptan dose you can have in a day, being one dose down before you start the day.

So much of CH medication choices is about the risk / benefits / side effects and how you work out what works best for you.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Mike NZ
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline


Oxygen rocks! D3 too!


Posts: 3785
Auckland, New Zealand
Gender: male
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #20 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 2:30am
 
Esheel31 wrote on Mar 8th, 2014 at 8:16am:
I have to give it to him though.he has admitted he knows little about CH.young guy fresh out of school.very smart though. That was my first appt with him.2 weeks later @ my second visit he came in with a binder loaded with info he had researched.found my neuro for me(who is fantastic by the way),started me on the pred taper with verapamil prevent and got me in with the neuro early.called me a couple of months ago and asked if I would be intrested in zomig. I said I try anything to help.later told me he buttered up his pharmaceutical rep and got me three months worth of samples.


That sounds like you've found a good GP to work with as it isn't too easy to find someone who is willing to admit that their knowledge needs to be increased, then for them to do the research and to also know when it is a good idea to also refer you to a good neuro.

You'll also be benefitting anyone else who has CH who sees the same doctor as they'll be starting from a good knowledge point.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
maz
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 1071
Hampshire, England
Gender: female
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #21 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 4:16am
 
Yes, I still have all the CHs the beast has planned for me - you don't get away with anything. But the choice is , have 6 Chs a day or have 6 CHs a day while you're exhausted. I'm a dreadful insomniac even when I'm well, so I need all the sleep I can get. When I first started having CH, before I had a diagnosis or meds, it went on all day and all night for weeks untill I felt so ill in every other way I was starting to think there was only one way out.

After taking the night time pill I do sometimes wake up with an absolutely ENORMOUS headache, but it's an ordinary headache (my preferred type)  Roll Eyes which I can take care of with OTC pain  meds. If that's the price I have to pay for avoiding night time hits thats OK with me.

Hoppy, Oford is do-able for us. Next time you come I'd love to meet up if you have time.
Maz.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Hoppy
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE


Posts: 1890
Perth WA
Gender: male
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #22 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 4:35am
 
Maz wrote,
The instructions also say " take one 50 mg tablet. Some people may need 100mg. Do not take more than 300mg in 24 hours". So when I'm having a really bad time I take two. It must be safe or they wouldn't say it.

That means you can take 6 x 50mg tabs in 24hrs when i was
on them it was 4 in 24hrs. I would get two attacks a day one in the morning and one in the arvo. So based on that if i got night attacks which i did'nt i was allowed 2 more tabs. one before going to bed and 1 spare. So this thread was based on your daily dosage.

Hoppy.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Hoppy
CH.com Alumnus
***
Offline


LAUGHTER IS THE BEST MEDICINE


Posts: 1890
Perth WA
Gender: male
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #23 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 5:20am
 
Hi Maz,
Good morning, hoping you got some good zzzzzzzzzzz. Just
a thought,did you take the D3 regime throughout your cycle?
When i started on the regime during my Spring 2012 cycle
my headaches went from the normal two a day up to six a
day but i read on here this can happen. But, i hav'nt had
a CH since, food for thought. Yes we will be in Oxford after
Nice. So i'll PM you closer to the time it would be great to
catch up with you and your lover of books hubby lol.

Hoppy.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
maz
CH.com Hall of Famer
*****
Offline


I Love CH.com!


Posts: 1071
Hampshire, England
Gender: female
Re: Has anyone tried this?
Reply #24 - Mar 9th, 2014 at 11:39am
 
Hi Hoppy, Yes I have been on the D3 regime since June last year. So unfortunately it hasn't had the result I was hoping for. But that said, apart from a few big ones, on the whole my hits have been milder and the cycle much shorter than usual. So I guess that is a result after all.

You called my hubby a lover of books.  Smiley  I'm rarely without a book - I've always said  reading was the best thing I ever learned to do, but I don't think Len has ever read a book in his life !!!

Looking forward to Oxford.
Maz.
Back to top
  
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print

DISCLAIMER: All information contained on this web site is for informational purposes only.  It is in no way intended to be used as a replacement for professional medical treatment.   clusterheadaches.com makes no claims as to the scientific/clinical validity of the information on this site OR to that of the information linked to from this site.  All information taken from the internet should be discussed with a medical professional!