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Feb 7th, 2014 at 9:00pm
 
Just need to rant. I'm only 6 days into this episode and already reaching the end of my tether.  Having 4 - 5 attacks a day at k8 and only allowed 2 sumatriptan injections.So thats at least 3 a day that I have to get through without help.

My legs are sore from sticking myself with needles, my eye is permanently red, I've got toothache and a sore cheek bone, and it feels like I've been punched. I've got a permanent k3 in between the big ones and a small bald patch where I pulled out my hair. I have suma pills too but they do diddly sqat, and the energy drinks only work for the mild ones and leave me feeling nauseous and bloated for hours. I swear you could scour out the fuel tanks of an air bus with that stuff.   Smiley I know 6 days isn't long. I really don't know how you chronic sufferers survive. I'm just praying for the end to come soon, but if past experience is anything to go by, prayers don't get answered to often.

Maybe I was evil in a previous life ! OK rant over.

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Reply #1 - Feb 7th, 2014 at 10:47pm
 
Maz,

If ranting is what it takes go for it. I know from your posts that you are a strong person and I can tell from this one that you are in a lot of pain. I have been in the same situation as you and have gotten through it. I would encourage you to take a look at Bob Johnson's post on pain vs suffering. It helped me to frame what is and was happening. If there are things that you think one of us on the board could help you with, please ask.

I don't know how things work in England, but I'm wondering what it would take for you to get oxygen? It was a god send for me and though insurance would not cover it here. It was not very expensive. If you need the particulars for this there are many here who would jump at the opportunity to help.

Just go ahead and rant and know that I'm thinking of you, wishing you well, and that there are people all over the world to help and support you.

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Reply #2 - Feb 7th, 2014 at 10:50pm
 
I've found that those energy drinks can often result in rebound headaches that last almost all day and hover in the kip 3 range too. Try ditching those things, as they're probably only making your situation worse rather than better.
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Reply #3 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 2:38am
 
What are you using as a preventive?, what dose?
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Reply #4 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:49am
 
Thanks guys,
The only prevent I have is indomethicin which I am sure is not the right drug for my type of HA. It didn't work for my last cycle, but my neuro insists it's what I need and  said I hadn't taken it properly. So this time around I'm giving it another go, but now, on day 7, there is still no relief.

Hoppy suggested I take a sumatriptan pill before bed, and so far I have slept through the night, but I've woken at 7am each morning with a humdinger, so my first injection gets used early in the day. It's a long day to face with only one left.

I've never been offered verapamil or oxygen. I wouldn't have even known about it if it hadn't been for my friends here. It's the weekend now so no doctors available here till monday so I'll call them then but I know I won't be able to see my own GP as it takes 2 weeks minimum to get an appointment. She's pretty good but unavailable. I will have to see the duty doctor and they are always the  youngsters sraight out of med school who need a bit of work experience. They don't have a clue. I will ask for oxygen but I swear I'll punch him if he tries to send me away with paracetomol. If all else fails my son has a friend who's a welder.
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Reply #5 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:58am
 
Where will I find Bob's post on pain versus suffering. I can't find it. Can someone send a link or give me directions. Thanks.
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Reply #6 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 6:30am
 
Hi Maz,
Call OUCHUK on 01646 651 979. They will sort out the oxygen for you very quick. Also they can help you with all your other  Questioning.

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Reply #7 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 8:01am
 
Thanks Hoppy. Just phoned them and they were very understanding, but they said I still need a doctors prescription for the 02. Guess I'll just have to wait till monday and hope for the best.
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Reply #8 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 8:42am
 
maz wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 8:01am:
...but they said I still need a doctors prescription for the 02. Guess I'll just have to wait till monday and hope for the best.

This gives you plenty of time to collect the proper medical papers to present to your doctor so you receive exactly the O2 prescription you need.

Our good friends here at ch.com can give you properly documented documents to help your GP make an informed decision.

Hoping for the best is one thing. Stamping our little foot and making certain informed demands may get us little further, but it dinkum makes you feel better in the morning.




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Reply #9 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:03am
 
This is Bob Johnson's Essay:

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PAIN VS. SUFFERING

Please, reader, do not approach this little essay as an alternative treatment or cure for CH! Nothing outlined here is a substitute for good, sound medical care and treatment.

AT THE HEART OF THESE PARAGRAPHS is the recognition that pain and suffering are rather different experiences which can and must be changed by rather different responses. The pain of our CH is the subject of many of the messages we exchange, the topic fills the medical literature we read, and is the primary purpose for the multiple visits to doctors.

Suffering is quite a different animal. It is an emotional/psychological condition which is often experienced even when there is no pain; it is commonly experienced as fear, anxiety, depression, hopelessness, dread, and fearful anticipation.

Suffering is a normal, even automatic, response to pain, loss (as in death, divorce, or other major losses), and a host of other difficult experiences. However, suffering can be intensified, sustained, and even created quite independently of any of these experiences. In the case of our CH, suffering is too often experienced when we are not having attacks.

The hard paradox is: WE CAN SUFFER EVEN WHEN WE ARE NOT IN PAIN!  This is the paradox which we need to resolve if CH is not to be the controlling experience in life.

As you read our messages about CH they fall into two broad categories: causes, prevention, and treatment; and, the subjective experience or emotional side of CH. 

A sample of the "experience" messages which we see are along the lines such as:

"Ch is horrible; it never stops!" (Or it will never end; or they will go on all my life, etc.)
"I can't bear the pain!"

" Nothing makes me feel better!" (Or no medication works; all have failed and so on.)

"It's not FAIR!" (Or variations along the lines of, "why is God doing this?", "am I being punished?")

"I feel so GUILTY!" --because of how I burden my family or can't work, etc.

"The WORST thing in my life!" (Or some variation on how CH is a catastrophe that I can't handle.)

(Before moving on, you may recognize this concept as the core of cognitive therapy or Rational Emotive Therapy. These therapies are rooted in the basic idea that how we think about an experience creates corresponding emotional reactions--for good or bad. The research on the effectiveness of this approach is very good; outcome research shows that it is an effective form of therapy for depression, anxiety, and addictions of various types.)

Cognitive therapies teach people to recognize:

A. These thoughts may be spontaneous and automatic but,
B. They are not rational thoughts, and so, in their very lack of reason they,
C. Stimulate emotions which are disruptive, distorting, and which intensify the difficult experience of CH and,
D. This style of non-rational thinking and the associated emotions tend to spill out (generalize) into our larger lives affecting relationships, our beliefs in how effective we are, how well we are able to run our own lives, and so on.

IF (and this is often difficult to both see and to accept!) we can begin to see HOW our thinking may not be fully rational and HOW these ways of thinking feed our SUFFERING--then it may be possible to change our thinking habits.

The next step--past a willingness to consider that we may be thinking  this way--is to learn how to dispute with ourselves, that is, how to argue that our own thinking is not reasonable, that it is self-harming. Then we learn how to change these thinking habits (with the goal in mind that by changing how I think about my experience will change how I feel, how my emotions affect me.)

(Understand that this is an outline of a fairly involved process. I'm just trying to quickly summarize how this method of self-help works. Sources of material are at then end.) So, let's go back to the sampling of expressions which we see in our messages about CH and see how cognitive psychology would deal with them.

1. "CH is horrible; it never stops!" First, recognize the despair and hopelessness which arises from this statement: where will this line of thinking take me? So, we learn to respond more rationally, i.e., "Yes, it's hard pain--but it has always stopped even when I don't treat it. I can survive this attack as I have every other one. I need to do what I know helps."  The long term effective of this change in thinking is to increase self-confidence and a sense capacity to benefit ourselves.

2. "I can't bear the pain!" Response: "I always have. I know pretty much what to expect; I've got some medication which helps. I can bear the pain because I always have!"  Notice, this is not a denial of the pain; it's not a "let's pretend". The goal is to deal with the reality of temporary pain; pain which, as bad as it is, has always stopped with our return to reasonable well being. It is the denial of this, our personal experience, which arouses suffering and despair.

3. "It's not FAIR!", or thoughts of GUILT, or that I'm being PUNISHED. Response:  "This is my body not working right; it has nothing to do with morality or sin or fairness. My job is to care for ME, NOW, not fret about fairness." (The consequence of  an appeal to "fairness" is that we become victims. The problem with "guilt" is that we have to find a "sin" which justifies having CH or we must convince ourselves that we have chosen CH to avoid something or to hurt someone, hence, our sin. In the end, this line of thinking is not reasonable or rational and serves to create more suffering.)

4. "CH is the WORST thing in my life!" I often see folks express in their messages a sense of anticipation, of feared expectation about the next attack of cycle. There are few responses which lend themselves to the development of suffering better than this one: waiting for pain; looking for the next sign; assuming that it will come. Reflect a moment on what the impact is on our emotional well being and you may begin to appreciate why changing thinking habits is of value.  How to respond?  "It is the worst experience--when it's occurring--then it's over and I return to my full life. My whole experience says that I'll come through the next  one--when and if it comes. I don't have to wait and look for it; there is living to be done, now."

If you are interested in exploring this way of altering your thinking habits there are three readily available sources of information:

1. Go to Amazon.Com and put "rational emotive therapy" in the book search box.

2. Go to Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register and get the catalog. (This is the homebase for Dr. Albert Ellis, the founder of Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy.)

3. Look for a paperback, FEELING GOOD: THE NEW MOOD THERAPY, David Burns, M.D. While this title is written around the issue of depression, the general framework can be applied to coping with cluster headache.
  This is true for many of the titles you will find at #2; REBT and  Dr. Burns' cognitive restructuring approaches have been used for a wide variety of problems--the general framework is fairly universal, in this sense
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Reply #11 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 10:22am
 
O2 is definitely worth getting, it is a lifesaver for me and many others.  Also, look into taking your Sumatriptan injections in smaller doses.  Many CHers have indicated that 3 mg, and even 2 mg injections are enough to abort attacks.  Try it.  If 3 mg works, that will give you 4 doses per day instead of two.  And if 2 mg works, you get six doses per day!  I am using 3 mg, and that's good enough to abort.

If you are using an auto-injector, you'll need to take it apart, but there are resources on the web for this.  Google should get you there.

Best wishes to you!
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Reply #12 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 2:51pm
 
Make it easy for your doctor.

Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

That is pretty much a recipe for a doctor to follow to sort out getting oxygen on the NHS, with links to the appropriate forms they need to complete.

I'd download them, complete what you can so they just need to review them and sign them. And by being the NHS forms it helps make it easier for them to understand that this is the standard treatment and nothing unusual.

If that still doesn't work, I'd get welding oxygen sorted out.

Having oxygen to kill CHs is a life saver. I was in tears the first time I used it as I knew I no longer had to put up with the 75 minute torture sessions, swapping them for 5 minutes on the oxygen. My supporter was also in tears as she knew what it meant too.

Just do whatever you need to do to get it arranged.
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Thanks Mike. Will do.
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Reply #14 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:15pm
 
Hi Maz,
Did you get the "HOOF" form (home order oxygen form)
from ouch, to give to your doctor to sign?

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Reply #15 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:35pm
 
No but I can print one off to take with me. Thanks every one for your advice. I've said it before - what would I do without you all.
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Reply #16 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:31pm
 
Hi Maz,
Sorry to read your cycle just began, that sucks! Cry

You have been offered some great advice about Pain vs Suffering, and o2. 

Have you considered the anti-inflammatory vitamin regimen?  It has proven amazingly helpful for most CH'ers who are consistent following protocol.  I would suggest you try it!  The worst that can happen when taking this vitamin regimen is you become more healthy.  Of course the best thing that can happen when taking the vitamin regimen is that it reduces frequency, minimizes intensity of each attack and ultimately breaks your cycle. 

As you've learned quickly, this website will provide you with the best education about CH's compared to any resource worldwide. 

You probably understand by now that most people do not understand CH's, in fact most doctors do not understand CH's.  What does this mean to you?  You must be a self advocate and educate yourself moreso than relying on others, even the so called medical professionals.  So please do some reading and also feel free to ask questions, rant your vents, be supportive to others, etc day or night, 24/7. 

Lastly, hang in there!  You are not alone!  You have a wonderful support group here on this website who truly understand your pain and also your suffering!

Wishing you PFDAN! Wink

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Reply #17 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 5:29pm
 
Hi Gregg
I've actually been on the full D3 regimen for over 7 months now.  Have had a few PM's with Batch, and after 60 days I was well on track. I was going to see if I can get another blood test before I contact him again, so I can tell him where I'm at.

I must say I'm feeling dissappointed as I had convinced myself that it would put an end to my CH. I have not had any infections or colds or anything that would use up my D3 and leave me vulnerable, so I don't know why it's not working. I guess nothing will work for everyone. I've bought it all in vast quantities so I will keep taking it anyway. At least I didn't catch a bad cold when absolutely every one around me had it.
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Reply #18 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 5:50pm
 
Hi Maz,
Sorry to read that it's no longer effective for you.  Sounds like you know what you are speaking of referencing a cold, etc and D3 reserves.

In my opinion, waiting on a blood test to tell Batch where you're at might not be in your best interest, to wait, don't wait, contact him and tell him your vitamin protocol and i'm confident he will steer you in the right direction that's helped so many of us. 

Good luck! Wink

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Reply #19 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:59pm
 
G'day Maz

So sorry The Beast has found you again!

Best of luck with the oxygen. I hope and pray that being armed with all the right bits of paper will open doors and cut the bureaucrap for you. Aren't the people on this site wonderful?

Please say G'day to Len from me and tell him you're both in my thoughts and prayers.

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Reply #20 - Feb 9th, 2014 at 3:58am
 
Hi Denny

Thanks for your kind thoughts. Sometimes I think the bureaurcrap is more frustrating than the CH. But yes, the people on this site are the best ever.

Looked at our photos yesterday and had another good laugh over the soaking we got. Talking of soaking it has rained here for 2 months solid, and thousands of people have lost thier homes due to floods. Roads and rail lines have been washed away too. Fortunately, apart from a new "swimming pool" in the garden we have not been effected. It's not been very cold either.

Take care, and give our love to Brian. Len says Hi.
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Reply #21 - Feb 10th, 2014 at 10:25am
 
Hi every one
An update  - I am now on day 10 of this cycle and indomethicin is still not working. I tried to get a Dr appointment but impossible to see anyone for at least 2 weeks. But I must have sounded desperate because one of the doctors phoned me back. He was not some one I've met before and sounded quite young. He agreed that my neuo's diagnosis didn't quite make sense - That I have TAC, not clusters, because clusters IS a TAC.

He told me he knew the basics of clusters but was certainly no expert. So, I told him what meds I have and how they worked, and said I wanted to try oxygen on the advice of every one here. He queried my request for 15 - 25 ltrs till I explained that you have to hyperventilate and then it acts as a vasoconstrictor, just like the injections do but without the drugs. And he took on board the kind of mask I need.

He said he couldn't understand why "this neuro bloke" hadn't suggested it long ago, and he signed the form immediately. WHAT A STAR !!!  He did warn me though, that the suppliers are a nightmare to deal with, so not to be surprised if I had trouble getting the initial supply. So that will be my next hurdle, but at least the wheels have been set in motion and if there are no problems I should have my 02 by the end of the week.

He also said he thought a support group like this was a brilliant idea ( not like my neuro who said you would all mislead me). Thanks every one for all your support.
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Reply #22 - Feb 10th, 2014 at 11:02am
 
Sounds like you have a winner there! An open minded Dr is getting hard to find. Good luck with the O2...it saved my sanity!

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Reply #23 - Feb 10th, 2014 at 2:24pm
 
Good news Maz, that is the first step you needed to getting O2 sorted out.

Even if the supplier is a pain just keep getting in contact with them until you get what you need. The effort of a few phone calls is nothing compared to what oxygen will do for you.

In the UK the cylinders often come with a built in regulator which will only go to 15lpm. So if that is what they are offering then take that to get it in hand and then work to see if you can get 25lpm.
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Reply #24 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 4:51pm
 
Another update. Got the 02. YEAAAAAAAAAAAY. The standard 3 day delivery took 7 days,(well, this is England after all) but they brought the correct mask and the guy took the time to show me how to use it. Only 15 ltrs per minute, and he told me they don't go higher than that, but hopefully it will be enough. So now I just have to wait for my next visit from the beast to try it out. The way things have been I shouldn't have to wait too long. Yesterday I had 6 daytime visits and 3 during the night. One was only k3 but all the others were k8, so the arrival of 02 was timely. Only had 2 today at 9am and 3.30pm., and the 02 arrived at 4.30. Wish me luck.
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