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Greetings from Lausanne, Switzerland
Apr 28th, 2014 at 4:13pm
 
Hello (not a native speaker, please bare with me)

Let's start off with a fun fact: Did you know that the country code of Switzerland is CH?
Well, I've certainly lived in CH-land for the past few weeks …

I just recently was diagnosed with CH by my primary physician and am currently about 4 weeks into my first cycle. Still figuring out what the most effective treatment is.

Ever since I know the name of the devil that torments me I've been reading everything I could find on the subject.
Then I stumbled on this website. It really is good to know that I am not alone and I appreciate all of the great information found here.

The trickiest part (besides dealing with the pain, of course) has been to make people understand what I suffer from. How did you guys go about this?

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Nick
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Re: Greetings from Lausanne, Switzerland
Reply #1 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 4:45pm
 
Hi Nick and welcome,

Nick wrote, The trickiest part (besides dealing with the pain, of course) has been to make people understand what I suffer from. How did you guys go about this?

Unless they are a sufferer themselves they will never be
able to understand what CH pain is really like.

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Re: Greetings from Lausanne, Switzerland
Reply #2 - Apr 28th, 2014 at 4:51pm
 
NickM wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 4:13pm:
The trickiest part (besides dealing with the pain, of course) has been to make people understand what I suffer from. How did you guys go about this?


You are correct, it is a tricky part.  I for the most part have stopped trying.  My family knows what I go through, they see it, my boss really couldn't care less so that's tough.  Everyone else I just say I get really really bad headaches that send me to the emergency room.  I actually never go to the ER but people seem to relate better when I tell them that.
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Re: Greetings from Lausanne, Switzerland
Reply #3 - Apr 29th, 2014 at 10:42am
 
Has your doctor offered you a treatment plan? If yes, what is it?

Do you know whether he has mulch training/experience in treating complex headache disorders? (Most docs in the U.S. and UK are quite limited in this area and so we recommend using a specialist in headache, if at all possible.)

It's confusing for you and us to start offering treatment suggestions without knowing what are your specific questions.

Take a look a the PDF file, below. These are the most commonly used medications for Cluster. Share with your doctor, talk about your options and, in the process, you will get some idea of how knowedgeable he is.
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Reply #4 - Apr 29th, 2014 at 12:45pm
 
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Unless they are a sufferer themselves they will never be
able to understand what CH pain is really like.

That is a fair point, I wouldn't have believed that headaches could be this painfull prior to my first bout.

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Everyone else I just say I get really really bad headaches that send me to the emergency room.  I actually never go to the ER but people seem to relate better when I tell them that.

Thanks for the advice Jason, this seems to be the easiest way to make people understand w/o having to explain too much about it.


Bob Johnson wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 10:42am:
Has your doctor offered you a treatment plan? If yes, what is it?

My physician prescribed verapamil (slow realease) 120mg 2 times a day as a prophylaxis and Zolmitriptan nasal spray as acute treatement.
For now I don't realy feel the prophylaxis has taken effect, but I read it can take up to 2 weeks to do so. (it has been almost a week since I started treatement)
The Zolmitriptan nasal spray has been working great so far, usually stopping the attack within 10-20 minutes.

She also talked about the possibility of using O2 to stop attacks, but apparently this would be the most expensive solution (at least here in Switzerland).

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Do you know whether he has mulch training/experience in treating complex headache disorders?

She is a general practitioner(?), but she told me she had further education and experience treating headache disorders. I seem to be lucky in this regard, seeing how many only get diagnosed after years of suffering.

Thank you for all the replies, realy means alot to me.

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Nick

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Reply #5 - Apr 29th, 2014 at 3:05pm
 
Your Verap. dose may have to increase. These are medical abstracts which disucss the topic and which clearlly reflect what many of our members have expeienced.
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Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   


Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.

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Reply #6 - May 1st, 2014 at 12:55pm
 
Hey Nick,

Welcome to CH.com you've come to the right place.  We know what you're going through and the good news is it doesn't need to be that way.

One of the best standards of care recommended treatment strategies has been formulated by a task force from European Federation of Neurological Societies.  The recommended treatments for CH can be found at the following link:

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Members of this task force are among the world's leading neurologists specializing in the treatment of patients with cluster headache and other trigemino-autonomic cephalgias.  They include doctors Evers S, Afra J, Frese A, Goadsby PJ, Linde M, May A, Sandor PS.

I've had the opportunity to meet with Dr. Arne May, Dr. Peter Sandor and Dr. Peter Goadsby to discus the optimum use of oxygen therapy as a cluster headache abortive.

Dr. Sandor lives and works there in Switzerland at the Neurorehabilitation, RehaClinic Bad, Zurzach/Baden, Switzerland.  You should be able to contact his practice at the following link:

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In the mean time ask your PCP for the lab test for 25(OH)D.  This is the serum level metabolite of vitamin D3 that's used to measure its status.  The normal reference range for this lab test is 30 to 100 ng/mL, (75 to 250 nmol/L). 

So far, nearly every cluster headache sufferer (CH'er) with active CH who has gone in for this lab test has had their results come back indicating a vitamin D3 deficiency, i.e., a 25(OH)D serum concentration ≤ 30 ng/mL, (75 nmol/L).

As CH'ers we need to keep our serum 25(OH)D concentration in a range between 60 and 100 ng/mL, (150 to 250 nmol/L). This will require taking 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3 as a part of the anti-inflammatory regimen.

The following photo illustrates the supplements I take by brand to prevent my CH.  I've been pain free since starting this regimen in October of 2010.

Most of these supplements can be ordered over the Internet from iHerb or Amazon as many of them including the 5,000 IU vitamin D3 are not generally available over the counter in Switzerland.

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The list of key supplements and doses contained in the photo above are illustrated in the following table:

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You can read about this regimen at the following link:

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Take care hang in there and please keep us posted.

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