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Jun 14th, 2014 at 11:36pm
 
I have been to numerous ER visits and have seen two neros.  I have had some form of headache in varying degrees since May 31st. I was feeling froggy tonight and I decided maybe I just need to get healthy and start working out again. I ran like a quarter mile and it felt like my head was going to explode! I have gotten two good ct scans and im assuming they ran my blood for any types od infections. The second ER doc said he thinks its cluster headaches but I havent gotten a definitive answer yet. I have a physical at the VA next week and im just frustrated. I have been on the meds and off the meds. The clonzapam they prescribed me for anxiety makes me feel crazy so i took it yesterday but not today. I only take the sumatriptan whenever the headaches are really bad. Right now my face feels tingly and my right eye hurts, with a dull pressure on the side of my head.

I have also had confusion, anger, and fatigue from the meds. Ugh
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Reply #1 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 12:23am
 
Is sumatriptan addictive? I dont wanna take these things unless I get a really bad attack but man it did take away most of the pain last night. Someone please answer:)
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Reply #2 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 12:47am
 
Maybe these are just migraines? Cause cause I mean im not screaming in pain? But aren't migraines on the whole head? This thing is only on the right side. Staying positive
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Reply #3 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 2:33am
 
Hi Jamesss
I have taken sumatriptan injections for CH for 2 or 3 years now, and no, I don't believe they are addictive. Not for me anyway. There are pills (which take far too long to get into your system to be of much help), nasal spray (not tried it) and the auto injections which I swear have saved my life.  I NEVER leave home without them. On occasions I have taken 2 per day for several weeks, but no sign of addiction. It is possible to get rebound headaches from too much sumatriptan, but for me they are the kind that can be taken care of with over the counter headache meds (my favourite kind).

I should stress here that the most important thing you need to do is get a definate diagnosis, as there are many conditions that mimic CH, and they all respond to different meds. You need to see a headache specialist. Hopefully some one here will come along with info on how to find one. Tell us where you live - some one may know the right doctor in your area.  On the left of your screen there is a blue tab "cluster quiz". Take the quiz as it will help lead you to an answer, and maybe print it out so you can show your doctor.

In the mean time, sumatriptan is for CH and migraine, so if it takes away your pain I would go ahead with it. Also, search these boards for posts about a vitamin D3 regime which has gone wild here and proven to be successfull for over 80% of those who try it.

Hope this helps
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Reply #4 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 2:51am
 
Hi Jamess and welcome,
If you look to your left on this page you will see a link
cluster quiz, take the quiz and maybe answer your  Questioning, am I a cluster head or not.

Good  Luck, Hoppy.
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Reply #5 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 2:56am
 
Maz, thank you for the reply. I was doing some research, and I noticed that if you do take sumatriptan for a migraine that you can end up getting rebound headaches. Maybe since I have been on and off the medications since may 31st, what im experiencing are those. I might just be constantly triggering my own headaches? Im not sure at this point, everyday I have a new theory about why I have this eye twitching on my right eye and the dull pain.

I live in Virginia, and I actually dont have insurance. But I'm a Veteran, so I can use the VA hospital, but it just takes a little longer to get appointments. My next appt is for an MRI, and thats in mid July. And then the follow up with the nero isnt untill September. Crossing my fingers that these migranes or whatever they are are gone by then. Im going to try and not take any medications, and see how that goes for the next few days. This site is very helpful, and even if I dont have CH, yall are a strong bunch.

Anyways, im off to bed and hope yall have a good night.
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Reply #6 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 3:07am
 
Eye twitching and the dull pain sound like your getting
shadows which is all part and parcels when your suffering
from CHs.

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Reply #7 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 3:11am
 
Eye twitching and the dull pain sounds like your getting
shadows which is all part and parcel when suffering
from CHs.

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Reply #8 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 3:14am
 
Hoppy, the quiz says I do have CH. But I mean, when I looked on YouTube I saw a girl who suffers from CH and mine aren't nearly as bad as that. I just have had this annoying pain on the right side of my head just about two inches up from my temple. Only the first three days are when I had to be in bed with a blanket over my head, wishing for it to stop. At this point, im just trired of researching, and this dull pain has been pressing on my right side non stop 24/7 for the past 16 days.

I need to stop taking the anxiety pills, and sumatriptan for about a week and see where this thing goes. We shall see. Thank you all for the help, sometimes it just helps to type and take my mind off this thing, ill call it the thing untill its classified Grin Grin
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Reply #9 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 3:17am
 
Shadows? Im confused.  Is that mean its dying down? Cool
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Reply #10 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 3:56am
 
Okay, so I just read a thread on shadows on here. I guess I should be grateful that this is the moment between a cycle? Geez. Do y'all remember the first time you got your first CH?

All I know is that when I took that sumatriptan during the bad parts that it didn't do shit. Is profanity allowed here? Grin I just dont want to take the sumatriptan till shit hits the fan. I guess I should be on the phone with my nero seeing if i can get some oxygen for when shtf.

But anyways, if the Army taught me anything, its certainly false motivation. I need to be on this neurologists ass, and see if I can get some cluster headache awareness going on at the VA.
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Reply #11 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 4:16am
 
Shadows are what we call very mild attacks of CH. All the symptoms, but reduced pain. Sometimes they are a warning that a big one is coming, and often they are present between attacks throughout the whole cycle.

As to the severity of your pain compared to others, we are all different. And each attack can be different too. Although we do compare our symptoms it's really more just out of curiosity. The one symptom that is common to all of us though, is the pain. I guess we all cling on to the hope that we will find some one just like us, who has found the answer.

Something you could try - at the very first sign of an attack ( don't wait till it ramps up) chug down (really fast - big gulps) a red bull energy drink. It's the combination of caffiene and taurine in a sudden hit which does the trick, so any drink with those ingredients will do. Monster is another favourite. It doesn't work for every one but lots of people here find it eases the pain and sometimes can even stop an attack in it's tracks if you get it quick enough.

Another fool proof abortive is pure oxygen. But, this is important You need a minimum of 15 litre per minute - 25 is better, with a non-rebreather mask. Get either of those wrong and it won't work.

The sumatriptan injections only come in 6mg doses but many people find 3 mg is enough. If you google "cluster headache splitting injections" there is a clip of a guy showing how to split the injections into smaller doses which may reduce rebounds or other side effects. It helps with the cost too.

Getting an MRI is good as it will rule out anything more sinister, but the only way to get a diagnosis of your headache is by trial and elimination with the different drugs. As I said before , the different kinds of headache respond to different meds. What works for one condition will not work for another. Believe me, I know from experience. I was 5 years before I got a diagnosis and the correct meds. Five years of my life that I can't get back.

I can't speak for others but for me the rebound HA's don't last long. Usually a thumper in the morning but after a couple of strong doses of asprin or something similar ( I take three) it will go. If your pain is continuous and you can't shift it it's probably not a rebound.

If it is CH it may well be gone by the time you see your neuro, as most of us are episodic. Individual attacks typically last anything from 20 minutes to three hours (although we are all different here) with 2 - 6 attacks a day for several weeks. Then it will go away - till next time. Remissions can last anything from a few weeks to several years. A few lucky ones never get another attack. But they are VERY few.

Good luck with it all. And keep coming back here for support and friendship if you need it. We all have a connection here that can't be beaten, and it helps just to talk and know that there is someone out there who understands what you go through.

Let us know how you get along.
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Reply #12 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 4:45am
 
Thank you again Maz, this is all very helpful Smiley

Im 27 years old, and I have never experienced anything like this before now. I try to explain my headache to others and they just dont seem to get it, so im glad I have somewhere to go for information. Im not really sure when im going to get an attack as Ive only had one im guessing if this is CH.

All I know is that I looked in the mirror, and one pupil was the size of a pin and the other was normal and I started panicking and drove to the ER. So I'll keep a redbull on hand if that happends again lol. I really do need to get further diagnosis as you said, just have to wait it out untill July 17th for the MRI. But I mean, I did get two good CT scans with the injectable dye and they said no tumors,masses,or aneurysms.

Bah. Anyways my dog keeps hogging the whole bed, and im gonna try and get some shut eye.Thank you again, im all new to this.



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Reply #13 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 5:06am
 
And im not sure if anyone can answer this question.  What are some things an MRI can pick up that a CT with the injectable dye didn't? 
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Reply #14 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 5:12am
 
My 2 cents - but bear in mind I'm not a doctor so my 2 cents isn't worth much. I'm an expert sufferer though. Grin
Your eye symptoms do sound like CH. Do you also get a puffy/droopy eyelid, runny/stuffy nose,tooth ache, tingles and prickling feeling across your cheek bone and upper lip, maybe mild numbness.Many people also get terrific ear ache and a painful neck. All this on the same side as the pain.
These are typical symptoms but not everyone gets them all. But some poor buggers get the lot. Some times I get some of them, and sometimes others. No 2 attacks are the same. But I've never had a constricted pupil - yet.

To answer a previous question, Yes I do remember my first CH. It was the day that changed my life !!!  I woke up in the middle of the night with pain that I didn't think possible, concentrated around my right eye and teeth. My top lip was numb and my eyelid drooped almost closed. I was 57 at the time, and I thought I had had a stroke. I have never felt so scared in my life. Smiley

Try to get the oxygen sorted out. I keep it by my bed and use it when ever I am at home, and save the sumatriptan for when I go out. I never leave the house with out them. Suma and 02 - my 2 new best friends.
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Reply #15 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 5:17am
 
What are some things an MRI can pick up that a CT with the injectable dye didn't? 

Can't answer that, but for me they were looking for tumours, bleeds - anything that doesn't look normal I suppose.

You probably already know your answer from the CT but have the MRI anyway. Better to be safe than sorry.
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Reply #16 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 5:51am
 
I get the tingleness, ear hurts on right side, eye hurts on right side,  have had sharp random pains to the left side also, but those only last for about a second and feels like an icepick. And the eye twitchy thing.

I have the 25 mg sumatriptan pills. Are the shots better? That must have been scary at night, I was smoking a cigarette and thats when I noticed. Maybe I should quit, and that would lesson the severity of a next one if it does come.
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Reply #17 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 5:54am
 
Jamesss wrote on Jun 15th, 2014 at 5:06am:
What are some things an MRI can pick up that a CT with the injectable dye didn't? 


Yes, an MRI is able to resolve much finer detail than a CT scan, so it can identify issues like bleeds, tumours, etc. that are much smaller than can be seen with the CT scan.
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Reply #18 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 6:26am
 
Well that sucks that I gotta wait so long to get that MRI then. I really dont know how to persaude them to push up my appt. Everytime I call the neurologist now they are refering me to mental health at the VA. They told me that through the CT scan that it rules out anything major. The only thing I could really do is go into the VA ER and ask them to do a MRI based on what I think, because my town ER are the ones who said cluster headaches, while the VA neurologist said migraines.
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Reply #19 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 8:18am
 
Hi again,
The pills are next to useless as they take half an hour to get into your system and for many the attack is more or less over by then. There is a nasal spray, which is reported as being better, but I haven't tried it myself. The auto injectables however are a godsend. They will abort the worst ch (for many) in 5-7 minutes.

Some people report after effects and side effects that they just can't cope with, but personally I don't have any of these. Just blessed relief. They sting a bit and I end up with little bruises all over my legs, but compared to a CH that's a walk in the park.

The cost is prohibitive for many people in the USA (luckily here in England the NHS covers it) but the trick is to stock up with a few when you DON'T need them. It will spread the cost and you'll be well armed for when you do.
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Reply #20 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 8:40am
 
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Anyways. Im gonna still try and get some sleep. I think I worry too much. Two CT scans would have ruled out any type of bleeding or tumors. Im probably over thinking it.
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Reply #21 - Jun 15th, 2014 at 7:12pm
 
Jamess wrote, I have the 25 mg sumatriptan pills. Are the shots better?
Yes, as Maz said, but I haven't heard of 25mg Triptans
before, the norm are 50mg Imitrex pills or Imitrex auto
injectors, also ask your doctor about going on a preventative like Verapamil too keep the beast at bay.

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Reply #22 - Jun 16th, 2014 at 6:59am
 
Well just as I started feeling good this thing is back. I was feeling normal today, and I guess something set it off. I took one of the 25mg usp sumatriptan pills around 6am. I dont have anything other than that right now. You cant overdose on these right? Cause im about to take another one lol. I can deal with the pain, just the confusion sucks.
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Reply #23 - Jun 16th, 2014 at 7:07am
 
You CAN overdose on them, but 25mg is a very low dose. I didn't know they were available in anything other than 50mg and 100mg. I take 50mg, but (I know you shouldn't) I have on rare occasions in desperation taken 2.

Some will argue against this, but as the pills take so long to start working, I sometimes take 50mg before bed and it helps to ward off the night time attacks so you can get some sleep.
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Reply #24 - Jun 16th, 2014 at 7:18am
 
Okay, well feeling a little better. I wont take one. So do y'all have months where you dont get these things? Or is it just like a constant thing im going to have to deal with on a daily basis?
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