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Barometric pressure?
Oct 7th, 2014 at 2:06pm
 
So i have heard about barometric pressure being a factor for cluster headaches. What barometric pressure seems to cause cluster headache troubles for people? Also can anyone briefly explain barometric pressure? I found the wikipedia article on atmospheric pressure to be confusing.
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Reply #1 - Oct 7th, 2014 at 4:00pm
 
Welcome!

I used to have barometric pressure headaches but they pretty much were before I had cluster headaches. Now I sometimes get just the 'pressure' feeling on the top of my head and eyes when a storm or change in the weather is coming, not a full blown headache. I've never been able to pinpoint that a change in the barometer has anything to do with my clusters...but that's just me.

Hopefully you've started the ball rolling on a discussion and you'll soon hear from others.

You may want to Google "barometric pressure headache"

Good luck!
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Reply #2 - Oct 7th, 2014 at 4:11pm
 
ACH,

Roughly 5% of cluster headache sufferers (CH'ers) associate a CH triggering effect with rapid changes in atmospheric pressure. 

To put that in perspective, better than 90% of CH'ers have found alcohol triggers their CH attacks.

Barometric (atmospheric) pressure is basically the weight of a column of air that extends from the surface to the top of the atmosphere...  roughly 75 miles above the earth.  That's where spacecraft returning to earth start experiencing atmospheric effects.

The standard atmospheric pressure is frequently given in different units of measure that are equivalent to 760 mm of Hg, 29.92 inches of Hg, or 14.696 pounds per square inch. "Hg" is the chemical abbreviation for mercury.

I'll give you a few interesting factoids regarding cluster headaches.  Better than 95% of CH'ers who have gone to their PCP or neurologist and asked for the lab test for 25(OH)D (vitamin D3 status), have had their results come back indicating a vitamin D3 deficiency.

Better than 85% of CH'ers who start the anti-inflammatory regimen with at least 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3, have experienced a significant reduction in the frequency, severity and duration of their CH...  By significant we're talking a reduction from 3 CH/24 hours down to 3 CH/week.

60% of CH'ers who start this regimen experience a lasting pain free response as long as they stay on this regimen.

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Reply #3 - Oct 7th, 2014 at 8:21pm
 
Thank you Batch and Rumeke, that's exactly what i was looking for!
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Reply #4 - Oct 7th, 2014 at 8:30pm
 
Anon....thanks for the thanks however Batch is our guru. Always listen to what he says and PLEASE try the D3 regimen!
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Reply #5 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 12:01pm
 
Yea im getting tested for my levels of D3 tomorrow, but the past few days ive been taking a multivitamin that has 1000UI of D3, and i also found in my place a bottle of vitamin D3 that has 400UI a capsule. Ive been taking about 3 of those capsules a day, except for the first day in which i took 4, and 2 multivitamins spread through out the day. I know its not the amount that was suggested, my plan was to see what the tests results say and then buy the 10,000 UI one if i was below the 40ng/ML in my blood. Sound like a solid plan? (Ive also been taking 200-400mg of magnesium every day with my multivitamin and 2400-3600mg of fish oil total every day. Sometimes i start to get some slight pressure, but i notice that 300mg of 5-htp seems to help constrict the blood vessels, relieving the pressure, but i doubt a that lose of a dose of 5-htp would help with a stronger attack.

It is also worth noting that since i started taking all these vitamins and stopped taking any of my triggers  such as alcohol the beast tends to remain dormant, except around 10pm i sometimes get what it think others refer to as the shadow. I feel very slight pressure, its kind of annoying because i fear it will get worst, if it doesn't its not all that bad comparatively. I wouldn't be surprised that some more D3 would help, but id rather wait and have proof and then get tested again after so we have more proof that the regiment works.

On a side note i read that magnesium is good for nerves, but i also heard that magnesium dilate the blood vessels, so wouldn't taking magnesium potentially cause a cluster headache to hurt more?
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Reply #6 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 4:50pm
 
Hey ACH,

Thanks for the feedback.  I'm confident you'll be happy you started the anti-inflammatory regimen.  Good questions too.

2000 to 3000 IU/day vitamin D3 is ok and a lot better than none at all.  However, doses this low can take much longer to elevate serum concentrations of 25(OH)D, the first metabolite of vitamin D3. They will also be unable to elevate serum 25(OH)D to therapeutic levels associated with a cessation of CH.  The optimum dose of vitamin D3 is 10,000 IU/day.  See the following chart:

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Magnesium is the most essential vitamin D3 cofactor...  As magnesium is needed to support the enzymatic processes that metabolize vitamin D3 to 25(OH)D3 and on to 1,25(OH)2D3, the active hormonal form of vitamin D3, an insufficient intake of magnesium will degrade vitamin D3's capacity to prevent CH.

Moreover, as vitamin D3 increases calcium mobility and consumes available dietary magnesium, it's very easy to get into a calcium-magnesium imbalance.  You'll know when this happens as muscle cramps are an obvious symptom.

The anti-inflammatory regimen is balanced and the suggested doses are very safe.  With the exception of calcium that's usually available from dietary sources...  omitting any of the other vitamin D3 cofactors is not a good idea...

Take care and please keep us posted.

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Reply #7 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 7:53pm
 
Anon-ClusterHead wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 12:01pm:
...but the past few days ive been taking a multivitamin that has 1000UI of D3, and i also found in place a bottle of D3 that has 400UI a capsule.


Many countries restrict the maximum vitamin D3 dose in a tablet to 1000IU. However many people are importing D3 from the US (iherb.com is popular) so it means that they don't have to swallow multiple D3 pills at once plus it can work out a lot cheaper too.

Of course, do check what the rules are around importing it to where you live.
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Reply #8 - Oct 9th, 2014 at 10:16pm
 
Do i have to take all the vitamins at the same time or can i take D3 after breakfast, and lunch and then take more at dinner but also with all the other vitamins?
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Reply #9 - Oct 10th, 2014 at 2:25am
 
Its best to take the whole regime with your main meal of
the day to get proper absorption.

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Reply #10 - Oct 13th, 2014 at 7:58am
 
This past January (2014)  during the polar vortex, I was rudely reminded
of how debilitating these things can be.  I had not had "major" problems in years (on topomax).  In January the headaches bowled over the topomax......    Several weeks of crap.   Coincidence ???   I don't know.

I googled trying to determine barometric pressure in January, or during polar vortex......   No Luck.  But for the record,  January was shitty for my headaches,  and it was COLD.  I live in Indiana.....


I do vitamin D now, and have been doing good.   Off topomax as well
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Reply #11 - Oct 13th, 2014 at 9:27am
 
This question has regularly appeared for a good many years. I checked the largest medical library in the U.S., going back to 1987 and found only two citations.

One was purely speculative as to causation.

The oldest one reported that O2 was helpful and that sumatriptan gave no relief.

Clearly, for most people O2 isn't going to be a response when flying commercial air.

I can't recall whether there has been any discussion about the possibility of a secondary trigger, that is, badly congested sinuses.

Any experiences which hint that this may be a trigger for some folks where using a strong nasal decongestant has helped?
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Reply #12 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 1:16am
 
I can predict storms 24-36 hrs in advance. If I'm in cycle and low pressure is on it's way it adds to the Beast's strength. For me anyway.
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Reply #13 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:31am
 
I live in a tropical paradise which means air pressure can swing wildly day by day, hour by hour. Never would I say this is actually a trigger, but it certainly plays a part.

The sudden drop is worstest by far. It's a tap on the shoulder to remind me all ain't well with the world.

Then there's what I call 'landing headaches' in aeroplanes and as barometric problems go they're a killer. On descent, usually around the 8,000ft mark, I've often copped the horriblest one-sided headache behind my eye. Easily a Kip8 with a running nose and crying eye, but it's all over once we hit the deck.

Seen many a baby screaming mid-flight and worry the poor little thing has the same problem.

Interestingly I've had the similar feeling during rapid cliff descents and driving quickly down mountains, but never while skydiving.

I truly believe that my 'barometric' headaches are unrelated to CH, but the similarity in onset and pain are terrifying. Happily it's all over in a couple of minutes and all I need is a new pair of underpants.
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Reply #14 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 5:21pm
 
So would living in a location that is basically always summer help? Currently i live in a location that has 4 season.
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Reply #15 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 5:30pm
 
Anon-ClusterHead wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 5:21pm:
So would living in a location that is basically always summer help? Currently i live in a location that has 4 season.


I'm not sure anyone has an answer for that other than from you trying it out for yourself.

There always seems to be a spike of people with episodes around spring / autumn (fall), so it could be that it is the changes that are a trigger, not if it is summer or winter.
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Reply #16 - Oct 22nd, 2014 at 12:12pm
 
Mike NZ wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 5:30pm:
Anon-ClusterHead wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 5:21pm:
So would living in a location that is basically always summer help? Currently i live in a location that has 4 season.


I'm not sure anyone has an answer for that other than from you trying it out for yourself.

There always seems to be a spike of people with episodes around spring / autumn (fall), so it could be that it is the changes that are a trigger, not if it is summer or winter.



Recently ive been wondering if seasonal allergys play a part in the triggers. Do people with CH often have congestion or allergies?
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Reply #17 - Oct 22nd, 2014 at 3:50pm
 
Anon-ClusterHead wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 5:21pm:
So would living in a location that is basically always summer help? Currently i live in a location that has 4 season.


My Headaches started when I was stationed on Guam, a tropical 12 hour day/12 hour night; always summer location .  That sort of disproves the always summer idea.
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Reply #18 - Oct 22nd, 2014 at 5:34pm
 
Even though I'm a smoker I rarely have any congestion apart from when I have a cold, and that's not often.  I don't have any alergies seasonal or otherwise. Get my fair share of CH though.
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Reply #19 - Oct 22nd, 2014 at 10:36pm
 
Anon-ClusterHead wrote on Oct 22nd, 2014 at 12:12pm:
Recently ive been wondering if seasonal allergys play a part in the triggers. Do people with CH often have congestion or allergies?


I get hay fever, however I had that for almost 40 years before I started with CH.

Around 30% of people have some allergy, but only about 0.1% of people get CH, so whilst there may be a relationship, it is far from clear cut, especially with many allergies being more prevalent around spring, however episodic CH seems to peak in spring and fall (autumn), so again it is non-trivial to determine the relationship.
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Reply #20 - Oct 22nd, 2014 at 10:44pm
 
Good to know, i think that my allergy's are one of the direct triggers for the headaches, but its strange the headaches only happen at night (thats how CH works). i think that during certain times of the day/night we are vulnerable to getting a CH, and that's when our triggers can kick in, then if the problem gets worst one can get CH more often. Do most people get 8 attacks a day work there way up to that point or so to speak or do have those people had 8 attacks a day the right away?
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Reply #21 - Oct 23rd, 2014 at 12:10am
 
For 43yrs my CH's were like clockwork. Every Spring and
Fall, twice a day at the same time morning and afternoon.
I could set my clock by it. In CH's their is no rhyme or
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Reply #22 - Jan 20th, 2015 at 12:58pm
 
Late to the party on this topic, but, changes in air pressure are a definite trigger for me. An hour or two after a change in elevation of 1000 ft. will trigger a CH.
I 'feel' every weather change from low to high pressure.
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