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Can Too Much Vitamin D Be Toxic?
Mar 9^th, 2016 at 4:45pm

Extract from an article taken from livescience.com:

"As more Americans take vitamin D supplements, there has been concern that more people could experience toxic effects from very high vitamin D levels. But a new study shows that people rarely experience harmful side effects when taking large amounts of vitamin D.

Researchers analyzed information from more than 20,000 vitamin D blood tests performed on people living in Rochester, Minnesota, and the surrounding area over a 10-year period. They looked to see how many people had "high" vitamin D levels, defined as levels over 50 nanograms per milliliter. (Normal vitamin D levels are between 20 and 50 ng/mL.)

About 8 percent of the people had vitamin D levels over 50 ng/mL, but 0.6 percent had even higher levels, over 80 ng/mL, and 0.2 percent had levels over 100 ng/mL.

The researchers also found that the proportion of people with high vitamin D levels increased considerably during the study period — from 9 per 100,000 people in 2002 to 233 per 100,000 people in 2011. This spike is likely due to an increase in people taking vitamin D supplements, either because a doctor prescribed them or because they decided on their own to take them, the researchers said.

Despite this increase, the people in the study rarely experienced hypercalcemia, or high blood calcium levels that can occur as a result of high vitamin D levels. The condition can cause weakness, vomiting and kidney problems, and is the main side effect of high vitamin D levels.

In fact, there was no link between people's vitamin D levels and their blood calcium levels. [9 Good Sources of Disease-Fighter Vitamin D]

"We found that, even in those with high levels of vitamin D over 50 ng/mL, there was not an increased risk of hypercalcemia, or elevated serum calcium, with increasing levels of vitamin D," study co-author Dr. Thomas D. Thacher, a family medicine expert at Mayo Clinic, said in a statement.

The study identified just four cases over the 10-year period of people who had hypercalcemia associated with high vitamin D levels, and three of those were mild cases in which people did not have symptoms. (In those three cases, the condition was revealed only by the blood test.)

There was just one case of true vitamin D toxicity, in a 51-year-old woman who had vitamin D levels of 364 ng/mL. The woman had taken 50,000 international units (IU) of vitamin D per day for three months, along with calcium supplements, and went to the doctor with weight loss, vomiting and confusion."

The D3 regimen recommended on this site for CH sufferers advises that we take 10000iu D3/day NOT 50000 IU /DAY FOR 3 MONTHS as in the study above

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MDR CH.com Old Timer Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 265 Elysburg Pa. Gender:	Re: Can Too Much Vitamin D Be Toxic? Reply #1 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 5:24pm Well I take 30,000IU and 2 fish oil and calcium supplement for over 3 yrs. and so far no problems plus I never get blood work done. MDR.
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MDR CH.com Old Timer Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 265 Elysburg Pa. Gender:	Re: Can Too Much Vitamin D Be Toxic? Reply #3 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 8:04pm Thanks Thierry, Picking up tomorrow after reading the link thank you. Mark.
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Reply #4 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 10:12pm

Thierry posted,

Researchers analyzed information from more than 20,000 vitamin D blood tests performed on people living in Rochester, Minnesota, and the surrounding area over a 10-year period. They looked to see how many people had "high" vitamin D levels, defined as levels over 50 nanograms per milliliter. (Normal vitamin D levels are between 20 and 50 ng/mL.)

About 8 percent of the people had vitamin D levels over 50 ng/mL, but 0.6 percent had even higher levels, over 80 ng/mL, and 0.2 percent had levels over 100 ng/mL.

The researchers also found that the proportion of people with high vitamin D levels increased considerably during the study period — from 9 per 100,000 people in 2002 to 233 per 100,000 people in 2011. This spike is likely due to an increase in people taking vitamin D supplements, either because a doctor prescribed them or because they decided on their own to take them, the researchers said.

This is just a research/study! On folks vitamin D levels without taking any vitamin D supplements, and some that are because a doctor prescribed them, but no mention about the dosage they are taking.

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Reply #5 - Mar 10^th, 2016 at 2:26am

You're right Hoppy, though I posted the article to highlight that one would have to take a lot more Vit D3 than the amount indicated in the D3 regimen for CHers to reach toxocity levels. + the regimen indicates that we should take a good quality vit K to keep the calcium away from our circulatory system and direct it where it should go, ie: our bones.

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Reply #7 - Mar 10^th, 2016 at 2:45pm

Pharmacotherapy. 2012 Apr;32(4):354-82.

Vitamin D supplementation: what's known, what to do, and what's needed.
Haines ST, Park SK.

Department of Pharmacy Practice and Science, University of Maryland School of Pharmacy, Baltimore, MD 21201, USA. shaines@rx.umaryland.edu

Abstract
The use of vitamin 0 supplements to prevent and treat a wide range of illnesses has increased substantially over the last decade. Epidemiologic evidence links vitamin D deficiency to autoimmune disease, cancer, cardiovascular disease, depression, dementia, infectious diseases, musculoskeletal decline, and more. The Institute of Medicine published an exhaustive report in 2010 that concluded that vitamin D supplementation for indications other than musculoskeletal health was not adequately supported by evidence and that most North Americans receive sufficient vitamin D from their diet and sun exposure. These conclusions are at odds with some clinical practice guidelines; thus, we sought to summarize the best available evidence regarding the benefits of vitamin D supplementation, to examine the potential risks, and to provide practical dosing advice.

The adequacy of vitamin D stores is determined by measuring the 25-hydroxyvitamin D serum concentrations. THE DEMARCATIONS between deficiency (<20 ng/ml), insufficiency (20-30 ng/ml), and optimal (30-80 ng/ml) serum concentrations ARE CONTROVERSIAL. Vitamin D in doses of 800-5000 lU/day improve musculoskeletal health (e.g., reduces the rate of fractures and falls in older adults (aged = 65 yrs). In patients with documented vitamin D deficiency, a cumulative dose of at least 600,000 lU administered over several weeks appears to be necessary to replenish vitamin D stores. Single large doses of 300,000-500,000 IU should be avoided. Vitamin D supplementation should not be offered routinely to other patient populations.

ALTHOUGH RESULTS FROM SOME PROSPECTIVE CLINICAL TRIALS ARE PROMISING, MOST HAVE NOT BEEN ROBUSTLY DESIGNED AND EXECUTED. THE DECISION BY YOUNG, OTHERWISE HEALTHY ADULTS TO TAKE VITAMIN D IN DOSES OF 2000 LU/DAY OR LOWER IS UNLIKELY TO CAUSE HARM.

For patients who are not at risk for developing vitamin D deficiency, sensible sun exposure is an inexpensive and enjoyable way to maintain vitamin D stores.

© 2012 Pharmacotherapy Publications, Inc.
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Health Risks from Excessive Vitamin D

VITAMIN D TOXICITY CAN CAUSE NON-SPECIFIC SYMPTOMS SUCH AS ANOREXIA, WEIGHT LOSS, POLYURIA, AND HEART ARRHYTHMIAS. MORE SERIOUSLY, IT CAN ALSO RAISE BLOOD LEVELS OF CALCIUM WHICH LEADS TO VASCULAR AND TISSUE CALCIFICATION, WITH SUBSEQUENT DAMAGE TO THE HEART, BLOOD VESSELS, AND KIDNEYS [1]. The use of supplements of both calcium (1,000 mg/day) and vitamin D (400 IU) by postmenopausal women was associated with a 17% increase in the risk of kidney stones over 7 years in the Women's Health Initiative [65]. A serum 25(OH)D concentration consistently >500 nmol/L (>200 ng/mL) is considered to be potentially toxic [5].

Excessive sun exposure does not result in vitamin D toxicity because the sustained heat on the skin is thought to photodegrade previtamin D3 and vitamin D3 as it is formed [6]. In addition, thermal activation of previtamin D3 in the skin gives rise to various non-vitamin D forms that limit formation of vitamin D3 itself. Some vitamin D3 is also converted to nonactive forms [1]. Intakes of vitamin D from food that are high enough to cause toxicity are very unlikely. Toxicity is much more likely to occur from high intakes of dietary supplements containing vitamin D.

Long-term intakes above the UL increase the risk of adverse health effects [1] (Table 4). Most reports suggest a toxicity threshold for vitamin D of 10,000 to 40,000 IU/day and serum 25(OH)D levels of 500–600 nmol/L (200–240 ng/mL). While symptoms of toxicity are unlikely at daily intakes below 10,000 IU/day, the FNB pointed to emerging science from national survey data, observational studies, and clinical trials suggesting that even lower vitamin D intakes and serum 25(OH)D levels might have adverse health effects over time. THE FNB CONCLUDED THAT SERUM 25(OH)D LEVELS ABOVE APPROXIMATELY 125–150 NMOL/L (50–60 NG/ML) SHOULD BE AVOIDED, AS EVEN LOWER SERUM LEVELS (APPROXIMATELY 75–120 NMOL/L OR 30–48 NG/ML) ARE ASSOCIATED WITH INCREASES IN ALL-CAUSE MORTALITY, GREATER RISK OF CANCER AT SOME SITES LIKE THE PANCREAS, GREATER RISK OF CARDIOVASCULAR EVENTS, AND MORE FALLS AND FRACTURES AMONG THE ELDERLY. The FNB committee cited research which found that vitamin D intakes of 5,000 IU/day achieved serum 25(OH)D concentrations between 100–150 nmol/L (40–60 ng/mL), but no greater. Applying an uncertainty factor of 20% to this intake value gave a UL of 4,000 IU which the FNB applied to children aged 9 and older, with corresponding lower amounts for younger children.

Table 4: Tolerable Upper Intake Levels (ULs) for Vitamin D [1] Age Male Female Pregnancy Lactation {see at citation source}

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Reply #8 - Mar 10^th, 2016 at 5:00pm

Long-term intakes above the UL increase the risk of adverse health effects [1] (Table 4). Most reports suggest a toxicity threshold for vitamin D of 10,000 to 40,000 IU/day and serum 25(OH)D levels of 500–600 nmol/L (200–240 ng/mL). While symptoms of toxicity are unlikely at daily intakes below 10,000 IU/day, the FNB pointed to emerging science from national survey data, observational studies, and clinical trials suggesting that even lower vitamin D intakes and serum 25(OH)D levels might have adverse health effects over time. THE FNB CONCLUDED THAT SERUM 25(OH)D LEVELS ABOVE APPROXIMATELY 125–150 NMOL/L (50–60 NG/ML) SHOULD BE AVOIDED, AS EVEN LOWER SERUM LEVELS (APPROXIMATELY 75–120 NMOL/L OR 30–48 NG/ML) ARE ASSOCIATED WITH INCREASES IN ALL-CAUSE MORTALITY, GREATER RISK OF CANCER AT SOME SITES LIKE THE PANCREAS, GREATER RISK OF CARDIOVASCULAR EVENTS, AND MORE FALLS AND FRACTURES AMONG THE ELDERLY. The FNB committee cited research which found that vitamin D intakes of 5,000 IU/day achieved serum 25(OH)D concentrations between 100–150 nmol/L (40–60 ng/mL), but no greater. Applying an uncertainty factor of 20% to this intake value gave a UL of 4,000 IU which the FNB applied to children aged 9 and older, with corresponding lower amounts for younger children.

I've taken 5000iu/day of vitamin D together with the other co-factors for the vitamin D regimen over the past 3yrs and my levels are (100–150 nmol/L (40–60 ng/mL) as stated above, and has kept me CH free! After doing battle with the beast for 43yrs.

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Reply #9 - Mar 10^th, 2016 at 11:34pm

Hey Thierry,

Thanks for this lead-in thread. Very timely…

I’ve been conducting a systematic analysis of studies registered on clinicaltrials.gov listing Vitamin D3 (Cholecalciferol) as the intervention since December of last year. The purpose of this analysis is to determine why so few of these studies conclude vitamin D3 results in favorable clinical outcomes and efficacy as a disease modifying therapy (DMT) for a variety of medical conditions.

I extracted data from the clinicaltrials.gov database using the site’s query tools to determine protocol, status, design, dose, dosing interval, duration of dose/exposure, and outcomes for completed registered clinical trials listing vitamin D3 (Cholecalciferol) as the intervention. Studies listing the intervention as vitamin D2 (Ergocalciferol) were excluded from this analysis.

The initial round of queries of the clinicaltrials.gov database determined the population of studies at vitamin D3 doses ranging from 400 IU/day, 1,000 IU/day, 4,000 IU/day, 5,000, IU/day, 10,000 IU/day, 15,000 IU/day, 20,000 IU/day and 40,000 IU/day.

I made additional queries on single oral loading doses of vitamin D3 up to 600.000 IU. Subsequent rounds of queries searched for studies using weekly, fortnight, and monthly bolus dosing. I analyzed selected studies for the same conditions being treated by dose, duration of exposure, outcome measures, and with respect to the guideline rules for individual clinical studies of nutrient effects developed by Dr. Heaney, MD. Additional data used in this analysis were obtained from GrassrootsHealth, Vitamin D Wiki and the Vitamin D Council.

I hope to get this analysis published in a month or two and I’ve already gained the support of two nationally recognized vitamin D3 experts as co-authors.

Here are some of the preliminary results of my analysis:

There have been 760 RCTs, CTs and OS listing vitamin D3, (Cholecalciferol), as the intervention registered in clinicaltrials.gov between 01/01/2000 and 12/07/2015.

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743 of these studies have been registered since January of 2006. 380 of the 760 studies are listed as completed and 60 are listed as having results. 24 of the 740 studies were terminated, 4 were suspended and 18 were withdrawn. Of the 760 registered vitamin D3 studies, 251 (33%) listed vitamin D deficiency (hypovitaminosis D) and 153 (20%) studies listing bone and skeletal as the conditions being treated. That leaves 356 (47%) of the 760 studies investigating non-skeletal medical conditions treated with vitamin D3.

The top ten medical conditions treated with vitamin D3 included: 93 studies for cancer, 71 for osteoporosis, 67 for respiratory disorders, 63 for diabetes, 61 for general infection, 53 for kidney related disorders, 51 for obesity, 36 for autoimmune disorders, 20 for heart related disorders and 16 for hypertension. Of the 760 studies, only 62 (8%) indicated an average daily vitamin D3 dose of 5000 IU or greater.

None of the studies examined met all five of the guideline rules developed by Dr. Heaney for individual clinical studies of nutrient effects and only a handful listed one or more of the vitamin D3 conutrients/co-factors. There were six completed studies using Vitamin D3 as the intervention at doses ≥ 5,000 IU/day and ≤ 40,000 IU/day for Multiple Sclerosis that concluded marked improvements in bio-markers for MS with improved overall clinical outcomes.

My conclusions so far… The majority of RCTs, CTs and OS completed so far have concluded the null hypothesis (it didn’t work), or claimed the results are inconclusive simply because only 62 (8%) of the 760 vitamin D3 studies registered in clinicaltrials.gov used a vitamin D3 dose ≥ 5,000 IU/day and 31 studies listed the vitamin D3 dose ≥ 50,000 IU/week. In simple terms only 93 (12%) of the 760 vitamin D3 studies listed doses of vitamin D3 and dosing intervals capable of generating therapeutic serum concentrations of both cholecalciferol and 25(OH)D. Moreover, of these 93 studies, only 44 (5.7%) of them have been completed since 2000.

To make matters worse, only a handful of these 44 studies meet the gold standard for RCTs, (randomized, blinded, and placebo controlled). Accordingly, the medical evidence mafia relegates the results of the remaining successful vitamin D3 studies as Level III or IV in medical evidence to further diminish their value to physicians.

In addition, there is also evidence of a clear and present bias against treating a wide variety of medical conditions with vitamin D3 at therapeutic doses, i.e., ≥ 5,000 IU/day or ≥ 50,000 IU/week. This bias is widespread frequently taking the form of fear mongering articles warning against the “dangers” of taking pharmacological doses of vitamin D3.

This bias also takes the form of opposition research as evidenced by the number of studies concluding U-shaped, J-shaped and reverse J-shaped mortality curves associated with increasing doses of vitamin D3 and resulting in higher 25(OH)D serum concentrations.

It shouldn’t come as a surprise that Big Pharma is behind most of the fear mongering articles and opposition research in one way or another… All you need to do is follow the money… Big Pharma has $Billions at risk at the bottom line if the truth were to come out in a series of gold standard RCTs that an average of 70 cents per day of vitamin D3 is just as effective and in many cases more so, in treating disorders like multiple sclerosis without adverse side effects than patented pharmaceuticals like Extavia (interferon beta-1b), Gilenya (Fingolimod), or Copaxone (Glatiramer acetate) costing $4400 to $5400 for a months worth of treatments.

As an example of bias… an author of one of these opposition research studies who cited a “Reverse J-Shaped mortality curve” due to higher doses of vitamin D3 had a clear conflict of interest being employed by several large Pharmaceutical firms while writing the study results. This is all very disconcerting when you consider the fact that the FDA Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS), has yet to report a single death attributed to vitamin D3.

Another classic example of biased reporting and fear mongering can be found on the Wikipedia web page for vitamin D3. Sadly, it appears Big Pharma has taken control of this website…

The operable Wikipedia web page section at the following link concludes:

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“To Prevent Disease…”

Supplements are not recommended for prevention of cancer as any effects of cholecalciferol are very small. Although significant correlations exist between low levels of blood serum cholecalciferol and higher rates of various cancers, multiple sclerosis, tuberculosis, heart disease, and diabetes, the consensus is that supplementing levels is not beneficial. “

This statement is immediately juxtaposed by:

“Use as rodenticide

Rodents are somewhat more susceptible to high doses than other species, and cholecalciferol has been used in poison bait for the control of these pests. It has been claimed that the compound is less toxic to non-target species. However, in practice it has been found that use of cholecalciferol in rodenticides represents a significant hazard to other animals, such as dogs and cats.”

How about that? Tell us vitamin D3 is no good in treating various cancers, multiple sclerosis, tuberculosis, heart disease, and diabetes… then tell us it can be used as a rat poison… WTF Over! What kind of message is that?

While we’re on this topic, let’s run down the rodenticide role of vitamin D3…

The LD50 for oral vitamin D3 for rats, (R. rattus), ( LD50 = the dose of vitamin D3 at which 50% of the rats die) was found to be 42 mg/kg for males and 619 mg/kg for female rats.

The anti-inflammatory regimen we take to prevent our CH calls for an average of 10,000 IU/day and a resulting serum 25(OH)D response around 80 ng/mL. As 10,000 IU of vitamin D3 equals 250 µg, this works out to 250 µg/day. That makes the average dose expressed in kg/day for a Cher weighing between 70 and 100 kg, between 2.5 to 3.5 µg/kg/day. 1 mg = 1000 µg, so 42 mg = 42,000 µg.

Accordingly if we use the male rat LD50 of oral vitamin D3 of 42 mg/kg, we would need to increase our oral vitamin D3 intake/kg/day by a factor of 12,000 to 16,800 or a maximum of 1,680,000 IU/kg which works out to 168,000,000 IU of vitamin D3 per day for a CH’er weighing 100 kg to reach the male rat LD50 dose.

Let me put that in a visual perspective. A 300-count bottle of Nature’s Bounty 5,000 IU liquid softgel capsules totals 1,500,000 IU of vitamin D3. Accordingly, we would need to consume 112 bottles of this brand of vitamin D3 all in one sitting… to reach the male rat LD50…

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So much for the LD50 of vitamin D3 as a toxin... Remember, vitamin D3 intoxication or toxicity refers to a condition where too much of the hormonal form of vitamin D3 in the blood stream pulls too much calcium from the gut and pushes it into the bloodstream causing serum calcium concentrations to exceed it's normal reference range.

Remember the movie Cool Hand Luke and "I can eat 50 eggs?" My guess is if anyone is dumb enough to try this stunt as a suicide method, would suffer severe abdominal pain from GI tract blockage caused by all the gelatin in the gel coats long before reaching the LD50 dose of vitamin D3.

Getting back to the title of this thread “Can Too Much Vitamin D Be Toxic?” The short answer is yes… but you need to define “Too Much” and you also need to define the treatment protocol.

For example, Dr. Cicero Coimbra, MD, PhD, Associate Professor, Department of Neurology and Neurosurgery, Federal University of Sao Paulo, Brazil, has been treating multiple sclerosis (MS) patients since 2011 with a vitamin D3 protocol calling for 1000 IU of vitamin D3 per kg of body weight per day… He also treats his MS patients with vitamin B2... He now has several thousand MS patients on this treatment protocol.

For a sleek rascal like me weighing up to 100 kg… at times… following Dr. Coimbra's protocol would have me taking 100,000 IU/day of vitamin D3. That’s ten times more vitamin D3 than suggested as a CH preventative.

What’s important about Dr. Coimbra’s MS treatment protocol is the complete avoidance of food types high in calcium and no calcium supplements. MS patients on this protocol also take vitamin B2 and drink 2.5 liters of water a day to help flush any calcium buildup from their kidneys.

In many cases Dr. Coimbra's MS patients cannot monitor their actual 25(OH)D serum concentration because the assay methods used only go up to a maximum of 150 ng/mL or 200 ng/mL. What Dr. Coimbra’s MS patients monitor closely is their serum calcium, serum PTH and serum phosphorus.

I’ve shared results of the anti-inflammatory regimen treatment protocol to prevent CH with Dr. Coimbra, and he’s been kind enough to share some insights on his MS treatment protocol with me. He indicated he started his treatment of MS patients in 2002 with a similar protocol using 10,000 IU/day of vitamin D3. It was effective for a few of his MS patients in reducing the number of relapses, but it didn’t result in an MS remission so he started titrating their vitamin D3 doses up and finally settled on 1000 IU of vitamin D3 per kg of body weight per day around 2011 to 2012.

I’ve also had the opportunity to exchange email with one of Dr. Coimbra’s MS patients. She lives in the US and travels to Sao Paulo, Brazil once a year for follow-up meetings and lab tests with Dr. Coimbra. She takes 50,000 IU/day vitamin D3 and indicated it took a few months for Dr. Coimbra’s protocol to take effect, but she is now free of MS symptoms and has been in complete remission since then. The key words she used were, “I live a very normal life free of any MS symptoms…” and “Before meeting Dr. Coimbra and starting his protocol, my future with MS was very bleak.”

You can find more information on Dr. Coimbra’s MS protocol and physicians trained by Dr. Coimbra in the use of this protocol at the following links:

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Before I go any further, DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT, ATTEMPT THIS PROTOCOL WITHOUT DIRECT SUPERVISION BY DR. COIMBRA OR A PHYSICIAN TRAINED BY HIM!

My rationale for bringing up Dr. Coimbra’s MS treatment protocol is simple… If any of you think 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3 is too high a dose or toxic… read through the above links then think again…

Take care,

V/R, Batch

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Reply #10 - Mar 11^th, 2016 at 5:51pm

Swisse have just brought out vitamin K2 (menaquinone 7) 45mcg + D3 1000iu. So, I take 5000iu vitamin D/day and 200mcg K2/day, as suggested in the vitamin D regimen, which fits perfectly with a 20% loss of vitamin D when absorbed (4000iu), but what about those taking 10000iu vitamin D/day, wouldn't they need to take 400mcg/day of K2 to keep the calcium away from their circulatory system. Thoughts.

Cheers Hoppy

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Reply #11 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 1:16am

Hi Batch,
Thank you for making VERY clear that taking the amounts of D3 in the regimen are VERY VERY far from being toxic. Not only that, but your clear and precise explanation indicates that a D3 regimen can be used to treat not only our dreaded CH, but is also used by doctors for safely treating a range of other ailments.
It is also reassuring to know that taking super K as part of the regimen keeps the calcium from depositing in our veins/arteries or our kidneys or any other organ but instead goes to our bones where it s useful.
All the best Batch

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Reply #12 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 6:40am

Hello to all,

I become more and more convinced that D3 in the quantities Batch recommends is beneficial for a number of ailments and this comes from personal experience.

My CH turned chronic a little over 3 years ago after years of being episodic. I struggled to work and even live a normal life, for 2 years until I started the D3 Regimen early last year. I cannot describe the improvement it has made, although I'm not 100% PF, I do get 90% success. I HAVE TAKEN NO OTHER MEDS IN THAT TIME.

My wife had knee surgery in March '15 and I started her on D3 at that time, with advice from Batch. Her health has not been great for a few years with repeated surgery and severe Anaemia, so the expectation for her speed of recovery following surgery was, understandably, not high. The Orthopaedic Surgeon was amazed at how quickly she healed and was back walking. SHE TOOK NO MEDS DURING THAT TIME.

Last year my Brother was diagnosed with cancer of the liver and subsequently had half his liver removed with the tumour. Again, I started him on D3, with advice from Batch and again, his Oncologist is delighted with his progress and his cancer markers during his subsequent Chemotherapy sessions are way down. Other than pain killers and the obvious Chemo he has been taking NO OTHER MEDS DURING THAT TIME.

Back to me. Last July I was diagnosed with COPD (Emphysema and Pulmonary Fibrosis), which, I was told was at an early stage and I should get 10/12 more years in the game. I was told that both conditions are progressive without a cure at present, but the Consultant hoped to keep me off Steriods for another year or so.

My lung function was measured at 68% at that time. So, I gave up cigs and upped my D3 to 20,000 iu/day for a few months.

Went for my lung function test again last week and the Consultant could not believe the result. Measuring at 83% my score is back within the normal range for my age group. He did rant a bit about how he has not seen this before and he is off to to research the D3 in detail for other patients and he does not want to see me again until next year. NO OTHER MEDS TAKEN IN THAT TIME.

OK, so that's all a bit long winded and I'm sorry for that, but it's the only way to tell the story.

It may not be for everyone and you have to make your own minds up on the benefits of D3.

I'm convinced.

Best to all,

Peter.

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Batch CH.com Alumnus Offline Control The Beast With O2 & D3 You Must Posts: 3708 Bremerton, WA Gender:	Re: Can Too Much Vitamin D Be Toxic? Reply #13 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:50pm Peter, Thank you for the thoughtful post. I'm curious how many other members of this forum taking the anti-inflammatory regimen to prevent their CH have similar stories about the health benefits of vitamin D3 beyond preventing CH... Take care and thanks again, V/R, Batch
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Stevo CH.com Newbie Offline I Love CH.com! Posts: 14	Re: Can Too Much Vitamin D Be Toxic? Reply #14 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 8:53am Hey Peter, Great news about your Lung score, and well done for keeping off the cigs
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Peter510 CH.com Alumnus Offline Don't give out... But don't give in. Posts: 966 Wexford. Ireland Gender:	Re: Can Too Much Vitamin D Be Toxic? Reply #15 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 9:15am Hey Steve, Thanks. How are you getting on ? Are you PF on the D3 ? Are you still with the same Nero ? Best regards, Peter.
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Reply #16 - Mar 14^th, 2016 at 7:59am

Hi Peter,

I'm doing great on the D3 - sailed through winter with just a few shadows now and again. Night and day from last year.

I 'off-hired' the neuro last summer after speaking with you and another 150Eur session thrown down the pan.

As an aside to the theme of D3 additional benefits, I was commenting only recently the lack of cold and flu I have suffered in the last 12 months whilst on the D3; I normally suffer 2-3 colds during winter but this year not a sniffle!

All the best Steve

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Peter510 CH.com Alumnus Offline Don't give out... But don't give in. Posts: 966 Wexford. Ireland Gender:	Re: Can Too Much Vitamin D Be Toxic? Reply #17 - Mar 14^th, 2016 at 2:17pm Steve, Good news on the CH's, the cold & flu and the Neuro. It's great to hear news like that. Keep the faith, Peter
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