Where have all the newbies gone,
     Long time passing.
Where have all the newbies gone,
     Long time ago.
Where have all the newbies gone,
     Gone to facebook, every one.
When will we ever learn?
     When will we ever learn.

Where have all the oldsters gone,
     Long time passing.
Never posting, not a one,
     Long time ago.
Where is all that knowledge now?
     It can’t be passed on, anyhow.
When will we ever learn?
    When will we ever learn.

Where have all good manners gone,
     Long time passing.
We were here to help others along,
     Long time ago.
Newbies gone, the oldsters gone,
     Knowledge gone, so sad, so wrong,
When will we ever learn?
     Why did we never learn.

The times, they are a changin'

When old timers don't know the difference between abort and bust , yet insist on giving advice we've become irrelevant.

                 Potter

Excellent Brian.

Peter.

it's a weird thing Bri....as an old suffuring ClusterHead  cat on CH.com as you are... I got the 20 + yr old bumper sticker and T shirt...BUTT most importantly...I am CH free....yeeeeeees.... I do always keep 2 tanks of o2 with me ....the most up to date mask nearby .cause every year or so... That m*th*rf**k*r slips in ....every now and fuckin then...only a couple times in every couple years now...butt he never gets past a KIP 3...heaven...and is gone in a couple days....heaven....I sure as fuck know a Cluster ...unlike ANYTHING else....My ...what we used to call "precursors" were always the same...swelling of the roof of my mouth...a weird smell in one of my nostrils....( i haven't had a CH in years now...it freaks me out now to even imagine how it felt)  ....Ok Mushrooms cured my CH...bottom line. Clusterbusters saved my life. Hi Mr Wold and Quicksilver...and The dark side of The Moon...just a shout out in the winter of CH....I hope people lose interest in yer site DJ...cause you lead some us to peace....fuck that...you just held a pain party...and some of us are still dancing fuckhead

Brian my old friend
would it be possible to copy your poem onto the OUCH UK website forum as this has happened there too
zany

Thanks Mate
they do do some great work in support but seem to be getting very insular in many ways
They have even had the demand valve approved for use in the treatment of CH!
they just need a friendly kick in the nads once in a while
I have a big boot
zany

Good thread. I know I'm not here as often as I ought be anymore. I do spend a lot of time on FB, and I send people over here all the time for answers.

Barbara, you are spot on. I remember those early days only too well. Some of the things we tried!

Zany, use your boot well! Insular is apt and a good word indeed for what I see going on over there. I've gotten to where I hardly even try to advise someone from your side of the pond, for I end up getting squelched by people who should know better, but are so subservient to the powers that be. It's amazing, though, the ones who listen, get PF, and then become pariahs in their very own organization. C'est la vie.

I go through the archives every once in a while seeing names of people I've not heard from in a long time, and I hope it is because they actually got relief and just don't bother coming back, but so often i have to quit reading. DJ has done a lousy job preserving that stuff, because after only a few pages the text gets to where it's unreadable. It keeps getting blurry. If I keep reading any longer I'm at risk of having to turn in my man card.

In a lot of ways, I miss the old days before FB and all of the other social media crap that has gotten us all so "connected" online. We've lost the connectedness, the NEED to get together. I know I talk about it a lot, but going to the first DavCon, meeting people for 45 minutes, and then having to turn around and drive the three hours back home. That six hours of driving that day was SO worth it. Totally lifechanging. Miss that real connectedness.

Gotta go and wipe the water spots off of my man-card. Must be raining in here, or something.

Jerry