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Effect of high altitude on efficacy of Sumatriptan
Jul 25th, 2017 at 11:04am
 
Hi everyone,

I'm new to this website and a first time poster, so first let me apologise if I have posted this in the wrong section. Also, sorry in advance for the long post, but I'm looking for any help I can get.

A bit of background for context

32 year old male, CH sufferer for 6-7 years. Originally from Edmonton, Canada (go Oilers!), but have lived in Brisbane, Australia (go Broncos!) for the last 5 years.

Historically, my cycles have been pretty consistent: 2-3 hits per 24 hours, 30-45 minutes in duration, cycles last anywhere from 2-4 weeks. Remission periods have typically been between 10-12 months.

It was only about 2.5 years ago that I finally got a PCP to agree with my CH self-diagnosis and was able to get a referral to a neurologist who specialises in headaches. I was given 50mg Sumatriptan tablets as an abortive. If I took 2 of the 50mg tablets as soon as I felt a hit coming, it was usually pretty successful in aborting the hit within 15-20 minutes.

I chose to stay away from Verapamil and Prednisone because my cycles weren't very long and I was in a period of remission when I saw the neurologist (rookie error), so the side effects of those meds didn't seem worth the risk to me.

Current situation

I have been in another cycle for the last 5 days. Before this cycle started, it had been my longest remission period of over 1.5 years, so I'm sure you can all understand how mentally and emotionally devastating it was when this cycle started after so long.

I have still been getting 2-3 hits per day, but they are longer in duration, anywhere between 45-120 minutes. The biggest change, however, is that the Sumatriptan tablets seem to be hit-and-miss, at best, in terms of aborting the hits. Yesterday evening, for example, I took two 50mg Sumatriptan tablets at the very first sign of a hit, and felt no relief whatsoever until almost an hour later. Whether that was from the tablets taking longer to kick in, or the hit just running its natural course, I'm not sure.

The other thing to note is that I am currently 7 months into a year-long trip through South America. I have some Sumatriptan tablets with me, but I suspect that the likelihood of getting other meds (injections, nasal spray, etc.) is pretty low, given that I don't speak fluent Spanish, and that I'm often in locations where even finding a doctor or pharmacist is a bit of a stretch.

Some questions

Is it possible that high altitude is impacting the efficacy of the Sumatriptan tablets, or increasing the severity and duration of the hits?
  • I'm currently in Bolivia, much of which is at fairly high altitudes (currently at 2,800m / 9,200ft). Over the next couple months, I'll be continuing to travel across Bolivia and Peru, getting to elevations as high as 5,000m / 16,000ft above sea level.


Would taking a D3 supplement, but not the whole regimen, result in any observable improvement?
  • I had never heard of the Vitamin D3 regimen before finding this site and I'm really intrigued. I fully plan to start the regimen when I get back to Australia, but unfortunately, that won't be until January 2018. For the reasons noted above and various others, starting the full regimen while I'm still on the road in South America might not be realistic, and I also want to get a lab to run my serum 25(OH)D levels. At a minimum, I should be able to find some over-the-counter Vitamin D supplements, so if I started taking those alone, would it have any effect?


Caffeine - trigger or abortive?
  • I've seen a lot of conflicting information about caffeine a trigger for CH, but also being used as an abortive (like in the case of caffeine/taurine energy drinks). Can anyone clarify this? I love coffee, but I'm a bit lost as to whether I should be avoiding it when I'm in a cycle. And are energy drinks actually effective as an abortive? Besides more Sumatriptan tablets, that might be the only other thing I can reliably get my hands on. Any brands/kinds that work reliably in anyone's experience?


If you've made it this far, thanks for your patience. And if you have any answers, advice or thoughts on the above, thanks in advance for those as well.

This looks like an incredible community and wealth of resources. I'm really glad to have found it.  Smiley
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Re: Effect of high altitude on efficacy of Sumatriptan
Reply #1 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 9:37pm
 
G'day Mbuttz,

Welcome to CH.com.  You've come to the right place.  We know what you're going through and the good news is it doesn't need to by that way...

I'd say "Howzit" but you've already explained your situation with CH...

As the guy who's been CH pain free since I developed and started taking the anti-inflammatory regimen with vitamin D3 in October of 2010, I'd suggest you take the entire regimen. 

That said, being in South American can be a problem for some, but I've found most Chemists/pharmacists there should be able to help you source 5,000 IU vitamin D3 softgels, the 400 mg tablets of magnesium and a good first-generation antihistamine like Diphenhydramine HCL. 

I spent a good bit of time working for OAS along the Amazon, from Iquitos, Peru through the tri-border area of Peru, Colombia and Brazil, then down to Manaus, Brazil.  My Spanish is passable so I did alright ordering pharmaceuticals for my team when needed in Peru and Colombia, but I needed help in Brazil as I'm clueless when it comes to Portuguese...

You'll need to take at least 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3 and 400 mg/day magnesium as an absolute minimum... 

You can download a copy of the latest CH preventative treatment protocol at the following link.

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Be sure to share a copy with your PCP when you ask for the lab test of your 25(OH)D, the first metabolite of vitamin D3 when you get back to Australia.  It's a safe bet, fair dinkum, with active CH, you're vitamin D3 deficient and that deficiency is contributing to the frequency, severity and duration of your CH. 

If you start this regimen now while on travel and follow the treatment protocol, your 25(OH)D should be up around 80 ng/mL (200 nmol/L) by the time you get back to Australia.  The odds are also in your favor that you'll be CH pain free in 10 days to two weeks after starting the vitamin D3.

On a related note, if triptans have become hit and miss as an abortive it's very possible you're likely suffering from an allergic reaction... These can be subclinical, i.e., no outward or obvious symptoms, but when they hit, most CH preventatives and abortives become less effective... if they work at all.  The simple course of action here is to take a first-generation antihistamine like Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) in some countries...  Chemists in South America should be able to find you a first-generation antihistamine...  The treatment protocol explains all this and more.

Take care,

V/R, Batch
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Reply #2 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 4:26pm
 
Batch,

Thank you so much for the response and suggestions. This information really is invaluable.

I'll do my best to source some D3 softgels and magnesium while I'm still on the road and see what kind of results come from that.

Interesting point regarding potential allergies impacting the efficacy of Sumatriptan. I'll get my hands on some Benadryl or something similar and hopefully that will result in the Sumatriptan being effective again, as it's the only abortive I have with me right now.

Hopefully I can report back soon with good news.
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Re: Effect of high altitude on efficacy of Sumatriptan
Reply #3 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 10:41pm
 
Welcome aboard, mate, and many of us have found over time it's not the altitude is the problem, but changing altitude.

For me it's the going down, which I try to do more slowly, while others say the going up can be hell.

(Dunno why but I never had a problem while skydiving.)

Either way, it's my first shout when you're here back in Oz.

Safe travels,

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Re: Effect of high altitude on efficacy of Sumatriptan
Reply #4 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 5:08pm
 
Cheers for the welcome, Brian.

That's a good point about the changing altitude. When I'm in a cycle, getting on a plane is a sure-fire way to go through hell.

Thankfully, I'll be moving to lower altitudes gradually over the next month or two, so fingers crossed it doesn't prolong this particular cycle too much.

Can't wait to be back at sea level in Oz!!  Smiley
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