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Cluster then pain for 2 yrs
Apr 28th, 2018 at 12:58pm
 
Hey everyone,

First time posting here.

I have been dealing with an undiagnosed intractable head pain for 2 years now that due to some recent events has me leaning towards cluster headaches and I want to see if anyone can offer some insight.

In January 2016, I started to get the absolute worst headaches I have ever had in my life. Always on the right side, around my temple and eye and they would last for somewhere between 30 mins to an hour. I didn't pay it any mind till they started to get more frequent, every 3 days, then every day.
The strangest thing about it though was that what started to happen was between the bad headaches there was always a lingering of pain between that would never go away.

I'm going to cut through the entire insane saga and just say what eventually happened was the bad daily headaches stopped but the constant pain lingered. The pain would just sit on the right side of my head, never fully disappearing. It could blow up into a full on headache that could last for hours, or just sit there as a shadow. It could feel like a pressure or fullness in my ear or a weight over my eyelid. I spent the 2 years seeing neurologists, ENTs, Pain Doctors, etc. Trying different medications with no relief and no real diagnosis.

I never would have contributed the initial cause to a cluster period except now, 2 years later, in April of 2018, I'm experiencing the same exact thing that set the whole thing off and I can't believe I didn't realize that it's a cluster period! They occur at the same time, wake me up from sleep, attack my eye and brow etc.

What I am wondering is has anyone heard of a first cluster period setting off something else like a constant pain or triggering another pain condition, or is this possibly a chronic cluster headache diagnosis (the lingering pain did mimic the cluster in some ways, but not in intensity). This time around, I do have triptans that can cut the intensity of the attacks in half, but they are still absolute torture, and i can't take them that often.

Looking for any insight. Thanks
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Re: Cluster then pain for 2 yrs
Reply #1 - Apr 28th, 2018 at 3:42pm
 
Hi and welcome

Whilst there are elements of what you describe as being like CH, there are some which are not. But it isn't uncommon for people to take weeks / months / longer for the full classical CH symptoms to emerge. It is also possible for you to have more than one headache type (I and others have this fun).

Family doctors, even most neurologists simply don't have the skills or the training to diagnose complex headache types, which is why we really strongly recommend that people see a headache specialist to get an accurate diagnosis. This matches your experience of seeing many doctors but getting no real progress.

This is something that we've been through and that diagnosis then opens up treatments which can often be specific to the headache type.

What will help with the diagnosis is a headache diary, but try to summarize this for when you see the specialist so you don't spend half your appointment going through it, so instead you can concentrate on treatment and moving forward.

It might also help if you can get someone to video you having one of these headaches as this can be a useful tool for diagnosis.

Keep us updated and we can help with suggestions along the way.
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Reply #2 - Apr 28th, 2018 at 4:15pm
 
Hey RedHiller,

You've come to the right place and sorry you're having a rough time.  We don't diagnose here at CH.com.  We leave that to neurologists and headache specialists who are able to do a differential diagnosis for cluster headache (CH) by eliminating more serious conditions that may mimic CH. They usually do this with an MRI or CT Scan to rule out brain abnormalities that are capable of causing headache pain. 

Accordingly, it's best for you to see a neurologist specializing in primary headaches or a headache specialist and occasionally an ophthalmologist.  Ophthalmologists are trained to recognize headache pain conditions involving the eyes.  I was initially diagnosed by a Navy ophthalmologist who passed me to a neurologist for a CT Scan and confirming diagnosis of CH.

If you'll tell us the nearest big city where you live, one of our members may be able to suggest a neurologist or headache center near you. Once you've been properly diagnosed, you'll receive all kinds of helpful suggestions from members here at CH.com

That said, the symptoms you described appear to fit.  Cluster headaches have a hypothalamic rhythmicity, i.e., a fancy term for body clock functions as CH tend to occur at the same times day and night and for episodic CHers, their cycles tend to start at the same time each year and run for 6 to 8 weeks.  Once sensitized by a few CH attacks, the trigeminovascular system tends to signal pain at various levels in between attacks.  Cutaneous allodynia (pain at the slightest touch of face and or scalp) is also a common symptom of the cluster headache syndrome.

Take care and please keep us posted.

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Reply #3 - Apr 28th, 2018 at 5:04pm
 
Ok ok,

I didn't want to get into specific details in the initial post.

I have seen SEVERAL headache specialist. All over the country in fact. I've even been the world famous Mayo Clinic (which was pointless). I have even had the incidental finding of a pituitary adenoma removed just incase it was what was causing the pain.

I have been on indomethacin, gabapentin, notryptalin, topomax and too many medications to name.

I have had MRI's, MRA's, CT's and MRI's with special Protocols to check on vessel compression.

I have done the whole supplement thing, acupuncture etc.

When my pain began in January 2016, the headaches were one sides, hit like clockwork, most painful headaches I ever had, caused a feeling of nasal congestion, were centered around my eye and slowly built up in frequency.

I surmise these were cluster headaches. I will find a doctor to diagnose me. It is this continuous "shadow" (a term I know you guys use) pain that came from it that I have had for two years that I am trying to figure out.

I don't think I, or any doctor I told my story to, would have been able to focus on a CH diagnosis, because it wasn't until now, having this second cluster period, for me to realize that is what the initial pain period (jan 2016) was.

What I am wondering is, while I wait to find another specialist who I can talk to about this diagnosis, has any ever heard of a first cluster period triggering some kind of constant pain, even after the initial cluster period ends? Almost like a continuous "shadow". I would still have big pain spikes, but they never really reached the level of the initial CH period, but sharp pain or pressure in and around my ear, eye, temple and brow.

Not asking for a diagnosis, just any insight.
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Reply #4 - Apr 28th, 2018 at 6:20pm
 
I know that in between individual headaches I'd always have that constant, dull pain in the same area as though it was bruised  (maybe it was).

Given that my cluster cycles commonly went out with such a helluva bang this  'bruising'  would often persist for months afterwards.

Never enough to complain about but a real pain in the  [head].
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Reply #5 - Apr 28th, 2018 at 6:38pm
 
I think that is almost how I would think of it. Like a bruising, but worse. More like it set off a trauma.

And within that trauma, the way my head handles pain sensations is just entirely different now. It's as if the first cluster period hit so hard it just fundamentally changed how this side of my head processes pain.

I know from scans and tests that there is nothing physically wrong with my brain. I have yet to find a medication that touches my pain, but it took this second cluster period for me to realize what the initial onset was. I'm really in shock I didn't realize it before.

Also, don't know if anyone has any experience with this, but I quit smoking about a month before I got my first cluster period (after smoking for a decade). I feel like this may have something to do with the triggering.
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Reply #6 - Apr 29th, 2018 at 12:36am
 
The standard diagnostic criteria for a CH diagnosis can be found at - Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register.

At least five attacks fulfilling criteria B-D
A)Severe or very severe unilateral orbital, supraorbital and/or temporal pain lasting 15-180 minutes (when untreated)1
B)Either or both of the following:
at least one of the following symptoms or signs, ipsilateral to the headache:
  – conjunctival injection and/or lacrimation
  – nasal congestion and/or rhinorrhoea
  – eyelid oedema
  – forehead and facial sweating
  – miosis and/or ptosis
C)a sense of restlessness or agitation
D)Occurring with a frequency between one every other day and 8 per day0
E)Not better accounted for by another ICHD-3 diagnosis.

Ticking off A-D isn't too hard, but it is E that is the really tough one as it involves ruling out every other possible cause.

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This one sounds similar, but indomethacin should have ruled it out.

Look through the IHS site. I'd be tempted to build up a spreadsheet of options you can rule in / out based on your symptoms, but don't rule out the possibility of you having more than one headache type active. Hopefully this will cut the list down to a manageable size. Then this could be used to talk to the next person you see?

With my CH, before I was diagnosed and then before I got effective abortives, so I was faced with riding out a 45-75 minute CH, I remember my head just hurting afterwards as it felt bruised and abused. Getting the ability to abort with O2 / sumatriptan injections really helped with that.

Another thought, look at the IHS website and see just how many headache types there are. Maybe you've got something new, which might explain why all the headache specialists haven't got a diagnosis yet?

Quitting smoking isn't likely to impact CH directly, other than it can help avoid some medical conditions that mean you can't use triptans. But it is a healthier choice anyway.

For medications, did this include strong opiate medications? So not just codeine, but stronger ones?
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Reply #7 - May 12th, 2018 at 9:04am
 
Although not as long term as you, I am suffering from something very similar. I have cluster headaches that are followed by daily persistent headaches, low grade but in the same area and of the same "feel" almost like a residue from being hit in the head a few hundred times It was this pain that caused my neuro to first try me on indomethacin to see if I had HC, but that did not work.
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