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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #25 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 1:00pm » |
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War is hell no matter where the collateral damage occurs. Ireland, US, Afgan, Iraq, Kosavo, Congo.....does not matter where or why it is still hell.
We all have are opinions regarding this issue but that does not mean we need to go to war against one another does it?
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Re: Not good (War Related)
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Quite a cold, callous and eye opening remark Ree. Implies that one should only care for those one knows. And there was me thinking you were compassionate - God help us if everyone had that selfish attitude.
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #27 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 1:05pm » |
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Ah the frustration of it all. Back in my salad days as a young Marine, a guy in my fire team had a slogan on the back of his flak jacket. "What if they gave a war and nobody came".
Never happen, oh well.
In the mean time DUCK SUCKER!
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #28 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 1:41pm » |
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What is your point? Is to enlighten all of the unfairness of this world?
If so, thanks for the scoop.
Now I think I will go kill myself.
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #29 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 1:52pm » |
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Ree has made some the best points ever in her threads.
We do shed tears for ones we don't know. There were many tears shed on 9/11 for people none of us knew. But did the Afghans or Iraqis shed tears for the people who were killed, the children left as orphans, the wives left as widows? No, they cheered! Don't expect people whose family members are on the frontlines of this war to be sympathetic. They live in fear everyday that their loved ones my be killed because of this.
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #30 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 2:05pm » |
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Stop harassing these nice ladies. They have enough worries without you sticking dead kids in thier faces. Just Stop!
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #31 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 3:00pm » |
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #32 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 3:22pm » |
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 .....Life's too short if we have to fight let it be for a cure to CH's any war is a tragedy any loss of a life brings tears somewhere for someone.
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #33 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 4:40pm » |
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on Dec 8th, 2003, 12:37pm, Ree wrote:
6)Your opinions do not matter to me, you have not walked in my shoes. How you can shead tears for children you do not know and begrudge a person that has lived the nightmare.
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THIS IS WHAT I SAID KEN... FOR YOU TO MISQUOTE ME...
that is reaching to the bottom of the septic system dont you think sir??? Its just like a guy like you to go for the jugular vein. If anyone else said that I didnt have any compassion or to quote you "Quite a cold, callous and eye opening remark Ree. Implies that one should only care for those one knows. And there was me thinking you were compassionate - God help us if everyone had that selfish attitude."
YOU DO NOT KNOW ME SIR, NOR WOULD YOU TAKE THIS STAND. I AM THE MOST GIVING WOMAN YOU WOULD EVER MEET. TO GIVE THE TWO PERSONS THAT ARE SO CHERISHED IN THIS WORLD, TO THE WORLD TO SHARE IN THIS FIGHT FOR TERROR~ MY OWN SONS... AS I SAID BEFORE... WHAT HAVE YOU DONE IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM OR AGAINST TERRORISM... ?
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #34 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 5:12pm » |
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I've posted this before when the war first started to another 'gentleman' but here I go again.
This is NOT the subject, nor the place for intellectual masturbation via scoring points in a political argument.
Here you tread on the raw feelings of people personally affected by this.
Suggest you go have this discussion in a pub over a pint.
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #35 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 5:23pm » |
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Hey Ken....
I equate your comments with the prick who is welcomed into the home of a lovely giving family (this CH family)....takes what he wants and needs, has a wonderful meal with them and then shits in their living room floor. You, sir, have just shown your ass.
Oh, by the way....you really do owe Ree an apology. You have been very insulting to one of the kindest most giving ladies around.
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #36 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 5:55pm » |
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I'd have to say that I never *want* to see innocent people die as a byproduct of war, but in 9/11, I saw all the innocent lives lost I could take. My family is from NYC, and fortunately, they survived the towers. However, my aunt's two best friends did not. And what did they leave behind? They each left behind their wives and several small children. They were brothers. They worked for Cantor Fitzgerald who lost all of their 700 employees on the day the towers were hit. Cantor Fitzgerald was located on the 101st through 105th floors of Tower 1 I believe. The older brother, Joe, called his wife shortly after the plane hit, and he told her that he would be home soon...as soon as he went down one floor and got Danny. He wouldn't leave without Danny. Neither brother was ever heard from again. And their funerals were held without their bodies ever being found or identified. Between them, 7 small innocent children were left behind and two grieving wives, as well as many close family and friends.
Do I want to see innocent people die in Afghanistan as a result of the War on Terrorism? Absolutely not. However, do I find the war necessary and defend our military's fight for it? Absolutely I do! I've seen the lives of families torn completely apart by 9/11, and things are never the same. It wasn't just one day. It is a lifetime of tragedy that will not heal.
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #37 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 6:44pm » |
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HEY LIZZIE 2, JACKS. EVERYONE~~~ THANKYOU FOR THE SUPPORT YOU HAVE ALWAYS SHOWN towards me... my boys and my family in and out of cycle... this is a spent thread... Im done with it... sorry I even let him get to me. Lizzie sorry about your friends When I hear stories like this one it makes me even prouder that my boys are in it for the long haul and God protect them... I dont know where this war will be going and it may take another decade. Not my idea though... this war I mean... Nor is this one on the board. So unless he pisses me off again... this is my last post... to this thread of course, ya cant get rid of me that easy... love to you all Ree
one last thought Dear Lord, bless and welcome the little souls of those children lost today and yesterday in that conflict in Afghanistan...I rest knowing they are in a better place~~~ alleluia! Amen
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #38 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 7:41pm » |
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Ken B, I will not acknowledge any of the cold and callous words that you have written in this thread..Nor, will I try to defend Ree or our son's rights to fight for our country..Doing so, only seems to fuel your fire.....Instead, I will pray for you tonite, my friend....Because sometimes that is the best thing we can do for someone that enjoys hurting others the way you seem to do.  nancyc
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #39 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 9:59pm » |
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 I HAD TO POST THIS PIC FRONT PAGE OF THE GLOBE TODAY... LOOK AT THE KIDS IN THE BACKGROUND SMILING............... AMEN... REE
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Re: Not good (Iraq Related)
« Reply #40 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 10:12pm » |
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Thomas . . . What exactly has the IRA got to do with this? You seem to be implying that because I'm Irish I automatically support them??
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Not in the habit of conversing with terrorists myself. After reading two pages of this thread, I can't help but notice that KenB
NEVER DENIED SUPPORTING TERRORISTS.
Just an observation from someone barely smarter than dumb.
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #41 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 10:47pm » |
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #42 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 10:51pm » |
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I WAS going to sit this one out...............really, but, as usual something got stirred in me and I now fell that I HAVE to say my piece.
(My apologies to Ree and Donna for even giving this air time)
Interesting how opinions get distorted during a hot debate ....no? Ken as a human being I respect your right to feel as you do about whatever you want, the only point I have on this is you must do the same if you expect to recieve the respect you seek.
Ree has/had several family members in harms way on more than one occasion and she is right (be they volunteers or not) ALL of our troops are someones children and if one of the dead HAPPENS to be one of yours then YES ABSOLUTELY it is more painfull than the death of a child/children we do not know. It is crass, to say otherwise.
I find it TOTALLY ironic that those with the strongest "anti-american" opinions are seemingly from countries that were equally guilty of being willing to let Saddam and Bin Ladden do whatever they please, without so much as raising a question to their activities. Please sir............answer this, What the fuck is/has or will Ireland do about these very same problems? Don't point fingers unless you are a participant.
On the IRA......( even though it IS a totally different subject), let us not forget that Ireland as well as Scotland have historically NEVER been politically stable. They began with clan wars before the middle ages and went to religous warring between protestants and catholics, to pretending that Britan is the cause of all the problems.......please, gimme a break.
I really do not want to appear to be "bashing" any particular group of people, I was raised on as much world culture my parents could muster, and I appreciate every country's contribution to the founding of modern day America.................its all good. But face it, the Celtic countries of Ireland and Scotland are traditioanly of the most violent and brutal in all of history.
Now finally to answer a couple of questions raised earlier in this thread. I believe the question was regarding the U.S. policy regarding mugabe, and sharon. The answer is not pretty and comes in two parts and tagged with another question.............
First, there is nothing in that part of Africa that the U.S. sees as strategically important.
Second, Mugabe and Sharon, are not specifically targeting the U.S. or americans, they are miscreants to say the least, but not a threat to national security at this point ( they are being watched closely, you can bet safely on that)
Lastly, LOGISTICS, it would be a logistical nightmare politically as well as mathematically. i.e. Vietnam, the Sudan, Korea. The U.S (so very not innocent of hatred and violence) has only ONCE engaged in war that was not in defense of another or our own, and technically even if the "evidence" has not been shown to "justify" our latest military action this one wasn't either. The 9-11 issue is partially moot in this particular case, the reactionary stance of the U.S. in its wake is more than justified ans should have very well been expected. The world should be thankfull that nukes didn't fly after the FIRST plane hit. The rest (Iraq) was a distraction to avert the American peoples attention. (example) Do you really believe that oil was the main focus of our invasion of Iraq? OR do you believe that it is just an attempt to finish a job Bush Sr. failed to complete? Or maybe it was a vain attempt to stimulate what WAS a growing economy? GET REAL. The government KNEW that the countries surrounding Iraq were in the terrorism business and they also knew that the best way to get to those countries and hopfully slow the influx of new terrorists or fleeing ones, was to control the very central country of Iraq. It was coincidence that Saddam was a colossal Pain in the ass and sheer genius to realize the strategic importance of Iraq itself. Its good battle tactics................get control of an easily defended central location and move outward. Napoleon and Hannibal, had the best military plans of all time and the basics still hold true today.
1. No food, no water, no success (Hannibal ,the father of modern logistics)
2. "Divide and Conquer"...........(Napoleon, he just had bad timing)
The answers are there folks, sad but true. Truth is stranger than fiction and can hurt real bad if its not what you wanna hear.
Again..........my apologies for even getting into this one. its tough being the King , just ask Jonny 
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #43 on: Dec 8th, 2003, 11:16pm » |
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Donna, also my apologies. And Ree, love ya girl.
GOaway, good point, I noticed that myself. Maybe we should add him to our list of people to off"....
One other point.. isn't freedom of speech an AMERICAN thing??
So KenB, if you are not AMERICAN, and you are not supporting Americans, then no one here cares to hear ANYTHING you have to say.
In case you didn't understand what the letters stood for, let me say it to you in plain ole' American english...
SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!! (sorry everybody else)
GOD BLESS AMERICA, our troops, their families, and ALL who have lost their lives ever as a result of any war.
Proud to be an AMERICAN.....Little Deb
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Re: Not good (War Related)
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Reading stuff like
"So KenB, if you are not AMERICAN, and you are not supporting Americans, then no one here cares to hear ANYTHING you have to say" 
Now that's telling all the non-Americans who visit this board!
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"But face it, the Celtic countries of Ireland and Scotland are traditioanly of the most violent and brutal in all of history" 
Southern Ireland is actually quite a comparatively peaceful country and MOST countries were pretty warlike in the centuries you are referring to! i.e. ancient history.
America's history is hardly peaceful! None of our country's are!
THINK WE ALL OUGHT TO GO TO THE PUB NOW!
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #45 on: Dec 9th, 2003, 4:57am » |
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Firstly - thanks to those who sent me private messages of support (I can see where you were coming from!)
Secondly - Apologies to anyone who feels I have offended them
Thirdly - If you want me to leave the board then I'm happy to do so
Fourthly (is there such a word?) - The main reason I started this post was to highlight some of the attitudes that have turned a lot of people against the current actions of the US and also (almost by default) those who support those actions (predominately Americans). There is a mob mentality currently prevelant in the US and it is reflected in the postings on this subject. Please try to be a little bit objective about this situation (ob·jec·tive "Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic.
Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal." )
And finally - just in case there is any doubt - I DO NOT SUPPORT TERRORISTS. The actions of the IRA make me sick - they always have and always will.
Thank you for your time.
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #46 on: Dec 9th, 2003, 5:45am » |
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Ken B,
1) You are not the only one who received private
messages of support yesterday.
2) I can only hope and pray that your apologies are
sincere.
3) I do not think that one incident should cause
someone to be ousted from this message board.
Fortunately, for you, the people who you offended
the most yesterday are also some of the most
loving, caring and forgiving individuals on the face
of this earth. I am sure that since you asked nicely
(and hopefully will promise not to continue this
thread) that all will be forgiven.
4) Freedom of Speech is one of they many things we
value as Americans. Asking for an objective
opinion is not unheard of around here. Some of us
thrive on controversy and enjoy the deep, analytical
discussions that take place on this message board.
Feel free to join in anytime. However, in the future,
if it becomes apparant to you that your post(s) are
causing pain, anguish or suffering to another
human being, please stop. That is what happened
here yesterday. I won't rehash all this with you, I
would just ask that you show some courtesy when
dealing with obviously sensitve issues. This is a
family...and yes, sometimes we do have a mob
mentality...but that is only because we already go
through so much suffering in our everyday lives.
When we see someone injured by the remarks of
another we rush to their defense. That is what
families do. We take care of each other.
Please, Please, Please let's let this post fade into the archives.
Now, that being said.
I am glad that my calling you Mr. Potato Head made you smile. Because, if it made you smile, then it accomplished exactly what I wanted it to. We really are nice folks around here. Oh, and I am glad that you do not support terrorists. If you look around you will find you are in the majority.
By the way, my name is Donna, and I am here because I have these really bad headaches....
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Re: Not good (War Related)
« Reply #47 on: Dec 9th, 2003, 7:15am » |
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It really is a horror that any kids are victims of war. They pay the biggest price. Sadly nothing changes but our ability to learn of instances like this. That‘s good you know.
Like other perceived crises, governments are delighted to have an excuse for some sloppy actions. It uses events like 9-11 as an excuse to do despicable things which are harder on its own citizens than what we call the enemy. Fear is handy and it's made room for some nasty behavior on our part, mostly towards you and me. It's not the first time and it's going to take a long time to repair.
One of our biggest mistakes is to put the emphasis on religion in Irish terrorism. It’s a political conflict now and London probably would be delighted to get rid of the Belfast bunch. They are the ones wanting to stay in the UK and England is stuck with them.
This whole thread is an excellent example of way we should hate war. Look what it stirs up here.
Be nicer kids.
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Re: Not good (War Related)
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To look at those faces mere babies themselves... fighting because they believe in their home and country...and respect the powers that be here. Heroes every last one of them... a tribute to them is a sad but great ending to a controversial thread...
ps Ken B. I have no animosity towards you and I know you mean no harm to my children. To each his own.
I pray for you as well as everyone on the board and wish for peace everyday, for everyone! ree
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