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Anyone wanna argue????
« on: Dec 17th, 2007, 12:43pm » |
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Just heard where the NJ Governor sign the death penalty OUT... and commuted all the death row inmates to life without parole....
Anyone wanna argue fer or agin??
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Re: Anyone wanna argue????
« Reply #1 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 12:47pm » |
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I'm against the death penalty. I think they should hire jonny to weld all of the death row inmates in their cells. Ya die in there Sorry bout yer luck.
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Re: Anyone wanna argue????
« Reply #2 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 12:58pm » |
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Depends on which is cheaper. Keeping them in prison for the rest of their lives? Or all the appeals before they assume room temperature?
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Re: Anyone wanna argue????
« Reply #3 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 1:21pm » |
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Re: Anyone wanna argue????
« Reply #4 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 1:31pm » |
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I'm FOR the Death Penalty...that's all I'll say.
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Re: Anyone wanna argue????
« Reply #5 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 1:34pm » |
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I used to be against it, but after knowing two victims (two nice little ladies in their 70s who never did a damn thing to anyone but be nice) who were brutally murdered - I changed my mind.
One murderer is in for life in OK (with probably a chance for parole someday).
The other one happened in my hometown of Gladewater. It took 2 trials (which he admitted he'd killed the woman both times) 2 convictions with the death penalty - 9 stays and 25 years before they FINALLY put him to sleep. But under the laws in Texas HAD they commuted his sentence (as the bleeding hearts were wont to do) he could have walked out of prison the day they did it.
The laws are on the side of the bad guys. And yes, sometimes there are mistakes made and an innocent gets convicted, and if I were sitting on a jury I'd have a tuff time handing out the death penalty, but some crimes warrant it I think.
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Re: Anyone wanna argue????
« Reply #6 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 2:19pm » |
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I'm against the death penalty.
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Re: Anyone wanna argue????
« Reply #7 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 2:22pm » |
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Do you like to see the USA in the same pot with
Afghanistan, Bahrain, Belarus (the last dictatorship in Europe), Bangladesh, Botswana, Burundi, Chad, Cuba, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Malaysia, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, People's Republic of China, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Thailand, Uganda, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, Yemen, Zimbabwe,
the other countries that still cling to this barbaric custom in the third millennium?
How about "Thou Shall Not Kill" ?
Congratulations to the NJ Governor, that's a hopeful start.
BTW, what about the alleged rapists, murdered by the state before a DNA test could prove their innocence?
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Re: Anyone wanna argue????
« Reply #8 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 2:23pm » |
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I'm against the death penalty, but I'm all for cruel and unusual punishment.
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 2:25pm » |
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Nope. Not gonna argue. I am not against all use of the death penalty. But I think that life in prison with no parole protects society as much as the death penalty. And it is up to the states to decide - if the people of Jersey feel strongly about it, they can take it up as an issue.
Most people that get the death penalty were not rational people when they committed their crime. So I don't see much of a deterent. Nothing the state can do will bring anyone back. The government can only approximate an appropriate punishment (loss of life or loss of liberty) and protect other people from the perp.
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Re: Anyone wanna argue????
« Reply #10 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 2:40pm » |
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on Dec 17th, 2007, 2:22pm, AlienSpaceGuy wrote:Do you like to see the USA in the same pot with
Afghanistan, Bahrain, Belarus (the last dictatorship in Europe), Bangladesh, Botswana, Burundi, Chad, Cuba, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Malaysia, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, People's Republic of China, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Thailand, Uganda, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, Yemen, Zimbabwe,
the other countries that still cling to this barbaric custom in the third millennium?
How about "Thou Shall Not Kill" ?
Congratulations to the NJ Governor, that's a hopeful start.
BTW, what about the alleged rapists, murdered by the state before a DNA test could prove their innocence?
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Looks like you've got it all figured out. If you or somebody who subscribes to this is willing to pay my share of taxes for keeping all these scumbags alive and living better than a whole shitload of throw-away kids, by all means step up to the plate. I'll be happy to denounce the death penalty.
The closer translation of the commandment is "Thou shalt not murder."
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Re: Anyone wanna argue????
« Reply #11 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 2:55pm » |
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Re: Anyone wanna argue????
« Reply #12 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 3:20pm » |
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So how many thousands of murderers and rapist have been wrongfully convicted? Also when looking for that how many have walked because of a clerical error in the warrant? 1 either way is to many but I for one have not been able to develope a better system. Should I pay to house them ... nope maybe there families should, abd if the loose all there appeals then there families should pay all court costs and attournies fees. Maybe they should also pay for the law enforcement man hours from start to finish and all equipment used? Most of these hardened felons may have a problem with that because it would be undue stress on there families ... like them chopping up a body or killing and raping a child was due stress?
Maybe the victims and there families should have a say in it too, maybe they would feel better to hand out justice themselves. How many murders have we witnessed here? how many bodies have we recovered? I refuse to see the felon as a victim.
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Re: Anyone wanna argue????
« Reply #13 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 3:33pm » |
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I wish I knew the answer.
There's no way to know if the death penalty works. From all appearances it appears that evil still finds a way to lurk and destroy and extend its tentacles whether we off a few of the worst perpetrators or not.
So many horrible crimes it seems this year. Another one from our area last night:
http://www.charlotte.com/109/story/409016.html
Senseless, brutal and horrible in its cold blooded-ness.
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« Reply #14 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 3:43pm » |
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BTW, what about the alleged rapists, murdered by the state before a DNA test could prove their innocence?
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Rapists don't get the death penalty in the U.S.
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Re: Anyone wanna argue????
« Reply #15 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 4:11pm » |
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ummm... I like the tagline that Potter has
"kill 'em all and let God sort them out."
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Re: Anyone wanna argue????
« Reply #16 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 4:22pm » |
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Ueli
It usually takes years to get to the point that the death penalty is carried out. Plenty of time for all the evidence to be looked at.
Interesting link for above N.J. choice
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/17/death.penalty/index.html?eref=rss _topstories
If they don't kill them, I would look on it as free labor (or close to free). Ya wanna eat, you work. If ya don't wanna work, ya don't eat. If you try to escaped, they have the right to shoot you (as many times as they feel necessary). No TV, no weight equipment (if you want to lift weights when you get back, you didn't work hard enough). You can have books to read. And no pictures of women in bikinis...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317100,00.html
Strangely enough, this happened in N.J, also.
This would be for people that got life. People that received less of a sentence get to work on road gangs.
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« Reply #17 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 5:02pm » |
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on Dec 17th, 2007, 4:11pm, artonio7 wrote:ummm... I like the tagline that Potter has
"kill 'em all and let God sort them out."
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Same feelings now cept'n I want it slow.
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on Dec 17th, 2007, 5:02pm, vietvet2tours wrote:
Same feelings now cept'n I want it slow.
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« Reply #19 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 6:41pm » |
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on Dec 17th, 2007, 6:07pm, chewy wrote:
No just welded in their cell.
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« Reply #20 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 6:59pm » |
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Currently there are 390 inmates on death row in the U.S.
Jonny, if he took the job of welding them in their cell....would be one very busy S.O.B.
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« Reply #22 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 7:39pm » |
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Great. Whatever I googled Tony is lost. I didn't save it, but it clearly said 390. I do believe yours is a more accurate figure however.
The fact still remains though. Jonny would be one busy person.
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Re: Anyone wanna argue????
« Reply #23 on: Dec 17th, 2007, 8:02pm » |
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According to the Bureau of Justice, there are 3,228 on death row.
Jonny and I could split that number and that would be 1614 for each of us (I can TOO weld, and it doesn't have to be pretty anyway). I'm sure there are a few more people on here who would be amenable to lending a hand.
As far as free labor, where would they work? I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want murderers and rapists working outside of the prison. Plus the cost to guard those prisoners would be astronimical.
Oh hell, if someone breaks in my house, we dont' have to worry about a trial anyway. I'll just introduce them to my good buddies, Smith and Wesson.
While the death penalty may not act as a deterrent to some, at least the sob that died won't think about doing it again.
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